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I thought this might be helpful for people considering the W3V...I was sorry to read that BBQ was not happy with his W3V and wondering if other people feel the same way...
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Of those who have purchased the W3V would you...
1) Knowing what you know now you would buy it again in a heartbeat
2) Buy it again but with some reservations
3) Get something else (feel free to list what you would get instead)
4) Wait for something better
5) Other - fill in the blank
Also, please add why you feel the way you do.
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I am 98% happy with my W3V. That 2% is for the heat, but like eightone, it's only a very minor annoyance -- I notice the heat, but am not at all bothered by it. It certainly doesn't make my hand sweat at all. The only time this will make you sweat is if you hold it on your lap -- the bottom can get pretty warm.
Also like eightone, I had been considering a Fujitsu s6231, mainly for the size/weight. I rana cross mention of the W3V almost at the last minute (I checked this site for some last-minute info on the Fujitsu before placing my order) and saw a mention of the W3V pre-order deal from proportable. I am super happy I saw that! If nothing else, the screen on the W3V makes it all worth it. It's the best screen I've ever seen -- much better than the Sonys.
I think you ought to buy BBQ's W3V. [
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Very happy with mine. [^]
I have never even noticed my palmrest getting warm. I do notice the hot air from the vent hitting my mouse hand, but that has gone down considerably with undervolting. My HD seems to hover around 43 to 45 degrees when it is seeing a lot of use.
My one and only gripe is the Fn key is where the Ctrl key should be! [] It's going to take me weeks to retrain my left little finger for copying/pasting...
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sygyzy, please let me know if you are bothered by it. [
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I feel the same way as you do, so I'm sure I'd have the same opinion as you.
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My stock HD is running at 46 C. After undervolting the CPU to 1.004V, it dropped form about 64-65 to 54 degrees C, and the fan runs at 1200 now, down from 1500. The plamrest is still warmer than anypalce else on the unit, but there's no longer any hot air being dumped out the side vent.
The heat never bothered me before -- I was just a little concerned that it might cause problems with the computer. But after undervolting (with pbus-167) I have no complaints whatsoever. Do I wish it ran cooler? Of course. But I also understand that the kind of performance I'm getting from this unit is going to generate some heat. Maybe it shouldn't have required the undervolt hack -- maybe ASUS should have set the voltage at the factory (like any other manufacturer will do that for you...) -- but I'm getting over 4 hours on battery now, so I look at the undervolt as primarily having increased battery life, rather than having "corrected" a problem. I am extremely happy with my W3V, and would definitely buy it again (even though it weighs more than advertised. [])
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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by sygyzy
Someone has to play devil's advocate here. BBQ tried but that thread got out of hand without much good coming from it. Eveyone dismissed his heat problem, just like they dismiss their own. When you get words like "Yeah sure it gets warm but it doesn't *burn* my hand" there is an issue. It's not like people are saying "the display is not as bright as I'd like". Need I remind you that HEAT is the number one enemy of all computing. Why do they go to smaller cores? Why are there million dollar industries based on case modding, water/liquid cooling, heatsink fans, heat pipes, etc. Someone mentioned that the hard drive is actually running OUT OF SPEC. Will this cause a BSOD? Will it cause crashes? Take the HSF off your desktop PC's processor and you tell me what happens. Or turn off all the case fans and let your hard drive overheat. The concern here is aside from discomfort, nobody will know about the long term decrease in usable life on the hard drive, until it's too late. Will you knwo the difference if a hard drive that was meant to last on average 5 years, only lasts 3? You'd be apalled if I told you you lost 40% of the lifespan but if I didn't say anything, you'd chalk it up to just normal wear and tear right? Thanks for making my car analogy EVEN better.
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Let me ask then what you are expecting? You want people to claim it feels cool to the touch? You have a HDD just inches from the surface, and it seems that the W3V relies on passive cooling which I'll admit is still a guess because I haven't opened it up completely but I've never heard the fan run.
The palmrest of the W3V becoming warm, is that the norm or is that a fault? And the HDD running out of spec based on what numbers? Are we talking about idle temperatures or temperatures under load? I'd expect a source to back up the claim that the temperatures are not operating under specifications.
Well if you want to throw in the million dollar case mod industry then I guess just about every damn computer product ever manufactured is defective because it is prone to the heat issue and we the consumers want 3rd party manufacturers to fix our defective devices.
What point are there diminishing returns running cooler temperatures? Is the 5 degrees in reduction going to factor in as much as you seem to claim?
I also don't see how you jumped around from HDD to CPU and somehow compare those two with regards to the heat issue. You made an extreme comparison. The HDD does not require any cooling devices like the CPU does.
Yes, heat kills but what are we comparing the W3V numbers to? I might have missed it but if there's a golden standard, I'd like to know. Not for argument sake but just personal knowledge [].
It's really hard to make a convincing argument about HDD life when it's a device subject to so many environmental factors. Or should it be our goal to transform all devices into the test device and make sure it's in laboratory settings? No one takes battery life claims seriously, and I don't take HDD life claims seriously.
When it comes to HDD, I believe the best estimate on life comes from warranties which many companies determine using statistical evidence. Now remember that warranty covers manufacturer defects only so when a company such as Seagate offers 5yr warranty on all HDD, even the notebook ones, and WD offers 3, I think they're on to something.
I will agree with you that heat kills as it's common knowledge but what is your interval of safety? The car that overheats is obviously not operating within safe parameters. The W3V palm gets warm, fine but is it overheating and operating in the danger zone? You don't have to tell me twice; heat kills but where's that line of safety? Of course I don't expect you to know that but then if that is the case, how can you be so sure of a reduced lifespan?
PS. Just a little background info, I've got 3 HDD that are over 5 years old, 2 Western Digitals and 1 Maxtor. Two 10GB and one 20GB and still going strong. Slow? Yes. Loud? Definitely. Been with owners who cared about heat? Never. They were in cases with the only fan on the PSU unit. My current 4 year desktop? Only one fan. Have I ever had a bad drive? Sure have. Heat does kill but apparently thunderstorms as well. And so the slant of my response, or bias if you will.Last edited by a moderator: May 8, 2015 -
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lol. well it's definitely easy to pick and choose our favorite components or aspects from other notebooks to create our perfect laptop but whether that picture in our head can be conceived as a mass produced item should be considered. just because it was done in other notebooks does not necessarily suggest it could have been possible in the W3V. laptops aren't exactly modular.
ps. i really hate using laptops and notebooks in the same breath. i don't know why i keep doing that [xx(].
oh and justin, how much does the HDD cover cost? depending on the price i'm willing to experiment with perforating the HDD cover or "routing" a large hole and cover it with fine mesh.
BBQ, looks like you've got tons of ideas so get crackin on them mods []
and here's a feel good story thrown in to lighten up the atmosphere. yesterday my car broke down and it wouldn't start. i had to swerve off the road because it suddenly shut off. there i was parked on the grass and i whipped out the W3V, ethics aside i jumped on an unsecured WLAN and went to yahoo yellow pages and looked up the number for a tow truck. got towed within 15mins, car was fixed and thus a happy ending. []
Who is happy with the W3V?
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