Some actual USEFUL C90 info (example build)

Where did you hear about the c90 p with bearlake? the only "official" source outside of rumors i read it from was the maxmimumpc online article about the c90. It only mentions the c90p in one sentence and says that the c90p is due this summer and that it uses bearlake and they did go meet with asus at a press conference so hope the info is right.

 

well bearlake is the desktop platform, santa rosa is the moble. So if it uses beer lake its not merom, thats what santa rosa is for.

(dont mind my spelling I keep beer lake instead of bearlake )

 

no no talkin about the c90p not the c91.

 

Oh, gotcha I figured it just had two potential names because it was not offical yet.

Im intrested in the bearlake version of the C90 (wich ever name it may have ) I could care less about the moble version that holds the merom, the cpu would cost alot more and peformance would go down. I dont think that a desktop C2D will be that much hotter, plus with 3 fans going it should stay nice and cool and not be loud. Stock desktop coolers only have just one fan, and run these things at stock volts well over 3ghz.

That clears up the confusion, I had not even heard about the merom version of the C90.

 

Yeah so did u get the info from bearlake version from any official source or only rumors? My only official source like i mentioned was the maximumpc article and all it said was due this summer. Which wasnt really concrete when sayin a word like "due".

 

beerlake? taystie!
well..BTT,whats the improvements on beerlake?

 

Hmm well

Higher FSB, Support for DDR3, and I belive its supposed to be able to house the 45nm chips soon to come aswell (not confirmed)

http://www.hothardware.com/articles...ard_And_DDR3_Memory__Asus_and_Corsair/?page=1

My old research had let me to belvie that the 45nm quad core will be in a new socket type, but they will chop it down and do a dual core version that will go into a bearlake.

Here is one link that says bearlake supports 45nm
http://www.pclaunches.com/processors/intel_bearlake_chipsets_for_desktops.php
and another
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8133

Im abit confused because Santa Rosa is the moble version of bearlake and while they had said it will support 45nm, the intel roadmap shows a 2nd Santa Rosa dubbed "santa rosa refresh" at the same time as the 45nm cpus are released. So I do not know if that means a whole diffrent santa or what.

I suppose the best thing to do is think of them as seperate entities rather than desktop/notebook versions of the same product.

 

Nope, the Santa Rosa refresh will bring in the Penryn CPUs (I think, but that maybe the desktop version). Whatever they are called, they will be 45nm chips that will come in dual core (and maybe quad core as well) configurations, and like the Yonah->Merom update, will be compatible with the Santa Rosa notebooks you can get now.

After that, later in '08, they will introduce the new Montevina platform designed for the 45nm chips only, and will otherwise be a rather slight update on Santa Rosa with a higher FSB (1066) and WiBro wireless among other things. Not sure about the move to DDR3 on the notebook side. Overall, its similar to the cycle that just happened, except with 45nm CPUs instead of 64bit being the key tech difference.

 

I thought Bearlake for mobile is Montevina? So you're saying there will be a Santa Rosa refresh that will support Penryn and Montevina will be later to adopt ddr3? I'm just curious what exactly is "Santa Rosa refresh" if it's not Bearlake.

 

There is a Santa Rosa refresh before Montevina. Montevina will bring even more new things to the table.

I dont know about the refresh having DDR3 support tho, doesnt say anything about that, only says 45nm Penryn.

Thats why I think its best not to compare bearlake to santarosa since they are not exactly the same thing. There is no bearlake refresh that I can see like there is for Santa Rosa.

edit:

here we go:

 

Looks like there may be more to the "C" series than we knew about...

Asus C90-- 15.4-inch screen, Asus C91--15.4 inch screen;

　　Asus C30系列-- 13.3英寸显示屏, 支持Intel Conroe处理器；Asus C30 series -- 13.3-inch screen, support Intel Conroe processors;

　　Asus C80系列-- 17英寸显示屏, 台式机替代品，支持Intel Conroe处理器和Intel X38芯片组；Asus C80 Series -- 17-inch screen, desktop alternatives. Intel X38 processors and support Intel Conroe chipset;

　　Asus C70系列-- 19英寸显示屏，游戏笔记本，支持Intel Conroe处理器和Intel X38芯片组。Asus C70 Series -- 19-inch screen notebook game. Intel X38 processors and support Intel Conroe chipset.

Looks like I am going to probably hold off on my C90 purchase for now untill I find out more and see how much of this goes stateside. the X38 chipset is designed for DDR3 but works with DDR2 aswell and is desktop based, being that they are also larger sized notebooks... who knows what may go in those monsters.

X38 can handle 1066 DDR2 and has 4 dimm slots. That means a cheap way for 4gb of ram via 4x1gb if they use all 4 dimms on the notebook version.


from - http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=805

Nothing on a "C90P" here or on the forign sites, I guess that maybe was a rumor or a project that never made it to light in leu of some of the other things they are working on.

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/hands_on_asus_core_2_duo_powered_c90s_notebook

under 3rd picture.

Also since the c90 uses the desktop platform wont it use the wolfdale penryn processor?

 

I love the sound of that!

Here's a review of the Bearlake chipset as well, posted a couple weeks ago: http://www.hothardware.com/Articles...otherboard_And_DDR3_Memory__Asus_and_Corsair/

 

ow..
so,all we need is to wait couple months are we'll be good,as beerlake will be on C90s..
btw,when is summer? sorry, i live in indonesia..

 

Summer is June 20th - September 20th. I'd say they'd be getting them out by the middle of August, though, since that's when most people (like me) head out to/head back to college.

 

I found that one source but didnt post it, because its the ONLY source that mentions the C90P so I figure its dead in the water.

We can wait and see, im going to wait for abit I think not so much because I dont want the C90 but because intell has a cpu price drop next month and I have a new baby on the way in 2 months or less so need to get some baby stuff before I get computer stuff.

 

The Santa Rosa refresh brings Penryn 45nm processors to the platform. Current Santa Rosa notebooks will be compatible with those processors, probably after a BIOS update. Its essentially the same as the Yonah refresh that changed only the CPU with the Merom 64bit CPUs.

The C30 scares me. 13" should not mix with a desktop processor.....

 

^^ see I told you they run cool

that or it will have vents on the back and both sides

I think the C80 and C70 are what took priority over the "c90p" they will have ddr3, 45nm ect.

(as well as x-fire support it says...) Also with a bigger model im sure they can get more heat wisked away wich means possible quad core support or higher spec video cards.

I dont think I can wait till xmas tho.

 

I have a strange feeling that cool will be hot enough to melt the plastic casing x_x

I think it will have a layer of fans, not just an array like the C90

 

This is the basic concept



in performance mode it can actually hoover across the desk

 

haha nice picture

 

also i do not know if it was previous posted but some resellers have said asus plans to ship them to resellers on june 18th but this is again speculation and not set in stone by any means.

 

Just to clarify some of the performance issues from before:

5400 v. 7200: 7200 is noticibly better when all other things are equal. Obivously a larger 5400 drive will be faster than a smaller 7200 drive, simply because of data density. However, if you want 160 (or whatever size) GB and performance is an issue, 7200 is simply worth it. If size or budget is your concern then get a 5400. Also, those are benches that were made while the drives were fairly clear, which is quite empirical. Practically, when these drives get up to 50-75 percent full of data, the 5400 will not keep up as well, since it needs to do a lot more processing in order to read and write the same amount of data. (finding empty sectors, writing and collating). Simply put, if you are making a performance laptop the Seagate Momentus series is the HDD that you want. If you need space go with the WDC monsters, if you are on a budget WD and Hitachi make great value drives.

C90 v. G1S: No real comparison. The G1S is supposed to be a performance rig that is still a laptop, that is to say not a DTR but truely a mobile solution. The C90 is supposed to be the be-all and the end-all of DTR's, being entirely upgradable as it is and with as low as 14 minutes of battery life in performance mode (81 in power-save mode). Buy the C90 if you are looking for a super-performance computer that you can take to and from work/school and don't plan on ever having off the charger or a cooling pad. Buy the G1S if you need a computer that you can use for some period of time away from power outlets (plane rides, etc.).

I have been hearing people talk about this for weeks and I can't stand it: Simply put:
If you have a gaming desktop, don't buy the C90, that would be dumb. You are wasting money. Aside from saying that you have it, there is no reason to buy this if you have any other form of gaming computer. Unless you are a LAN fiend and need a portable computer (in which case it would be a lot smarter to just buy a form factor desktop instead of a notebook anyway), don't buy this laptop.

 

I have a game desktop, but obviously this will be to game when im not at home. Plus its a matter of speed and power.

I want a notebook that doesnt feel slow to me when I use photoshop or have to load somthing. Even if you eliminated all the previous things you said and my reasons aswell. There is still one reason to get a C90 over a G1S and thats because its cheaper. Money saved is money earned. Im looking at 1500$ to buld myself a top notch machine, vs nearly 2000$ for the G1S.


What you say about hdd's doesnt make sense to me, thats the first time I have heard that from anybody that the more full the hdd gets the slower it will be, so you need to get me some documented evidence of that for me to accept it. I mean my hdd on my pc is full all 250gb of it, and it still runs just as fast as it did when it was new.

I did opt for the 250gb hdd for a reason tho, storage is important. Alot of people are building external hdd's because they need more space but I shouldnt need one. When a game can eat up nearly 10gb of space on its own, you hdd space goes bye bye really fast. Then add in your movies, your mp3s, and dont even mention HD movies.

By all means once I have my setup done I'll have that thing full pretty fast, then I can bench it and you can bench yours and we can compare and see just how big the diffrence is in speed.

 

WTF is that?
some fly-in-air case?

 

I dunno, but leave that baby one 24/7 and it will take care of any bug problems in your room ^^ Just hope your cat doesnt get friendly with it (esp a long hair cat)

 

Think about it like this. Would it be easier for you to file 10 books and then document their positions on an empty shelf or on a shelf that is full?

EDIT: your hard drive can't be full or your computer would just about not be able to run. This happens at that point.

 

However to your same point it will be much harder to max out a 250gb hdd than the 160g that you decided to get correct?

A computer doesnt care if there are 10 books on an empty shelf or if the shelf has 500 books, it just cares if all the books are next to each other (defragmented) and not scattered about (fragmented)

 

back to topic.
so,any news about c90?
think theres not..ouch!

 

Well, they've been showing it off at Computex 2007, but right now, all they've been promoting is the software used to overclock a system rather than the laptop itself. The show ends this Saturday, so hopefully there will be a lot more info then.

 

Im gonna try to sit tight and wait for the 17" version I think, better chance for a 8800 card, 45nm cpu, and a higher resolution.

If the reviews are very favorible on the C90 tho I'll probably get it. If anything I'll atleast wait for the cpu price drops on intel later in july.

 

if the c90 supports the 8800, I would buy the c90.

 

^^ Same here. I'd grab it when it can become customizable off of sites like GenTechPC. Otherwise, I'm considering grabbing a different laptop for a longer battery, since I'll be at college. I just realized I don't play a lot of games, anyway. More of a guy who enjoys watching streaming video, watching movies, and stuff like that.

 

well..8800 if off my budget

 

Yeah but since its not out yet we cant say for sure, getting a barebone with the card usually gives you a discount vs buying them seperate.

Got my Vista OS today, I can confirm the Academic Upgrade (70$) gives you rights to the 64bit version, went on MS's site and ordered the 64bit DVD. Its like 10$ for s&h.

Im abit impatiant so im downloading it lol.

One thing thats important, it says my license type is good for one computer only, when I heard upgrade is the same as full retial and allows more than one computer. I can probably just call MS if I need to install it on a 2nd machine but im not sure.

 

Supposedly Asus has already confirmed that the c90 will support all of the 8m series. Meaning 8800m wooot!

 

^^^ I won't believe it until ASUS specifically says that the C90 will support the 8800M. Thanks though.

 

If its a MXMII spec card it will take it.

Nvidia already said the 8800m is 22w and MXMII spec is 25w max.

So atleast one of the 8800m cards will fit if its that spec.

 

but not for its supersize..
8800 cards are about 1.5times longer than 8600..
NVIDIA had to think about how to shrink its 8800 to fit into C90

 

Of course the 8800s had a die shrink only way possible for both size and energy consumption to go down.

 

It's established C90S will support any of the 8800 right?

 

well..to shrink such big card,i think it needs 45nm micro architecture.

 

Well original was 90m and I know for sure they shrunk it down to at least 80nm but not sure if it is 65nm. Regardless these cards will suffer a decent amount meaning they are not meant to be as powerful as the desktop 8800. Considering they shrunk down the wattage from 100 from desktops to 22-25, is still very impressive so it is obvious some performance needed to be sacrificed but they should still blow the 7950gtx and and 8600gt out of the water.

 

Notebook cards are always cut down considerably, less shaders/pixel piplines (stream pricessors in the case of DX10 cards) lower clock speeds ect.

Thats why its hard for a desktop person like me to justify the same cost for a much lesser card :/

 

How long does Asus usually wait to annouce the production release date for notebooks? Because each day is passing by and my anticipation of purchasing the C90s over G1s is shrinking

 

fewer stream processors doesn't necessarily mean worse performance, but it does mean less power consumption. notebook cards may have half of the number of stream processors that the DT counterparts have, but still retain three quarters of the performance. The same way notebook processors and desktop processors aren't easy to compare, as they run in entirely different architectures. Many times in the past I have found my notebook processors to be as fast (and in one or two cases faster) than my desktop processor was.

 

There isn't a huge difference of performance between the same models, but with a laptop you get to play games when your traveling. Can't do that with a desktop.

 

RJtech.com has ETA June 21!!!!!!!!!

 

What's so exciting about that? It says it right in your post: an "Estimate". You can't really rely on that. lol

 

Bto tech says June 18th is "semi-confirmed". Gentech says mid-june and that site which I haven't heard of much till now says June 21st so its safe to say it will be out by then. More then it coming out the question remains when will we get reviews?!?