W3N/V Holes

Greets,
Why does my W3N does not have the hole on the downside, just like the one that is showing in
http://eservice.asus.com.tw/eService/eService/sShowImage?id=A42E152E-CE15-898B-A00A-73C008B818B0.jpg
My hdd cover does not have that holes too. Does the W3V has them?
Btw, it is really needed to pull out the keyboard just to add the ram? How hard is it to take it off?

 

Those holes that are circled are the holes for the keyboard screws...... do you have screws in those positions at all? If not maybe your model doesn't have screws to hold down the keyboard...... which would be weird.

As far as the slots in the hard drive cover..... we don't have them on the W3v either.... although if those covers are available elsewhere.... it might be a nice upgrade for some of us who want to use bigger/faster drives in there........ that is if those slots will actually help remove the heat.

Thanks,
Justin
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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by rjtd

 

Holy cow........ where the heck is this fan pulling it's intake from? We don't have those slots either...... weird...

Thanks,
Justin
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Thanks proportable. I'm not talking about that holes. I have them.
But the FAN hole. Mine does not have it. Where does the air that cools the notebook is comming?
And, how hard is to take off the keyboard? It is a risky operation? Does it void national warranty?

 

hm is the heat on the keyboard normal?

 

Never mind the holes under the CPU. The holes in the HDD cover would help improve the airflow through the machine and cool the HDD in the process. See my comments elsewhere.

John

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by corrid

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

Tell Asus we want vents and we'll pay. Crap it can't cost more than a few bucks. Them actually doing this would be excellent publicity/word of mouth for their foray into the US market. What other notebook company would do such a thing? They could be the first, and they would be our golden boy. Sounds lovely doesn't it? *keeps dreaming*

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

They haven't made vent holes on final production units on hard drive covers. Those diagrams pictures, which are from Asus' instructional manual for their techs most likely..... is just for that, to show them how to work on it.

But if those aren't final production units, what there is nothing we can do about it. However, if they may them on say another model that uses the same hard drive cover........ if it would help on those higher rpm or larger drives.... don't you think it would be a good idea for me to think it may be a good idea, to look into?

However, where I'm surprised is at the location of the fan. I didn't notice there doesn't seem to be an intake for the air...... Now, that would be a first. I didn't notice it before and even someone like you who managed to have heat issues didn't even pick up on that........ so yeah, I can imagine an intake vent over the cpu/gpu fan wouldn't be a bad thing..... however it looks like the temps are just fine on the cpu/gpu without it..... so there HAS to be a reason it didn't make it to final production with them.

Thanks,
Justin
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well vents work as long as they are located right where your legs would be if you put this "laptop" on your "lap"...... it's one reason why Asus started taking the intake from the rear or from somewhere else. Any opening on the bottom whether for intake or exhaust is seen as a bad idea as they can be blocked easily. I'm going to take apart my w3 and see where the are is being pulled from.

Thanks,
Justin
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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

By the way, could it be that the air is being in pulled in by the vents in front of the hard drive? It's the only vents I see besides the outtake vent. It would make sense as well since the air would be pulled over the hard drive thereby cooling it. The vents don't seem very large but they're the only ones I can make out.

 

check the other thread.

Thanks,
Justin
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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by corrid

 

i'm willing to sometime fabricate such a HDD cover for S&G but justin never got back to me about a replacement cover in one of the other threads.

 

Can't those who want too, simply and CAREFULLY drill a few holes in the desired areas? Wouldn't that have the same affect and result? I'm sure you could even use a handy power tool to reproduce the exact vents you see on that cover and anywhere else you desire...(If keeping things looking stock and beautiful are a high priority)

I agree that if cheap replacement covers exist and can easily be ordered to go that route...but If you don't have any options...It shouldn't be too hard to carefully reproduce those vents/holes or get someone skilled to do it for you. I really have no idea why they'd remove those vents from the final design/product in the first place, but nothing Asus does these days seems to make that much sense or surprise me. [8D]

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by CalibratedComa

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by eightone

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by JingYou

 

What a coincidence...they use an M6 in that article. Man, I thought that ergonomics were bad enough without any notebook cooler... [xx(]

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 715 (Dothan 1.5), 512MB Ram, Toshiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=22&id=1084

.. on stock Asus W3V

 

If someone (brave enought) drill some holes on that part, please post your results.
I never actually put alot of confidence in the way asus cools their laptops.
I think a vent would be a wiser choice than "air from keyboard". If we block the vent with our knees, well, it would be just like no vent at all, as it is now. So, we would have a cooler laptop, or, in the worst situation (vent blocked) the same heat as it have now.

 

well, their cpus and gpus are always staying cool regardless....... until someone can present some real numbers showing their's are not, it doesn't matter if you can put faith into how they do it or not...... it is working.

Thanks,
Justin
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Well, it depends.
It is not working, If i want to put the laptop in my lap, because I will get burned by the HDD temp. And it is not working well, when I get my hand warm on the right side of PC. And it is now working well if I have a mouse and I am right handed, and I get all the hot air right to it.
Well, it is not like the end of the world. But maybe it would be wise for them to put that vent, and forget about that "ventless" design.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by rjtd

 

If a replacement HD cover were available for cheap, I'd be more than willing to try drilling holes in it to check the effect on temp, as long as I could my original cover in original condition for warranty purposes. [ ]

I may try pulling the cover off altogether later on (when I'm home and can be careful to not get foreign matter/dust/crap sucked up in there) just to see what difference it makes -- if it makes a huge difference, it might be worth making the modifications; if there's little difference, then no.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by BBQmyNUTZ

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

mmmm, im STILL running on a stock W3v, and had adjusted voltage down to 14x 1.1v. Anything between 1.052v to 1.084v.. it always shows some programe error after a short while when the system goes into super havoc processing(World of warcraft PVP.. at least 30 characters)... preety much unstable. in 1.052v to 1.084v i noticed the temperature did't climb above 58degrees c. Well for 1.1v now after a long gaming session, its super stable, the temperature right now is.. 61 degrees c. the heat vent blows out heat onto my right hand... kinda annoying but anyway i just put a box about 5cm away from air vent so the hot air doesnt warm my hand. the rest palm ontop of harddisk isn't that hot, but under the harddisk.. its like so hot it can scale your hands lol.. but the seems is preety cool.. as long as it doesnt melt (doubt so) and stays stable..

note: all temps are in non-air conditioned enviroment.

.. on stock Asus W3V

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by JingYou

 

Kai,

Put it this way. I'm not lying to anyone. You have access to the same data I do about customers heat, noise, etc. Your issue however is completely your own and you very well may have ended up with a bad unit. The problem is, you've done all of your own work to the system instead of reporting this to Asus. I'm not saying that you could have screwed it up, but simply report to Asus that this, that and the other thing aren't performing as everyone else is reporting.

See, I can say what I want. The problem is, if I personally "hype" anything, and it turns out to be the complete opposite... that's my reputation. So I make a point to test everything on a new system for instance before making comments. Often these have to come from near production demo units, but I usually try to make that clear. If everyone was having your issues, they'd be having my throat and you know that. I was more enthused over the W3 than any other notebook we've had in all the years we've been importing Asus' notebooks. It had nothing to do with it just being the next big thing (although any new model is obviously exciting)... it had to do with it being a notebook that I've personally told Asus would be my perfect notebook for at least the past two years. Last year when they came out with the W1, I said, having this notebook with a slightly smaller screen would make it perfect for me for the work I do and the traveling I do at the same time. It just so happened that a lot of other people thought the same thing, including yourself.

I do not care to make believe that Asus is perfect. They make awesome products that I love and that is why people enjoy being out customers, because we can give them the ins and outs of the products unlike any white paper reading sales rep could ever do. They make things that are below their average every now and then and we let them know it's below us in a way and we won't sell it. At the same time, they make really good things that we love to tell people about and endorse. In the five years we've been doing this I have to say the failure rate we've seen and heard about is darn near 1%, and that's over the course of five years, when you'd expect more problems later on in the life of the system. Some 200 W3's have already been ordered from us and at least 250-300 have come into the US at this point. Your particular situation would be the only system off normal if you will, and all in all, from what I've heard here and with the other dealers, I think we were the only ones who even had a return on a W3. Ironically enough, it was from someone who read your posts and was worried about heat (we actually got that laptop back towards the end of the week I think and the numbers we pulled up were actually a couple degrees cooler than mine while running the same programs). So, I think so far the systems are holding up and frankly, someone eventually has to get a dud. That's what the warranty is there for though. It's not ideal, but things like this do happen and if there wasn't a need for a warranty.... it wouldn't be offered, right?

Again, I didn't know you underclocked your gpu to get those temps... if you said that, then I missed it. I'm running STOCK... anyone giving you numbers that aren't all run under the same environment is just wasting everyones time and polluting the good data.

Thanks,
Justin
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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

Kai,

I'm not saying that or critizing you for being a "tightwad" (you said it not me [ ])... I'm just saying that if you did something to the system while doing this that makes Asus void the warranty.... you're going to be pissed but know very well that the system "shouldn't" be touched. So, all I'm saying is that if you had a problem, you should have gone as far as you could within the limits of say.. the warranty. I don't know if you did any testing before you put in the 100gb hard drive, or tested this or that.... but you should have opened it up, ran some software tests, and made sure everything ran like it should before you tried out new hardware, and before you started to install other software.

Speaking of which, I've never used this Centrino Control Panel software you speak of... I understand what it does, but I mean... the bottom line is, if your system is running warmer than it should in the configuration it was out of the sealed box, with just the software (+3d mark or PC mark whatever you're testing with)... then you have a true problem and Asus won't have a problem taking care of it. I've had software screw with drives before... and I know you don't want to waste your time or money for something stupid... and I'm sure you thought of the software and everything else... but is everything still normal? Have you run tests on the hard drive? I've read a lot of your posts so I don't know. If you have tests that show this and that on the hard drive and that they aren't normal, it makes Asus' job easier. But again, if you think it's the gpu, what tests did you run on it and what data did you pull from it?

Thanks,
Justin
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I didn't want to call you a tightwad, because well you have bought two computers in the last month... that's not the sign of a tightwad.... but you called yourself one. I think there are probably a dozen better names you could consider yourself than a tightwad.

What I'm saying is that yes the system is "upgradable" - down the road. Asus can build with whatever drives they want (I wish they would go with Seagate)... but that doesn't matter. What actually matters to them is if anything was messed with. The warranty clearly states, if a customer does anything inside the system, they MAY be voiding the warranty. You've changed the hard drive, and added RAM.... and I don't care whatelse you may have done. The point is, you didn't seem to test your system out in the original configuration before you changed anything. Although that would have been ideal so that you can see how the temps and performance change from the original setup. I take it you did this after you found out there were issues with your other drive. I only say this because it wasn't till after you had all the problems that you went back and said you put the old drive back in and did this and that to lower the temps.

All I'm saying is if Asus voids your warranty because you messed with the system, you telling them it's upgradable or it was acting like that before you did anything isn't going to fly and most people wouldn't expect it to. You of all people should know how the warranty works and it's just a warning that stuff like this sometimes slips by them, and sometimes it doesn't.

Thanks,
Justin
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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by PROPortable

 

Can you pick me up a laptop cooler on your way up here? And a couple cans of Guinness. But don't put them too close to the W3v; I don't like warm beer.

See you soon.

 

True, it's really hard to decide between 3rd degree thigh burns/BBQed NUTZ and arthritis. But the arthritis would probably make it difficult for me to open the cans of Guinness, so I think I'll go with the third degree thigh burns instead. Luckily, I don't have to worry about my gonads.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Sencha

 

On second thought, I will just keep the system... and will use the incredible heat it generates to power the hot air balloon I've been working on. I plan on flying to Canada to hook up with Sencha in it.

Kai

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Sencha