Nvidia 9500M GS vs. ATI Radeon HD3650 Mobility

Okay, seems that the m50 series comes with 2 diffrent gpus...one is the 55nm HD3650 and the other one is the 65nm based 9500M.

The thing is, which one to choose? best performance contra least amount of power used.

Gathered some specs from around the web trying to figure out an answer, and since i have found no tests of the HD 3650 mobility card, its really not easy to find out, which is why i ask the enligthened people here on this forum. Im sure im not the only one who would like both a performance, and a battery life time test of these 2.

GeForce 9500M GS (according to wikipedia)

65nm Technology.
32 Stream Processors.
475 MHz core clock.
950 MHz shader clock.
700 MHz memory clock.
Up to 512 MiB memory.
128-bit memory interface.
22.4 GB/s memory bandwidth.
7.6 billion texels/s texture fill rate.

ATI Radeon HD3650 Mobility

Been kinda hard to find some reliable info here, but several sites seems to suggest this:

55nm technology.
120 Stream Processors.
378 million transistors
128-bit DDR2/GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
Native PCI Express 2.0 x16 bus interface
everything else, i have no idea...noone feels like listing the other specs for the mobility version...in fact, its hard to find anything about it at all...



So, which laptop to choose...basically its an nvidia vs ati thing isnt it?

ATI seems to have spent alot of resources on power management and low power consumption...might this help the otherwise so power-hungering monster aka. M50/51/F8 series?


i dont have an answer...was hoping someone here would be able to tell

 

Seeing that the 3650 is like the HD2600, I would say that it is comparable to at least a 9300GS (basically an 8400M GS) and probably close to a 9500M GS (basically an 8600M GT). I don't know what the clockspeeds are for this card, but I know that the HD2600 XT comes out at just under an 8600M GT.

-J.B.

 

I think the HD2600XT is ABOVE the 8600gt. The HD 2600 was slightly below but ot by much. The HD2400 was the 8400/9300gs contender. I'd expect the HD3650 to be competitive with the 9500, probably a bit higher of a performer. The hitch to both cards is 128-bit memory when cards like the 8800 are doing 256-bit. Radeon needs a mobile 3870 wit 256-bit to really compete at the high end. The 2600xt was their best card last generation and it was only really used in the HP pavilion HDX.

It will be interesting to see what laptops the HD3650 finds its way into.

 

As the 8600m GT is below the desktop 8600 GT and and the desktop HD 2600 XT is above it, HD 2600 XT is better than 8600m GT. The Desktop HD 3650 is not quite as good as HD 2600 XT, but quite a bit cheaper.

So yeah. It should be the same level or faster than mobility HD 2600. Hence, the preliminary assesment is HD 3650≈9500 GS, the same way HD 2600≈8600m GT.

 

www.notebookcheck.net

That should give you a rough estimate of all the mobile GPUs performance as well as CPU performance!

BTW what laptop model currently has the 3650 in it? I havent seen it yet.

 

It's in some asus models. I was offered a F8 with 3650 (at least I think it was a F8) as a replacement, but I had to pay extra, and I didn't wanna do that.

 

Both look like just a die shrink of the 8600GT and HD2600 respectively. I would personally wait for the 9600GT or HD4600 to come out this summer which will provide a much larger boost in performance.

But in this case we can't know for sure because it all depends on the clocks of the HD3650. If you can't wait I would go with the 3650 because it is DX10.1 (while the 9500gs is not) and it has a smaller manufacturing process (runs cooler/lower power consumption).

 

ASUS M50SA has it

the thing is, ati really seems to have spent alot of effort on the power consumption side, where 9500m gs is a powerhungry beast...

 

I have my hopes up for AMDs 3000-series, because so far nvidias 9'th series is nothing but a disappointment. I mean, rebranding old cards cmon.
Weak!

 

is Asus offering the ATI Radeon 3650 in the US yet? I haven't been able to find any asus notebooks offering the 3650 in the US

 

its coming very soon =) i noticed it in europe, just not in stock yet, they expect it will take 1-2 weeks for it to arrive

 

cool, I prefer ATI to Nvidia...but thats just my opinion

 

ATIs doing the same thing, actually. Except DX10.1 support. But as Nvidia pretty much controls the developements, it probably won't be used much

 

ati actually did more they shrunk it, changed from 90nm to 55nm and added some extra **** along with some fancy power management etc...

 

The M50Sa doesn't seem to have a DVI-D output, just an "old" VGA connector. The M51Se seems to be a similar notebook, but it does have a DVI-D connector. With HD3650 graphics on board, I would have expected a HDMI output, since ATI is excellent for TV output. I hope a DVI-D > HDMI connector is available that will also give audio over HDMI. This is possible with ATI on certain models.

By the way, I have never seen a company that makes such a mess of their product line. There must be dozens, if not hundreds of models and sub-models in their notebook line, not counting cpu type and memory. Just one example: I have their March & April 2008 Asusworld catalog. On page 55 they have a list of some 55 notebook models, not including the sub-models. The M50s and M51s are only listed as main models, sub-models like M50Sa or M51Se are not listed at all. To add to the confusion, the M50s line is listed as having Nvidia graphics, and the M51s line is listed as having ATI graphics. And so there are M50s models with ATI, and M51s models with Nvidia graphics.

Now try to find the notebook you want from this confused mess.

 

The 2K are 65nms

 

aha, my bad =)

 

for a very nice asus with ATI mobility HD 3650;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220307

and for an identical spec -1GB of RAM +Nvidia 9500GS;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220279

BOTH! at the same price of $1299.99+Shipping... which is 2 dollars more for the ATI equipped model.

I am eyeballing these and have been wondering the same thing you guy s have, ie. which of these bastards is a better card. The more I read, the more I think the HD is going to be better than the 9500. They are both 128 bit cards, but the ATI has a GB of dedicated memory and an extra useless GB of RAM (32-bit limitation)(unless someone know whether or not that ram gets used anyway even though its not actually detected by windows?)

Ever since my girlfriend threw my last $1600 laptop off of a bridge into the river, I have been without portable computing goodness and would like to rectify this situation ASAP, though the question of bang for buck is nagging at me. Hopefully we will see some benchmarks on these soon.

 

I would imagine the 3650 would be on par with the HD2600, maybe a little quicker. In my opinion the difference is only going to be a couple of fps between the cards, nevermind the 3DMark scores, those are just for bragging rights.

It just comes to preference. And you do get that extra gig of RAM in the ATI model, which if you've got access to Vista x64 would be fine.

They both have HDMI ports which intrigues me. Although it doesn't say how much they weigh but they look like a larger F8 series, so they shouldn't be too much heavier.

 

LOL... well you could get 64bit versions of OS to use the extra RAM.

Sorry, I had to laugh when I read what happened to your lappy. So is she still your girlfriend? What's the story? LOL

 

also, the Nvidia one has a WXGA+ screen ( 1440x900 ), versus the WXGA ( 1280x800 ) on the ATi one. personally, I'd take the extra resolution over 1gb of RAM. the cards should perform very similarly anyways

 

Yea, the HD3650 appears to have better specs but until someone does an actual comparison we will never know. I really want ATI to do well because of how much they were getting owned before.

lol. Sorry to hear that. So yea, what's the story?

 

That just proves that GF 9850GTX beats any card, hands down.

 

How does the HD 3650 have better specs? Both the 9500M GS and HD 3650 are very similar in specs with the Geforce actually being superior at some area's. If you are refering better in regards to the video RAM then the 1GB of VRAM as oppose to 512MB of VRAM doesn't nesseserally mean it is better. I would though conclude that the HD 3650's compatibility with Directx10.1 and addition of shader model 4.1 is a superior advantage, however that is also a dependent on whether Directx10.1 will be a widespread use whitin the context of future GPU's and applications which might benefit from it. But none the less, if I hadn't rushed into purchasing my notebook a few weeks ago I would have gone with the HD 3650 instead of my present 9500M GS. :/

 

not me if the things are even close I like the nvidia

 

Having used a laptop with a Radeon card for 2 years prior to my present purchase of one with a Nvidia GPU, I can concur that the driver support for Geforce cards are easier and better at least when it comes to Vista. It was a hassle updating drivers for my Radeon Mobility card under Vista and I rarely noticed any significant changes or performance improvements with the specific display driver updates.

 

I hope you are also without that girlfriend as well!

 

I've made a very few tests on the HD3650 here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=237020

Compared to the PC I compared it with (M50SV with NV 9500GS) I got slightly higher 3DMark scores on HD3650.

 

check newegg

 

check sony's vaio laptops, some of the fw series models have the ATI radeon mobility hd3650 GPUs

 

You have to specify what type of memory it uses. If one uses GDDR3 while the other uses DDR2 then picking the GDDR3 is a no-brainer. If they both use the same then it depends on which games you want to play as nVidia and ATI each have their respective games that play better on a certain card.

 

GG reviving dead thread ><