V1S 8600gt? DDR3?

Looking at the threads on the Asus forums and preorder pages, I am confused... is the 8600gt on V1s a 512mb DDR3? or a 512mb DDr2? or a 256mb dedicated with 256 hypermemory DDR2?

http://www.excaliberpc.com/ASUS_V1S.../90NGIA5311114EQL150T/partinfo-id-580877.html

 

It's DDR2 800, if it was DDR3 it would still be crappy DDR3 800, if it was GDDR3 1400 then it would be something different.

The total memory is 512MB dedicated + 766MB of system memory that can be used if it's free.

 

hmm.. then is the c90s DDR3 or DDR2?

 

c90s is gddr2

 

V1S and C90 are both DDR2 running at 400MHz (800MHz DDR).
On the V1S there is a chance that it is MXM which would mean that it is upgradeable with the same cards as provided for the C90.
But it's nothing sure yet. We'll see.

 

thankyou guys, how big is the difference regarding to the performance of a dell 256mb 8600gt to the Asus 512mb 8600gt? because i read some threads that showed great gains for 512mb of DDR3 but not DDR2

 

I have yet to see anyone clock a DDR2 8600 past 500mhz. It is in fact plain DDR2 used in these cards not GDDR2. If your card used GDDR2 it would be even farther handicapped. GDDR2 ran hot and had remnants of plain DDR in its architecture. It is a fallacy that DDR2 is essentially GDDR3. There exist a number of differences that allow GDDR3 to reach faster speeds more efficiently. Less energy equates to a cooler card at greater speeds. It would be impractical if not impossible to clock plain DDR2 at those speeds in a laptop. The scores that appear to reach the stock G1s are gained by increasing the clock speed more than the memory. This means the cards will still perform significantly worse in memory intensive situations. The GDDR3 cards can also overclock to a far greater degree. One should also remember that all DDR2 are not created equal. Some run at slower speeds and cannot be magically overclocked to that of superior DDR2. In any case the 8600 is still a fine card that will be proficient in games for years to come. I discussed ddr2 and GDDR3 in this thread.

sun.shine willy I believe the 512mbs offers no discernable gain. The card simply cant address that much memory. 512 sounds better so they hope it will attract more customers.

 

The dell one will be worse or equal since it has DDR3 but it's still clocked at 400 (800 DDR).

People have said they OCed them to 520 on the C90 ?

 

Fine, 520 was reached in a notebook with a jet engine for a fan. The dell c90compal etc. all use DDR2. DDR3 has yet to be released. Why do you refer to ddr3 as inferior when it will replace ddr2? GDDR3 is really just streamlined ddr2 memory for graphics applications. Faster cards such as that found in the G1s have GDDR3. Did you look at the link I posted? Why do you have 800 DDR in parenthesis? It’s not as though they are undercooking 800 memory to 400. Not all DDR2 runs at 800. There is DDR2 667, 533, 400 and so forth. DDR2 400 can be overclocked beyond its specs, but it simply lacks the capability to magically reach ddr2 800 speeds. Of course, I’m assuming that you intended to write ddr2 instead of ddr3.

 

The C90 is Asus, not Dell....

 

I believe the intended punctuation there was "dell, c90, compal", as in a list with dell referring to the 1520.

 

I see.. Anyway, the G1S does have 256 MB DDR3 coupled to it's 8600GT.

 

Err not to sure how you people are claiming to know whats in the V1S GPU, The first people to get it will be the Germans and they wont get it till Monday at the earliest I think.

 

I highly doubt the v1s will come with 8600m gt DDR3, as I just got my Vx2s and it has the 8600m gt 512mb DDR2.

 

I wrote that rather fast and should have proof read. The G1s does not have DDR3, nothing does. It contains modified DDR2 in the form of GDDR3. DDR3 will replace DDR2 and has yet to be released. The new graphics specialized memory is GDDR4. They are one numerical designation ahead of standard memory because GDDR2 was released during the DDR period incorporating some elements of DDR2.

 

I got it. It's definitely DDR2. Clocks at 400MHz.

 

Correction, You have the German version which has a different processor and a different screen, Its quite possable it has a different GPU (It makes sense that its DDR2, All the same you shouldnt make blanket statements)

 

DDR3 is released but it's so expensive and has a high latency compared to DDR2 so DDR3 1066 performs like DDR2 667. It's about $200/GB

Dell says they have DDR3 800 in their Inspirons' 8600M GT but it's 800mhz so it sucks as much as the DDR2 version

 

The Asus V1S has not a Standard MXM Card. Therefore it is to assume that Asus will not produce two different types of Cards.

Moreover, it is very difficult to produce a 512MB GDDR3 Card because of heat and power consumption issues (See Asus G1S).

And besides that Asus will for sure not offer a businness notebook (V1S) with better graphics at the same price as the gaming notebook (G1S).

 

Since GDDR3 produces less heat and consumes less power than DDR2 it's not an issue.

But it does cost more

 

Theroretically it produces less. But as the Asus G1S prooved it produces more heat because of the higher clock rates. There won't be a 512MB GDDR3 Card in any 15,4" notebook.

Dell SAID it was DDR3 but
1. DDR3 is not a VRAM Standard, GDDR3 which is actually another type of DDR2 is designed for video cards.
2. Dell already corrected this error, Dells press review manager Markus Schütz already confirmed that Dell does use DDR2 instead of GDDR3 because of power consumption issues.

 

My apologies, I just looked and one with a huge budget can acquire ddr3. It apparently went on sale late 2006 before compatible motherboards were even available. Why would dell use DDR3 when it is the most expensive form of memory available? DDR3 runs at greatly improved speeds and has two times the buffer bandwidth. The loss in latency isn’t as important as clock speed, as seen in the transfer from ddr to ddr2. DDR2 has a much higher latency, and yet I hope you wouldn’t consider ddr superior. As matti explained it is ddr2, which is most certainly inferior to ddr3 and gddr3.

 

In fact DDR2 runs at 400MHz, GDDR3 at 700MHz which makes the difference.
DDR3 does not exist on video cards.

 

I know DDR3 is not in use in any card. I was referring to ddr3 system memory. I was just attempting to show how foolish it would be for dell to use DDR3, and that it is superior to ddr2. If you read my previous posts you would see I’m well aware of ddr2 and gddr3 in graphics cards. Other enhancements besides speed allow GDDR3 to perform better than ddr2. Though, the reduced heat and subsequent increased speed is the main improvement. I suppose ddr3 will be used in the budget cards of the future instead of GDDR4.

 

I know that you are aware of it.

But others still believed in notebook.de saying the 8600M GT has DDR3...