W3V and BlueTooth

Hey Folks...

First and foremost I wanted to thank all the people that I don't know, that I never spoke to, but through all the posts that they wrote convinced me to purchase a W3V. I've owned it for a week now, and I still haven't found anything that suits my needs better than this machine. I guess I should thank you again that as of last night my father is a proud owner of a V6V, again based on the features and of course the postings about Asus on this Forum.

In the week I've tried to find weaknesses in the W3V, and for my needs, I've found only 2 that are a concern to me. The first is the palmrest areas discolouring, which I would like to avoid, and the second arose as I was trying to remedy the first. I use this notebook for everything, at work, and once I get home, so it will see a lot of use. For home, I went out and picked up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse combo, so as to not wear the keyboard out, or the palm rests.and since I hate having things sticking out of laptops, I wanted to eliminate the rf reciever from the mouse that came with the unit. Solution: Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. So here is my trouble, and I'm hoping that some of you here will be able to help me out.
I got a Logitech Di Novo BT Media keyboard and mouse. If I connect the Hub that came with it, and load the software, All is well. As soon as I disconnect the Hub, and attach the devices directly to the built-in Toshiba Stack, all the programmable features and settings, along with the mediapad toys are lost. Now, I went to the logitech site, and they said that the setpoint software (used for settings and mediapad toys) is only fully compatible with WidComm and WinXP stacks. Does anyone know of a hack? or has anyone got this working? If not...Can I unload the Toshiba stack and use XP? If yes, Where do I get it, and how do I go about installing it? and will I lose any other features that I currently have? If no, then could someone recommend an alternative bluetooth keyboard and mouse (thumb button a neccessity, sorry, part time gamer )either separate or combo that would give me programmable buttons? I really liked the idea of the Di Novo as it's small, feels like a laptop keyboard, and seems well built, but without the added features, why spend so much? Also, anyone have experiences with the Di Novo? The reviews speak really well of it, but some user reviews have different opinions.. how is it for games? etc... Also anything else anyone could recommend? All your help is greatly appreciated.... sorry for the long post.



cheers,

Mike :asus:

Oh! P.S. - I noticed that there are so many processes running on this laptop, around 50 or so. Does anyone have a guide out or anything to tweak this laptop down and streamline it?
From this forum, I took off, HControl and am now running NHC, I've loaded Mobility 5.10 Drivers, and upgraded every single driver I could find on the Asus site. ATI card shows as 256m (lots of hypermemory I guess), and ran BootVis. Any other tricks of the Asus World?

thanks again.

 

The Di Novo is a nice set up..... personally i'm starting to favor microsoft's MCE keyboard but that's not going to work with anything but MCE...... Logitech also has a new bluetooth bundle with the mx1000 bt edition laser mouse....... that's very nice.

 

Hey Justin, thanks for the reply... yeah, that Media Center Keyboard is really nice looking... but I figured it wouldn't work with anything but...

And I was also looking researching that mx1000/keyboard combo with the lcd screen in the middle... looks pretty good too.. and a 100 bucks less than the Di Novo... Still wishing for someone to be able to assist me in getting all the features of the Di Novo working through the built-in Asus Bluetooth. I got the keyboard yesterday, and the place I got it from are a fairly picky with returns... so either I get it working tonight, or return it tomorrow by EOB, or I'm SOL. I've really hoping for the "get it working", as it really is a nice keyboard.

 

Don't know if this is what you want to hear, but I found this on Logitech's site:

Question
Can I use the mouse without the base station if my notebook computer has built-in Bluetooth? What happens if I use my Bluetooth mouse without the Logitech wireless hub?

Answer
Yes, you can use a Logitech Bluetooth mouse with the built-in Bluetooth support on your system. When you use the built-in Bluetooth support, the SetPoint software that came with your mouse will not install because it must detect the Logitech Wireless hub first. Without the SetPoint software installed, you will not be able to program the additional buttons on your mouse or use some of its additional features. Essentially, you will get basic point and click functionality and basic button support.

If you would still like to use the built-in Bluetooth support instead of the Logitech Wireless hub, first make sure that the built-in Bluetooth Stack or Software has the HID (Human Interface Device) Profile. Please check with your system vendor to verify this.

Next, enable the Bluetooth device search on your system and then press the connect button on the mouse. The Bluetooth search should locate and connect the mouse. If it asks for passkey then type "0000" to pair the device.

-Lee

 

yeah, that's about what I'm looking for... and I thought I did that.. but all i get is point and click when it's connected through the internal bluetooth. When i use the hub, and connect with the hub, all the menus for all the adjustments show up. I'm still new to the asus thing, and to bluetooth.. so I'm just lost.

 

My brother has a Di Novo that he used to use with his w1 and since has been using this new media center keyboard I've been talking about with his W2...... maybe I can see if he's used the Di Novo with the W2 yet..... It's a nice unit and slightly smaller than even the new MCE keyboard...... the media player controller / number pad piece though may be difficult to get to work... I'm not sure.

 

"I'm still new to the asus thing, and to bluetooth.. so I'm just lost."

That's cool...but to me, this sounds like a 'Logitech thing'. I can't understand what the limitation is that requires you to use thier hub...if anyone has an idea, I'd like to know!

-Lee

 

Lee - true, but technically their hub is just a bluetooth reciever... nothing special. I believe it's 1.1 bt as well... so there shouldn't be a problem with the reciever in the W3 or any other system for that matter......... if anything it's a driver issue...

 

That's what I'm saying...there doesn't seem to be any technical limitation to this. Logitech just wrote thier mouse/kb driver installation program to only install if the specific BT hardware/driver combo that they gave you was installed first. If they seperated the mouse/kb driver from the BT stack, there shouldn't be any issue doing this (provided your BT supported the right profiles).

-Lee

 

Right, I realize that....... there HAS to be a way around it because there are a LOT of people with built-in bluetooth that have the Di Novo....... I bet a quick google could come up with something.

 

Google didn't do it...
I checked Toshiba's website... they have an updated bluetooth stack, 4.0.0.1, that the release notes state a fix for setpoint (logitech software), figured since Asus uses a Toshiba stack, maybe I could get it to work... fat chance of that. I'm on my way to staples right now to get the Logitech mx5000 bluetooth set, just to test it to see if perhaps that would work.

Anyone else have any experiences?

 

Good idea....

 

you can use the XP stack: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=21085

 

I don't get it - how does that help, NickM?

-Lee

 

... it doesn't HAVE to help... but it certainly is worth a try...... the issue here is either a driver issue on the keyboard side or a driver issue in terms of the bluetooth stack...... so it can't hurt to check out other options.

 

In his original post he said that the setpoint software was fully compatible with the WidComm and WinXP stacks. He also asked if there was a way two use a different stack. that thread has instructions for using the WidComm or XP stack on the W3v in the last two posts.

 

Hey Nick, I'm gonna try that Widcomm one... see if that works... if it does... Dude, I'll Send ya beer

 

Alright... after staying up until 6am last night messing around with this, and then again this morning, it's now 3:45pm and I finally got it working... and boy does it work flawlessly.

THIS APPLIES TO ALL LOGITECH BLUETOOTH DEVICES THAT NEED SETPOINT TO BE ABLE TO MAP KEYS, AND USE MEDIA FEATURES.

DINOVO MEDIA DESKTOP
DINOVO MEDIA DESKTOP LASER
MX5000 MEDIA DESKTOP LASER
V270 MOUSE

Directions how to get FULL FUNCTIONALITY from Logitech Setpoint software, including DiNovo Mediapad features, using the internal Asus Bluetooth Radio. :

First, We need to get rid of the Toshiba stack from the computer, and enable the Microsoft XP SP2 stack or WIDCOMM stack.

-Delete all the paired devices that are in Bluetooth connection manager.

-Remove the toshiba bluetooth stack using add/remove programs.


WINXP STACK:

-Reboot your system, ensuring that bluetooth is off.

-Turn on Bluetooth. This should find a device and start the Install new hardware wizard.

-Cancel out of it, and go to device manager, where you'll find an unknown device.

-Now open Notepad, and paste the script at the bottom of the page into the new file.

-Name it Bluetooth.inf and save it as 'all file types'.

-Go back to Devman and upgrade the driver for the unknown device, pointing to the .inf file you just created.

-Click ok to the unsigned warning message, and let windows do it's thing.

-Reboot.

Now You should have the WinXP stack working.

Code to enable WINXPSP2 Stack:

[Version]
Signature="$WINDOWS NT$"
Class=Bluetooth
ClassGuid={e0cbf06c-cd8b-4647-bb8a-263b43f0f974}
DriverVer=10/17/2002, 5.1.2535.0
Provider=%WHQL%

[ControlFlags]
ExcludeFromSelect = *

[Manufacturer]
%WHQL%=WHQL

[WHQL]
%BT.DeviceDesc%=BCBTUsbDriverInstallXP, USB\VID_044E&PID_3001

[BCBTUsbDriverInstallXP.NT]
Include=Bth.inf
Needs=BthUsb.NT

[BCBTUsbDriverInstallXP.NT.HW]
Needs=BthUsb.NT.HW

[BCBTUsbDriverInstallXP.NT.Services]
needs=BthUsb.NT.Services

[Strings]
WHQL="Bluetooth Device Maker"
BT.DeviceDesc="USB Bluetooth Device"

WIDCOMM STACK:


Copy the Setpoint folder from the Logitech cd to your hdd. This will allow you to modify files on it. Open up the BTUSB.inf file in notepad that you find in the Widcomm32 folder in the setpoint folder that you copied to your computer. In here, scroll down a little and you will find a message that says something like %Exclude ******USB\VID_044E&PID_3001.
erase that line. If you scroll a little further, you will find another exclude but this time is says %exclude*******USB\VID_044E&PID****. Delete that one too.
If you scroll down a little further, You will find a section that says something like Widcomm WinXP, followed by some entries with different brands of bluetooth makers.
Add this after the first one:

Toshiba Bluetooth=BTWUSB, USB\VID_044E&PID_3001; Toshiba

Scroll down a little further, and you will find the [WIDCOMM] Section with more of the same lines. Add that same Toshiba line to that section.

Save the file, and back out of the directory.
Go to http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D3PNIH7P and download this file. This is a crack to fix a licensing issue. Unrar the files to the "svcpack" directory in the WIDCOMM32 folder.

Make sure that you don't have any bluetooth devices loaded in your device manager.
reboot, and make sure that your BT Radio is off.
Once rebooted, go to the WIDCOMM32 folder that's on your hdd, and run the install.
when you get prompted to plug in your BT device, don't, and hit cancel. once it's down installing, turn on your BT radio. Windows hardware install wizard will come up. Say no to connect to the net, choose the driver to install, click have disk, and browse to the BTUSB.inf file that you modified in the WIDCOMM32 folder, click ok. The drivers will load, and it will find a bunch of new hardware. Voila! You are now using the WIDCOMM stack!


Time to get Setpoint from Logitech working.

-Make sure that the internal Bluetooth is turned ON!

-Connect the USB BT Hub/Dongle into your computer.

-Run the Logitech software and install the Setpoint Software.

-Setpoint will tell you that it detected a touchpad, so mouse function will only go through USB, click ok.

-Next Setpoint pops-up saying that you can't have two bluetooth radios installed on the computer, so Setpoint stack will not be installed. This is good. Press Ok.

-Setpoint will also prompt you to check the web for an update. Press ok to do that.

-Once the setup is done, Setpoint will prompt you to reboot. Click don't reboot.

-Now go to your bluetooth icon in the tasktray and add new device. Pair your mouse, and your keyboard.

-See next instruction first, then reboot your system.

-Remove the Logitech Hub/dongle from your USB port during the reboot.

-Setpoint will run a connection manager. Turn on the internal bluetooth and X out of the connection manager.

-Go so start/all programs/logitech/settings. You should now see the tabs for mouse/keyboard appear.

- Final touch you will have to go to start/run/msconfig, pick selective startup, go to the startup tab, and uncheck "LBTWiz" otherwise the connect wizard will come up everytime you reboot.

Now you have Setpoint, working on WIDCOMM 5.X, or WINXPSP2 on your ASUS W3V!! If you don't have a W3, but have another notebook, Just change the "USB\VID_044E&PID_3001" part of the code to whatever is stated in the device details of the unknown device in the device manager when you right click and select properties.

Thank you bugmenot for posting this code to get the WinXP stack enabled on the W3V.

Hope all this helps, and that noone else will have to spend 3 days trying to get this stuff working properly.


Cheers,


Mike

 

OH ... And NickM... thank you very much... for pointing me to the info...and everyone else who helped

 

Dude your the man! I have had the di novo keyboard and media pad forever and wanted to get the stuff to work. Anyways this might be a stupid question but why would I need the WIDCOMM bluetooth stuff to work after I do the first part?

 

Hey Tony, thanks... Well, originally I wanted to use the WIDCOMM stack as the interface is very well blended into the OS, and seems to support many more profiles than the WINXP stack. A good example of this would be if you have a cell with a bluetooth headset, you'll find the WINXP stack doesn't support your headset profile. Another little bonus is that the WIDCOMM stack and the WINXP stacks have the little bluetooth tray icon, but only the WIDCOMM stack shows you wether the bluetooth is disabled(red and blue icon), enabled(generic white and blue icon), and connected to something (teal and blue icon). The WINXP stack icon just stays white and blue, and you have to click it open to see if anything is connected. I don't have a list of all the differences, but feature-wise, and esthetics, the WIDCOMM stack really wins hands down.

I guess it's a little confusing with the two posts... it took me a lot of work to get everything running and to collect and sort through all the conflicting info on the matter and then trying them all, modifying here and there, and finally getting everything to work. When I got the keyboard/mouse working, I posted the first, and I kept trying to get WIDCOMM to work, and so once I did, I posted that.

I guess now people have a choice... Use WIDCOMM or use WINXPSP2 stack, Both work

 

which one is easier to get working?

 

Once I got the modified file from the link I included, I found the WIDCOMM to be easier. It was just getting the info and finding the correct solutions to get it up and running that was a big pain =) Let me know how it goes.

BTW, i modified my posting if you refresh... everything is in the one post now.. hopefully it will make more sense.

I don't have much else to do at work than to surf here

 

HAHA you too? You know I bought the di novo and never use it with my notebook because I couldnt get those features to work, now I am going to go home and try to hook it up and I just wanna say thanks!

 

You're welcome

 

Where can i get toshiba bluetooth drivers from? I was able to find drivers for toshiba RFBUS but i can't find toshiba bluetooth drivers.

Thanks,

 

kingcow, you can get the bluetooth drivers from the ASUS website under your laptop model, I know that under W3V they are there... but I wouldn't suggest using them. Go with Widcomm drivers. check earlier in this post, and follow that.. you'll be much happier

 

Good find, Tactikz.
You meddlin' kids with your computers and your solving problems for everybody else.

Unfortunately for me I've got a T43, and can't get this silly logitech to work with my receiver either.

I tried following your steps generally and got nowhere.

do you have any suggestions for where I might start?

thanks.

 

Zang, first and foremost I'd hardly call myself a kid... Compared to most on here I'm actually an old fart

as for where to start... PM me, and we'll figure it out

 

YGPM

 

was anyone able to get their logitech media desktop bluetooth working? I am still having problems trying to get setpoint to detect it.

 

Anybody ever get setpoint to work with internal bt radio, with enhanced features on mediapad? I;ve been trying for days with no luck. Any help would be grealty appreciated.

WIFI

 

same here.

 

Hi Mike. thanks for the posing. I thought I could never get the full function from my logeteck MX5000 keyboard. your posting gave me the hope.

My laptop is Protege R200 with build in bluetooth radio (it's toshiba's Bluetooth 1.2 Module Kit PA3425U-1BTM). Win XP Pro. I followed your instruction and tried a few times on WIDCOMM bluetooth stack without any luck. The setpoint just would not detect internal bluetooth radio. On protege, i can use Fn-F8 keys to turn on/off the bluetooth radio, once the bluetooth stack from toshiba was uninstalled, this function key will not work, so i have no way to know if the radio is on .

The line i added to BTWUSB.INF is :
"%TOSHIBA.DeviceDesc%=BTWUSB,USB\VID_044E&PID_3001; TOSHIBA". In your instruction, you mentioned change the file btusb.inf, but i only have btwusb.inf, i figured they are the same.

This maybe a stupid question, but i will ask anyway, my internal BT radio is not really a USB device on the syesme, and the line added to the btwusb.inf still called it USB\VID.... why is that?

And more importantly, can you kindly give me some suggestions.

Thanks!

John

 

sorry abt the mis-posting. I thought Asus was a brand of BT radio . Now i know better. I should post my question to Toshiba's forum.

Mike, sorry for the bother.

John

 

I have tried this and it seemed to go well, until it tried to start the BTTray.exe and I got an error that it could not find btwhidcs.dll. Has anyone else had this problem? Can someone look in their folder and see if this file exists in the directory?

 

same problem

 

Is there anyone out there that got this working that can give me a hand. I am still trying to get this to work without any luck.

 

Where are the Guru's that can help us?

 

Its only bluetooth mouse and with so many have troubles in getting them to work. I guess Bluetooth technology is still very pre-matured, hardware, software and firmware are not handing shaking properly. It cools me off to pursue for a bluetooth mouse for my Z63a (I still have not yet installed my bluetooth module).