Seeking V6va w. IPS- Resellers are mum

I'm striking out so far with resellers when asking if their screens have IPS. They all plead ignorance, either in not knowing the technology or claiming they don't open the boxes, so they can't be certain.

I assume that all North American stock is the same at this point, but I'm not positive there hasn't been another shipment of non-IPS panels.

Can anyone shed some definitive light on this?

Many Thanks!

 

.... Everyone you've talked to must not know what they're talking about then... and it also probably means you haven't called us.... because that is the most IMPORTANT option on that model and it's inexcusable not to know what's going on.

Most companies don't stock a single ensemble unit..... so that's the real reason they don't have a clue. Having you open one unit to verify and then comparing and decoding the model number on the other boxes is actually all they need to do........

I can't speak for anyone else, but we still have a handful of them with the IPS screens and as I've said before, once we run out of those, we simply wouldn't carry that model.

 

That would be me. I dont know what i am talking about when it comes to the v6va. Not my forte but i ll admit it with a clear mind. If you need the scoop on whitebooks then that is my forte. Thanks J can always count on you to sucker punch me. The poster above hung up in a hurry before i can even tell him your name by the way. Apparantly my truthfull answer was ignorant. Ooh well

 

... haha... sorry, but I've got to stick by what I said - but consider it toned down out of respect.......

... don't you just hate when people hang up on you when you're trying to help them out?

 

SO if i order a v6va from anywhere but proportable i'd be taking a gamble on the screen id get?

Whats the quality of the screen thats not IPS???

 

You can look at it that way if you want, but apparently I'm the only one who will guarentee we have the IPS screens - and at the same time know what they are and why they're so good........... We've had them for two months and anyone who doesn't know what the deal is honestly doesn't deserve to sell them.

 

Thats kinda harsh justin dont you think? i mean not everyone knows everything about every product they carry. And asus didnt do a good job of advertising what the IPS screen is.

 

Doesn't the IPS screen use more battery?

 

Asus might not do a good job of "advertising" but, if someone wants to buy something from someone who doesn't have a clue... that's their deal.... That's truely part of "service" and if you don't know what you're selling, then I think that's rather pathetic.

... I don't get one other companies very much as I think a lot of things just speak for themselves.... eventhough I guess this one does too...... It's one time that I feel this is one of those things we have up on anyone else. I'm am and have been promoting the IPS screen and frankly there isn't a soul who would have even heard of it if I didn't make it clear that the first batch that was imported had them and that it was this screen sent from above....

So... harsh... no. You're right though, no everyone needs to know everything about what they sell........... but then there are people who know everything about what they sell and they sell it for a reason........ in the end, that's what I started this company on so many years ago and it's what we pride ourselves on..... so I guess when I will guarentee it and other people will sit there and scratch their head.... If that's not the start of something bad, I don't know what is.

 

Actually - one thing that is almost unbelievable is that all glaretype displays are actually better on battery life than mattetype. I got the low down two years when Asus and Fujitsu first developed this IPS screen that was in the L5ga..... I forget exactly how it works, but the battery life is greater because of the type or backlight, or location of the backlight..... Basicly they're able to get more brightness with the same power somehow........

... I don't think it's a ton of life, but these do use less power.

 

I would think not... I think it has more to do with how the screen is made (physically) , rather than how it projects/produces an image - kind of like glossy vs matte... the difference is a coating, perhaps?

 

I agree with you Justin. Anything i sell i know in and out. And if i dont i wont sell it. If someone has a question i dont know i make sure i find out. Honestly its rare that even when i buy something i dont know more than the salesmen. Especially car salesmen i swear all they know is what is on the window sticker.

 

Exactly... I don't want to sound like a jerk... but that's what we do and it really IS why I started this company. But at the same time, I'm like you... no matter what it is, I usually know more about something I'm going to buy than any salesman could be. But that's why we're here.

... what most people find when they call us is they find us giving them more information than they may be asking for.... If we don't know it inside and out... it would be embarrasing to have a customer who just heard of the product yesterday to call your place and tell you something you didn't know about it and yet you've dedicated this millenium so far to it...

 

I read it at wikipedia a while ago and found it again:

In-Plane Switching (IPS)
In-plane switching is an LCD technology which aligns the liquid crystal cells in a horizontal direction. In this method, the electrical field is applied through each end of the crystal, but this requires the need for two transistors for each pixel instead of the one needed for a standard thin-film transistor (TFT) display. This results in blocking more transmission area requiring brighter backlights, which consume more power making this type of display undesirable for notebook computers.

Not to say their right or your right, that's just what I read.

 

I don't think wikipedia is giving you the whole picture... I think IPS screens are supposed to be faster than TFTs, giving you better response times, which is good for gaming and anything else with fast motion

 

That applies to Justing himself as well. Thats why there is no can of worms. We really dont know it all but we pretend.

 

IN-PLANE SWITCHING

One solution to the LCD viewing angle problem is called in-plane switching, or IPS. In an unswitched

liquid crystal cell in an IPS device, all the molecules and both substrates' alignment preparations are oriented horizontally--parallel to one another--rather than being twisted.

Both switching electrodes are mounted on the output substrate in the same plane. When the electrodes are stimulated with switching signals, all the liquid crystal molecules in the cell rotate up to 90 degrees, always remaining parallel with each other and the two substrate surfaces.

Thus, the fully switched condition rotates all molecules to the vertical orientation, while in the fully unswitched state, they are all in the horizontal orientation. This eliminates the problem of the light-angle restriction that is found in the twisted nematic cell, greatly increasing the viewing angle of the display to about 140 degrees in all directions.

This is not, of course, a perfect world, and there are some tradeoffs for this widened viewing angle. The presence of two switching transistors rather than one on the output substrate obscures more of the substrate's surface, requiring stronger backlighting to achieve a good level of brightness.

This makes IPS displays inappropriate for battery operation, but acceptable for mains-powered devices.

Because molecules in an IPS display cell must be switched through the full rotational angle rather than the reduced switching angle, IPS crystal switching speeds are inherently slower than those of TN crystals. This problem is being addressed in various ways by interested developers and manufacturers. It is thought by the industry that the problems of IPS display devices are minor with respect to the potential of these devices
http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Tech-Corner/Features_RandyHoffner.shtml

 

You know the original screen on the v6v. I thought that one was of very good quality and I ant see anything better or worse on the v6va though i really dont analyze it that much and i dont have the older v6v to compare to now. Whats the big deal? Is this really a determine factor?

 

Eddie - there is a certain point where I stop playing games..... and when it comes to knowing what we sell, I think there is anything funny about it......... but don't speak for me or my company when you want to say "you pretend to know a lot".

... I hope you're joking, but you should know by now that a lot of people who read these posts don't have a sense of humor....

 

... the screen is about $200 more expensive and if you can't see the difference, get a new set of eyes..... the V6v had the screen that was in the M6n........... the V6va has the screen that was in the L5ga........ there is a WORLD of difference.

1. color reproduction
2. brightness/contrast levels are WAY up
3. viewing angles......... to be conservative I'd say 170 degrees on the horizontal and 150 degrees on the vertical..... again I'm being conservative becasue I don't want someone to measure them and find I'm claiming a degree more than it really has, but it's basically like looking at a high quality, flat panel CRT.........

The V6v's screen was very good in my opinion for what it was...... it was on a super thin system and at the time it was the thinnest panel they could get and that played a HUGE part in the lower viewing angles........ Now this panel is actually thinner than what was on the L5ga, but it's got the same quality. You don't even need to see them side by side to see the difference, but when the V6v's screen was ho-hum and certainly not as "good" as the z70va....... compare a V6va to a Z70va now....... it'll blow your mind.

 

IPS screens have been around for 5-6 years at least in the LCD community, but you won't find any decent information on them for laptop displays because Asus and Fujitsu hold the patent on this particular display in a laptop.........

What SRD quoted above is try, or at least it was. Anyone with a V6va can comment on their battery life, but I think you'll be surpised at how close it is to the V6v...... and not only are you talking a change in screens..... but also the upgrade to the 128mb x700 as well.....

 

I Was just stating what i read. Technology changes so quick im sure they have made advancements. Dont be so hard on eddie about the pretending to know everything thing noone does know everything. But personaly the screen to me is very important on a notebook. Thats why it was so hard to find a notebook i liked and returned serveral. I can spot the differences in displays better than most i even think the w3v display is subpar. Not saying its a cheap display just a limit of that tech for that size. Although i really will never understand why all the different size LCDS have such different viewing angles ill have to look it up one day i guess.

 

Ok i ll get you a pair of pliers to remove the thick rod lodged in your rear. I didnt say i pretend to know alot. I said WE pretend to know it better then the average joe by law of relativity and heresay not from personal experience. You and I do it on a daily basis. If you dont why do i see you participate in threads you know "less" about... Just like me here. WHy am i here if i know isht about ips? I cant even relate to it. So i cant even pretend here. So i am moving on.......

 

Um....... oook. I may not know how to fix everything and I'd never pretend about that....... that's why I've hired dedicated techs who know nothing else BUT how to fix things......... but when it comes to hardware, I don't waste the posting time if I don't know what I'm talking about...... but I gotcha none the less......... it was a joke..... I know it's Friday, but I just wasn't in the mood this morning and you know how you read things as you want to hear them... so sorry about that.

SRD - I know what you're saying..... like the W3 does have a great display for it's size..... there really isn't anything better.... but when you're comparing it to the Z70va or the W2v or the V6va....... it might be the last one you pick...... it really is kind of weird, but these four notebooks have basically the best displays of their kind... but they are still all different.

Now..... the W2 has a great screen, but some have said it's not as bright as their W3..... or whatever...... With the V6va.... you have to remember you're talking about a 15.1" regular ratio SXGA+ screen........ Other than this model, basically the BEST 15.1" SXGA+ screen that was out there was really on the M6n/ne.. and the V6v...... There was a limit in the technology to the point where any high-res regular ratio screen would have horrible vertical viewing angles..... Not that it's totally important, but it was a physical limitation. Now, with the V6va........ to have BETTER viewing angles than say the W2v or the Z70va is a HUGE accomplishment by itself.

 

The z70va screen on paper looks like crap in real life it looks way better. The w3v screen is great but like my self i bet you had more returns for it due to the customer not liking the screen then i would like. Someone down the line is going to look at the ips screen one day and offer their constructive criticism and return it.... There is not such thing as a perfect laptop but there are many perfect people who expect a perfect laptop. Thats why i maintain that many user reviewes are extremely unrealiable in particular any of them that have to do with heat and noise. When i review something i dont just write my own oppinion. I ll ask coworkers friends and any bystanders about what they think and most of the time their view is the same as mine. I had a point but now i just sound like a broken record.

 

Actually, I looked this up a couple weeks ago for some reason........ There was only one return of an notebook last year due to the screen. That was in the spring and it was a V6v. I understood it, but they didn't realize for that size, ratio and resolution, it was simply they best you could get.

I know what you mean and yes...... there will always be someone who doesn't like something and have a **** good reason for it. With this IPS screen, basically it's the only updated ACEview screen that we've had in over a year. With it's original limited production back then, it was impossible to get it into enough people's hands to actually make a difference..... and with only 50 available back then, only 1 may have gone to a reviewer...... The screen got the most cred back at CeBit in 03 I think.... they flagged the screen as "the next big thing in glaretype displays".........

.... I've publicly said the V6va's IPS screen is the first one that I'd basically guarentee it's the best screen anyone has seen...... That says a lot and it also puts me in a bad position if I'm wrong...... but it takes a LOT for me to seemingly be dumb enough to put myself into that position willingly....

 

I think heat an noise are a concern. I even dont think they were exaderating it with the w3v. But you have to take into view one some people are more sensitive to that thing or just care more. But most importantly the competition. The w3v is hot but no more so than say a sony s series. The screen vertical viewing was limited but not more so than a dv1000 from HP. so you have to concider everything. The only thing i can really say about the w3v is its a great a machine.BUt the HD temp really should be lower yeah maybe a HD can maintain a 55C temp but it really shouldnt have to that is putting wear on it heat is not a good thing. There is only one notebook im beein impressed with when it comes to size and heat the Fujistsu s series 13in. That thing is powerful without a gpu of course but it stays super cool even with a 2.0 Pentium mobile. and its super light. but anyways done rambling.

 

.... lets not get into that! I brought out my IR thermometer and DB meter to measure heat and sound and they were "normal" ........

... with that said, some people just aren't what you'd consider "normal" and they may have had issues.... but it's important to remember it is doing exactly what it's supposed to... you can't fault it for that.

.... but we could save this for another thread entirely.

 

I wont get into it to many threads on that stuff. The heat and noise never bothered me i would only be concerned about the HD simply cause noone likes to lose data.

 

...exactly...... they certainly didn't even come close to approaching "hot" let alone... "cook my data, hot".

 

Thats ok i think 99% of the readers will forgive considering we speak for 99% of the readers and generally get into dissagreement with that one %er.

 

Yeah, well you should know that one customer who just decides they didn't get 110% of what they thought they were - will try to make your life hell until they get what they want...... 1%...... or 0.001% - it doesn't matter, one voice really can mean everything.

 

Does anyone know if the new V6J will at any time get one of the IPS screen. I have read here somewhere that they as Asus have run out!? - Does this mean that the new V6j wont have them at all, or that only the first batch wont have them? - If they will not get them at all, then I will be very annoyed! - and may have to get a samsung X60 instead!

 

I might be selling mine (V6Va). It has an IPS screen.

 

The V6j is set NOT to have the IPS screen because of cost and availability.

 

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Dear All,

here in Italy things happen more slowly than other countries but, yet in this forgotten land, it's finally possible to find the new Asus V6Va.

After a deep search, at least two-three models are available but none of sellers are able to confirm if these notebooks are equipped with IPS LCD Panel... only one said to me his machine has a "Color Shine" LCD...

Question is: it seems from well-done Zamil Akhtar's review of A6Va

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2720

that Color Shine (Glossy Display), Crystal Shine (Added-Brightness) and IPS (Extended Viewing Angles) are different technologies, all present in A6Va model Zamil had tested.

Well, someone could be so kind to confirm if in other A6Va models, where Color Shine is the only LCD feature declared by seller, Crystal Shine and IPS are anyway present?

Or are they sold separated?

Regards.

- Expander.

 

Don't double post.......

 

exander, may I take the liberty to ask why you might be selling? I also have the V6Va and am quite happy--yes, the screen is absolutely incredible and deserves all the accolades. However, I do have a little problem with the design of the front edge/corner being sharp and additionally not beveled. And it runs a little warm (and have even undervolted via NHC).

 

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Hi Ragtopgeek,


no, you have misunderstood my words: I want to buy a V6Va but with an IPS / Color Shine LCD Panel.

- Exp.

 

Well, this thread actually what sealed my decision to go for V6Va and get it from ProPortable. Seems like Justin is the only one who can guarantee the IPS screen. I haven't got the unit yet, but when I do I expect to have my jaw drops.

:asus:

 

I think anyone in North America can gaurantee an IPS screen on the V6Va.

 

.... well it looks like I'm the only one who has or will guarantee it.... only because I do actually know what it's all about while most everyone doesn't have a clue.... and someone would be dumb to "guarantee" something that they know nothing about.

 

Is there a certain sequence of serial numbers or any other telltale sign that the screen is an IPS screen?

 

All V6Va in the US should come with IPS screen. However, Justin knows what he's talking about and can guarantee it. If you're thinking about V6Va, buy it now. Seems like supply is thining out. Besides it has $100 rebate now.

 

All V6va's that came into North America have had IPS screens....... There have been 2 other small shipments since the first and I can guarentee those also have IPS screens as we've had plenty from all three shipments in our stock.

Right now, Asus claims there are still almost 50 that they found in their warehouse.... the $100 rebate is going to make those disappear very very quickly.. We've "run out" and according to Asus there aren't ANY in stock anywhere.... but due to the rebate, we're keeping all the old models on our site and we've having a some shipping every other day with our incoming core duo shipments.... Asus thinks they'll last the month, but it really depends...

 

Um... what?
Ya, we sell them too.
It's the only type of V6Va left in US...

 

Dude, that post was like over a MONTH old that you quoted........ but you're active on the forum and that thread has been up for well over a month and you never commented on it then.. You may say "we sell them too", but the model has been out since the 11th of November and even though you can still sell them........ people were looking for a guarentee... meaning you'd put your life on it, which I would and did. Now, you can read my posts and well, after all this time I answered a post this morning saying "Only IPS versions of the V6va are left in North America" ...... Since you don't have one in front of you, before I left everyone know, it's the only model left.... would you have offered to pay for the laptop if you guarneteed it had IPS and didn't? We have a thread full on non-responses from the "mum resellers" besides myself, over the course of 35+ days...

.. you don't need to answer that because we're well past that point.... but the whole point to that post was an answer to "resellers are mum" and the fact that everyone that person talked to didn't have a clue in the world..... and couldn't promise anything.

 

LOL, thats awsome we sell em too. I hate when i respond to old threads without looking.

 

Ah ****it Justin! lol...
That's what happens when an old is brought back up and I don't pay attention to the dates of the last posts.

 

... i know... i know... Personally I wish that grey bar at the top of each post turned red or something when it's been longer than a couple weeks since the last post..... that way, when someone brings it back to life, you don't respond to the old post that came before it like it was just made... ... like you just did. I'll see if there's a way they could do that to make it easier on us.