Pic Request (Counter-Strike: Source)

Hey guys,

Could I request a pic from guys who have a w3v/z70v(a) a screenshot of them playing CS:S on a gpu intensive map? (Maybe de_aztec?)

Thanks for the help guys.

 

What do you think you can gather from such a picture i have yet to discover, But here is something close

 

LOL I meant Screenshot

If you press f5 during gameplay you can take a pic of the current thing you're looking/shooting at. I guess I should've been clearer

Oh yeah... show_fps 1 I think is the command that shows the fps the game is playing.

Cool pic g2p ^_^ Thanks.

 

You dont think a 3dmark03/05 scores are enough? Along with the screen shot you will also need to ask for
1. graphic settings
2. driver used
3. any overclocking
poing is getting a screen shot with an fps stamp on it is the most innacurate way to find out the gaming power of a laptop. 3dmark scores are the right way to go about your research

 

Ah. Thanks for the info Eddie.

I guess I want to see textures and such. Right now I'm playing Counter-Strike: Source on my desktop (9800 Pro) and it looks pretty darn good. I guess I just wanted to make a comparision.

To tell you the truth, I'm leaning on getting a w3v. I've thought long and hard about possibly getting a z70va but I figure the form factor of the w3v would better suit a student such as me. (I currently own a Toshiba A70, 15.4" screen.. and it's huge but I like the sturdiness of the machine... it's pretty well-built)

Also, I do some casual gaming but the games that interest me are CS:S, BF2 and the like and I figure the x600 with the PCI-e would last me at least 3-4 years down the road. I figure the x600 is at least as fast as my 9800pro and the w3v's looks aren't bad either.

I'll enclose a screenshot I made. I want to know if the x600's graphics capabilities (eye candy) can surpass what I have on my desktop ^_^

 

an x600 is like a desktop 9600pro at best... the x700 is more like a desktop 9800 XT (and faster in some ways)... so rest assured, the z70va will blow away your desktop, so you don't have to question its performance. if you're serious about the w3v, that's that PC you should be questioning in terms of 3D acceleration performance.

 

I didn't know that. x600 is just on par with a 9600... (well I guess the '600 gave it away )

 

I could have sworn that the x600 was more like a desktop Radeon 9700? Maybe I'm just dreaming...

 

well if we compare apples with apples (i.e. radeon's with radeon's) in 3dmark05 (which is fairly safe since the architectures are similar) we get the following scores:

W3V X600 ~1000
Desktop 9600 Pro ~1800
Desktop 9800 Pro ~2500
Z70va x700 ~2600-3000 (depending on if you leave it underclocked or not -- yes it is underclocked... the Samsung memory, for instance, is DDR 700 and it's running at 600 stock -- even worse underclock with 6600go in z71v)
Desktop 9800XT ~3000

Now the x600 and x700 are DirectX 9.0b vs. Radeon 9600/9800 DirectX 9.0 (nVidia Geforce6 series is DirectX 9.0c) so it is conceivable that the x600 could close a bit of the gap with the desktop 9600/9800 (of courese the x700 would get just as much of a benifit if not a larger improvement, pulling away from the x600) under certain conditions, but that's still not gonna make up for the relative lollygagging of the x600...

In conclusion, I'll reiterate my former opinion that if you get a z70va, you won't be disapointed with 3D performance; I can't say the same about the w3v (great machine, but certainly doesn't contend with the 9800 pro in 3D accelerated performance)

 

Wow. Thanks alot flaxx, this gives a pretty awesome comparision chart of the mobility radeons' performance in respect to their desktop equivalents.

I might settle for a "temporary" notebook for awhile. maybe a z63a... as I would love to get the form factor of the w3v.

 

well an all or nothing approach is probably smart... if you go with a z63a you will gain battery longevity, thus drastically improving portability, and the money you'll save can get you a better desktop card (especially if you sell your 9800 pro)... perhaps even a 7800 gtx, which will kill everything but the 7800 gtx go (its brother and an entirely different realm of laptop$ )

 

LOL I love how you put it in "laptop$" hehehe..

Btw, are there any laptops with an x800 mobility radeon graphics card?

 

There are a couple of Sager's with x800, go6800's and now go7800's! www.sagernotebook.com

Though the 3dmark05 scores flaxx has posted are a good indication of the gaming potential, the x600 in the W3v is actually quite a good card. You have to remember that the x600 in the W3v is only 64mb, hypermemory does not have much effect on 3dmark05. The 9600 Pro card it is being compared to would have either 128mb or 256mb dedicated memory, which will drastically improve 3dmark scores.

From what I have read, the x600 is comparable to the desktop 9700 for frame rates, but in the W3v you will have to turn down the eye candy because of the limited 64mb dedicated memory.

Hope that helps,
Steve

 

Hmm.. Why wouldn't the hypermemory make a difference? Is there something wrong with the 3dmark program not recognizing the drivers for the hypermemory?

 

hypermemory is simply a way for video cards with a small amount of memory to be compatible with applications that require videocards with large amounts of video memory to correctly run. don't listen to what anyone else has to say about it being faster, that's all garbage. The reason you have local memory on your videocard is to cache textures and vertex information stored in RAM or your hard drive. If you go and make a virtual memory on your RAM, then it's obviously not going to be faster than... YOUR RAM. So conceivably, you could actually lose performance (although the drivers seem to prevent this) if a program requested a certain location of memory (let's say the address cooresponding to 0x00500000 with 32 bit addressing of 128bit word memory = the location of the 80mb point of vram which would be in hypermemory a.k.a. RAM rather than the much faster VRAM). Another way it could slow you down is if you get a complex application that detects the amount of VRAM free, it may adjust itself to load more textures AND RENDER them, again slowing your frame rate down rather than loading fewer textures or having fixed "load spots" such as Half life 2.

So it's really no surprise to me that you gain no performance. It's the same as if I say "hey guys, i'm gonna give you hyper-ram, all you need to do is increase your page-file on your hard drive". Is that the same as buying more RAM? No! Will it allow you to run more applications simultaneously? Sure. Will your performance increase in say a single process like a game (the reason i mention a single process is that virtual memory and paging allows for multi-programming and thus increasing CPU utilization and throughput , but this would not apply on the graphics side when you're playing a game)? ABSOLUTLY NOT!

 

X600 will play any game out with mederation in mind. The x700 is almost twice as fast though i will warn not to overclock. 10% is max for overclocking
Benchmarks z70va:
Base clock (rounded core/ram): 350/300
3dmark-03 @5731
3dmark-05 @2405

Overclocking @ 7%:
3dMark03 @ 6101
3dMark05 @ 2579

You have not seen much on overclocking becuase it really cant take too much and keep stable. You can start to see anomalies at just 10%. Its a monster of a mobile card and both being very similar in weight ...... In short the w3v is smaler but is not a heck of alot lighter, you are talking about maybe .5 lbs

 

the x600 can handle most of today's games at medium settings all around and will probably be able to handle future games at low-medium settings at lower resolutions. like flaxx said hypermemory wont help much with game play, more ram will help but to a limited degree. the only benefit of hypermemory i can see is maybe with 3d modeling and stuff if that. the x700 will handle today's games at high settings (except doom3, and lets face it not many cards out there can handle doom3 at max) and will probably handle most of tomorrow's games pretty well.

and like g2p said, overclocking a laptop card is pretty much suicide.