So let me get this straight...

So, with the new(?) Asus G1s which has a santarosa cpu, and you can configure it with 4gigs of ram, and the 8600GT video card -which supposedly is better than the 7950GTX, or is it?

And this only comes down to $2,300 or something like that? I mean this is pretty unbelievable considering the Dell M1710 would go up to over $4,000 with the same config, but with the lower 7950GTX card, and even Alienware with it's $5000 m9750 cranked up with SLi.

Is this really true, and why are the prices like that?

I mean, if the 8600GT is in fact faster than the 7950GTX, and if the new santa rosa CPUs are in fact faster than the old ones, how come Asus' G1s is this cheap?

And also, has anyone actually played any really demanding games on the G1s like Oblivion, Stalker, C&C 3 etc, etc? I'd really love to know some numbers on those games as opposed to all the 3dMark blah blah..

Thanks!

 

Definitly not better than the 7950GTX not even close. (unless your playing a DX10 game )

Santa Rosa is faster however, it has a few tweaks to aid in extra performance and it also gives better battery life.

Let me get you the link for the notebook gpu bencmarks so you can see for yourself how they stack up.

edit:

here it is -

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

7950GTX

3d06
5214

3d05
9395

8600GT

3d06
3323

3d05
6029


Performance may get abit better with drivers, but not much more so I dont think.

the soon to come 8800 cards should be able to beat the 7950GTX tho I would hope, and they use up MUCH less power and create alot less heat.

DX10 when its matured and encoded well into a game should be able to give the same visual experience as DX9 with about 20% less system power. So a weaker DX10 card may pull ahead of a stronger DX9 card in the long run.

Question is tho, will devolopers take advantage of that 20% and make games run 20% smoother or will they do what I expect and just be 20% more lazy and encode it that much worse so that it runs the same.

 

8600GT won't beat 7950GTX as there are at different classes.
lets say,both cards have distinctive clocks,and of course..the BITs are different by 128..
lets say that 7900GTX is for enthusiasts,and 8600GT is only for performance

 

Most graphics card vendors have been selling GTX and GTS versions of the nVidia 8800 reference design for a few months. I run a single eVGA 8800 GTX on my desktop. I know gamers that set up two 8800 GTXs in SLI... and couldn't see a difference (or at least they couldn't see $600 worth of difference), so they returned one of the 8800s. The 8800 GTX is hands down the best graphics card on the market today, IMO. I've heard the Asus version of the reference design is also good.

Edit: as to "new"... the G1S started shipping from resellers less than 10 days ago, and yes, nobody that knows about the G1S would go close to an Dell without being paid to do so.

 

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8600 gt beats 7900 gs already in 06 scores.

I wouldnt invest in a 7950 gtx gpu laptop right now over a 8600 gt laptop from two angles.

one the 8600 gt is in a laptop youd probably get more use out of, a regular size one.

two the 8600 gt is over its life eventually going to play games better.

It is almost exactly like comparing the 7700 in my machine to the 6800 ultra in the last generations dell xps 2.

There are still games the 6800 ultra plays better because it has the 256 bit bus. But the 06 3dmark score says the 7700 is faster.

I mean even if the sager 570u was my machine, I would literally pay extra to have a 8600 gt in there I think its better all other things being equal.

This is not the time to buy a DTR. If you want a DTR wait the whole summer. If you want to buy soon you should get a g1s or this new f8s looks good too.
I have faith they will get the DTR gpus ready by sept for the back to school sales.

 

Biggest reason Id go 8600gt over 7950 is becase support for DX10, but also its cheaper.

 

I see why people choose 8600 over 7950 but i think still 7950 is a faster card brute power wise especially when AA/AF is on.

I think 3DM is a really good quick and dirt benchmarking tool for the gfx cards but I just think it does not tax the card hard enough.

The following is a DESKTOP cards comparison but it's just for demonstrating what I want to say:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce8600gts_21.html

According to 3DM06, the 8600 GTS desktop card is as fast as or slightly faster than the 7900 GT desktop card. But if you check all the remained real world benchmarks, 8600 GTS desktop card gets killed in almost every single one of them and by a large margin.

 

Er, really? Where? My impression was that the 8600 GT beats the 7700 of the previous G1A, however it is behind the 7900GS. Briefly, to back that up, the 3d06 score for the 7900GS on notebookcheck is 3800, and the G1s' 7600GT score is in the 3600s, as posted in the thread in this very forum pitching the 7600 GT vs the 7600GS. Now that's pretty close, but the 7900GS is definitely higher there.

Or are you talking about overclocking?

 

Yep... But the 7900GS was benchmarked on XP, while the 8600GT had to make do with vista. That's a minimum of 200 points shaved off. Brute power on dx9 Games:
7950GTX>8600GT>7900GS
dx10 games
8xxx only.

 

Good point there! I hope we do see decent improvements in the coming year with new drivers and Vista fixes.

It would be great to know that the major compromise I made when ordering an Asus G1S over a Dell Inspiron 9400 (that the 8600 GT is a bit below the 7900 GS) doesn't in fact exist.

 

Certainly not, in some benches I have seen (with higher-end parts only) the 8600M GT beat the 7900 GS straight up, without any concessions for Vista or anything. It was about 100 points off on 3dM and a valid measure of real world performance (T/s) the 8600M GT beats the Go 7900 GS by 100(million) Texels per second.

 

8600 is pretty highly optimized for 3dmark scores

 

Yes, it's 7.6GT/s(8600 GT) vs 7.5GT/s(7900 GS), but then memory bandwidth wise it's 22.4GB/s(8600 GT) vs 32GB/s(7900 GS). In situation with AA/AF off and/or running at a relatively low res with a relatively old program, things will become more CPU dependent than graphic card dependent. When AA/AF kicks in, it will become more graphic card dependent, especially gfx's memory bandwidth, and then the difference can really tell in this situation.

As the above posts say, GTXs belong to another class..
Go 7900 GTX 12GT/s | 38.4GB/s
Go 7950 GTX 13.8GT/s | 44.8 GB/s.

 

i think it should be mentioned that you will not find a 7900 in a laptop under 10lbs. 7900 is only integrated into a destop replacmeent. g1s is considered a mobile not dtr. you are comparing water melons to grape fruits