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    SDHC for ASUS notebooks?

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by ubercool, Dec 21, 2006.

  1. ubercool

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    Here's a question I have about the SD reader, will it accept SD-HC? I see that you can now already get an 8GB one for $150! :eek:

    It would be great to put one of these cards in the SD slot and have 10GB of RAM for Vista, that would be boss, man! :) :D :cool:
     
  2. PROPortable

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    I doubt it.... same shape and size, but San Disk is saying you'll need a special new reader...

    Plus, it's wouldn't be used like ram...
     
  3. ubercool

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    Only USB drives can be used for RAM?
     
  4. coriolis

    coriolis Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Only DDR SoDimm RAM sticks can be used for RAM, USB Drives and SD have been only used and can only be used as storage as far as I know.
     
  5. Sw00p

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    windows vista will be / is able to use flash memory (for example an usb-stick) as an editional cache. Its supposed to speed up the start up of the computer (and maybe some other things ^^ )
     
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    I'm familiar with this, but it's for additional cache, which often is stored on the hard drive..... the flash drive is faster... but it's not extra ram..... a 10gb SD card will not give you the benefits of 10gb of ram... or replace it, etc.

    As for the graphics card comparison.. that's a nice sheet... as you can see though, there are some difference between 3D Mark 05 and 06....

    In 05:
    x1600 (score: 3500) was better than the 7600 (score: 3400)
    X1700 (score: 4200) is the same as the 7700 (score: 4200)

    In 06:
    x1600 (score: 1800) was lower than the 7600 (score: 1900)
    X1700 (score: 1850) is the same as the 7700 (score: 2700)

    I forget off the top of my head what 06 added or changed, but the oddest thing is that between the two the x1600 and 7600 swap spots and the x1700 and 7700 go from virtual equal to the 7700 coming up with over a 30% point boost over the x1700.... and it's not THAT much better than the x1700...

    Never the less, good reading and good find.
     
  7. Donald@Paladin44

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    As has already been stated Vista will only use cache memory to speed it up, so thinking that storage memory will help is incorrect.

    To learn about the various SD cards you can go to: http://www.sdcard.org/sd_memorycard/index.html

    From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SD_and_SDHC_-_compatibility
    SD and SDHC - compatibility

    A new SD format, SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity), allows capacities in excess of 2GB (4GB to 32GB)[1]. SDHC uses the same form factor as SD, but the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing[2]).

    The following compatibility issues between SD and SDHC cards and devices can arise:

    * Devices that do not specifically support SD2.0/SDHC do not recognize SDHC memory cards.
    * Some manufacturers have produced 4GB SD cards that do not conform to the SD2.0/SDHC, which are incompatible with existing SD devices, and are also incompatible with SDHC devices.

    As of late 2006, the simultaneous availability of non-standard 4GB SD and 4GB SDHC cards, and the incompatibilities between SD and SDHC have caused a great deal of confusion among consumers looking to buy memory for various devices.

    4GB SDHC cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices. The SDHC logo is supposed to ensure compatibility.

    SDHC readers are supposed to be backwards compatible with SD cards.

    SDHC cards have SD Speed Class Ratings defined by the SD Association. The SD Speed Class Ratings specify the following minimum sustained write speed for SDHC cards:

    * Class 2: 2 MB/s
    * Class 4: 4 MB/s
    * Class 6: 6 MB/s
     
  8. ubercool

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    Thanks for the data on the SD format, it's good stuff to know. :p

    My sense is that Vista SP1 will add support for Vista caching to SD, MS, etc. At the capacities being offered today, it would be foolish not to support an 8GB HC-SD card. It certainly would make Vista fly having that much memory cache available. :cool:
     
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    Ok, so I wrote the SD Association to get the final answer whether the V1/V2 series, or any other laptop using the SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller, could handle SDHC.

    The answer is:
    "Yes. The SD Host Controller based on the SDA Standard can handle both for
    SD and SDHC Memory Cards if the driver is available. I am expecting Microsoft
    provides the SDHC driver soon.

    Hiroyuki Sakamoto
    Co-chair, Technical Committee, SD Card Association"
     
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    Donald, you dah boss! :) :) :D
     
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    Made a new thread for it as it was quite off topic, but Donald, thanks for the interesting info!
     
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    Coriolis, I was wondering! ;) Great idea! :cool:
     
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    I own an Asus z70va. Is the built-in card reader SDHC compatible? Do new drivers need to be downloaded first? Thanks.