Why would you NOT buy Asus ?

Asus makes good laptops, but some people may find other makes to be better suited.This thread is for them.

My reasons:
1.I'd rather get a thinkpad. The thinkpads have significantly dropped in price recently, and I'd rather get a SXGA T60/Z61 @ $1500 than an Asus Z96J. I hear the quality of thinkpads is much better than asus built ons, so thats a plus for the thinkpads.
2.For the 17" laptops, I'd get a dell. The Asus ones are too expensive. The dell e1705 has a metal chassis, and people seem very satisfied with it.

The only plus I see for the Z96j is that it has a good video card, + slim form. As the video card is not important to me (I dont play games), its not a good value proposition to me.

I am not saying the thinkpads and the Z96j belong to the same category, indeed better graphics cards on the thinkpads demand a very high price premium, and if someone requires a good graphics card, I would recommend Asus.
But for someone for whom graphics card is not imp, I guess a "business user", thinkpads seem to be the clear winner.

 

The system comparisons you have listed are somewhat misaligned. A person who is looking at a T60/Z61 is not normally going to be considering a Z96J as well. They represent different segments of the notebook market: business class workstation and consumer class mid-range + gaming.

The same applies for the 17" systems. The Dell e1705 is intended to be more of a budget-level 17" multimedia/gaming notebook, while Asus 17" systems are meant to be more about quality and style than sheer horsepower on the cheap.

An Asus Z96J would be better suited to be pitted against something like the Compal HEL80. And the Dell e1705 against the Toshiba P105.

 

Never offer GPU thats anything more than nvidia 7700 or ati x1700.

Edit: i correct this, since u can connect a XG dock to it thus havin a 7900GS, wouldnt know bout the performance since it's connected via Express-Card slot.

 

Quit making such comments, it'll have bad effects on newbies (imagine your and newbie and considering an ASUS first thing you see is guys giving some Idea about ASUS laptops not being good.)

Now your suggestions :
Thinkpads : They usually give high durability but are not exactly something you can call "light",also Lenovo (it's supplier) is in real trouble now(according to it's sale and share values) and the reason for their prices being low at the moment is because of this,another reason for the price drop is because Lenovo currently is suffering shortages on RAM,so configuring a lenovo laptop you will have to wait at least two or three weeks.
Also the best GPU on a thinkpad (correct me if i'm wrong) is X1400,it's no way near even the 7400 on ASUS W7J's or Sony Vaio's.
As for your comment on ASUS Z96J,it's a budget friendly laptop (compared to it's specs) suitable for gaming on good settings.You are comparing and X1400 with an X1600, also the support on IBM laptops is losing quality.You might want to compare it a Compal but AFAIK,the Compal's have their GPU's underclocked.
The DELL also has it's GPU underclocked,I don't care if you want to overclock it, but it means a lower performance/price for most users.

I think the "What laptop should I buy ?" and the reviews on this site can do all the good you can hope out of this thread.On the other hand if this continues we might suffer another VictorTsonillis effect on this forum (who according to his rep. "Can only hope to improve")

 

The T60 line is rather thin and light though.

There are workstation cards available which are more powerful than the x1400, but the x1400 and go 7400 are actually quite comparable in 3D power.

The Compals have underclocked GPUs, but it doesn't make it where they are out of their league against Asus counterparts. They are still very competent gaming systems.

 

Workstations cards have drivers optimized for stability and rendering speed, not gaming. I think you would find if you did a straight configuration comparison, the Asus would always win in terms of cost erformance.

That "thinkpad durability" is overrated, IMHO. If you're a business user and your livelihood depends on your laptop, fine. Otherwish, Asus is fine.

#1 reason I DIDN'T get a Thinkpad - Lenovos 12" laptops don't come with optical drives (Acer, Asus, etc all include USB optical drives with their single spindle systems - why can't Lenovo? Nope, $200 for dock + $169 for drive, please), and at the time were limited to 1.2GV ULV CPUs and 1.8" 4200RPM hard drives. All unacceptable

 

As others have stated... you can't really compare the Z96J to a T60. A more fair comparison would be the V1, V2, V6, or W3 series. Also, the Thinkpads aren't losing quality... everyone just seems to assume that just because Lenovo is putting their name on everything. In actual fact, the Thinkpads are pretty much just as good as they were before, if not better.

However, Asus isn't the best in terms of performance/price ratio... at least not so much recently. The A8, A9, and Z series usually cater to that group, but go to Dell or HP if you want to tap into that market. Asus notebooks have unique designs and are for the enthusiast users out there... they're high quality and durable, and you'll probably have one of the most unique notebooks out of all of your friends.

 

How am I giving the impression that Asus laptops are not good ? Asus sellers have themselves told me that thinkpads are of better quality than asus built ons.
I wish someone had made this sort of thread when I was considering buying a laptop. I was very very close to buying a Z96j, when legendary 38% off all dell systems deal popped up.

There are such people though (like me). I was considering t60/Z61 and Asus when I was last buying (SXGA screen, good build,warranty). The thinkpads were losing out because they were a bit too expensive; and I had been led to believe that Asus laptops were not that far behind thinkpads in quality. The graphics card was not important to me.
A review I saw on this site of the Z96j has indicated otherwise. I since been told that Asus built ons are of lower quality than asus ensembles.
Thinkpads have also dropped in cost since then.
And Asus ensembles are quite expensive.

I am not saying the thinkpads and the Z96j belong to the same category, indeed better graphics cards on the thinkpads demand a very high price premium, and if someone requires a good graphics card, I would recommend Asus.
But for someone for whom graphics card is not imp, I guess a "business user", thinkpads seem to be the clear winner.

Regarding the Dell E1705, it seems to be a very well built laptop, the only one in the inspiron series with a metal chassis. I believe the build is of the same quality as XPS/m90 laptops. Much better quality than the E1505.

 

Trying to justify your own purchase I see?

ENSEMBLE units are expensive, yes, but theres no reason why its not. And mutajaba replied to your post like that because, obviously, this thread has no meaning but to troll.

As Chris mentioned, the units that you compared are totally different in the target groups they were aimed at. The whole ODM fanaticism groups of Compal, Clevo/Sager and ASUS are more enthusiasts user-based, sure it is expensive at times, but is it worth it? Hell yes. Users know they are buying something that's built to last knowing they will have customer support from dealers and ASUS(Well, North America, since that's all I can comment on) backing them up.

There are facts, and there are assumptions, its not good to get them mixed up.

 

None, I love Asus.

 

The only reason I wouldn't buy Asus is because their software/driver support is terrible.

Hardware-wise, no complaints at all.

 

Ensembles are expensive, but you actually get what you pay for.
Look at the W7J. There are two notebooks with nearly identical size and specs, but both cost more and dont have much more to offer.
Same with the W5Fm. Its competition is much larger than it, and isnt cheaper by a meaningful amount.

Reasons not to buy an Asus: your parents have never heard of the brand and force you into buying a Sony.

 

I created this thread for future buyers who are considering Asus. There should be at least thread which discusses why Asus would not be the best choice for them.

I'm not trying to justify my purchase (M90). In fact I cant. I wish I had rather gone with the E1705, as its reputed to have the same build quality as the M90.

Have Sony vaios improved in quality ? Our group got a bunch of vaios 6 years back. They are the WORST laptops in terms of quality I have ever handled. Much much worse than the inspirons 7 years back (which are considered to be pretty bad themselves).

 

I had Vaio T350 and I would like that kind of laptop quality any day...

 

I concur that ASUS is not for everyone, I mean, price-wise, usually(there are exceptions) by far, a sub $1000 machine, look for a Dell or HP, and by no means are they cheap neither(in quality). For a $2500+ machine, Clevo/Sager is THE way to go.

It just so happens that Compal as well as ASUS fall into the middle category, where alot of people stand.

The bottom line is that, you get what you pay for, and it shouldn't be anything new.

 

Well, VAIO quality was best in 2001 - 2003, and since then it has gone downhill. My mother has a PCG-FX240 from 2001, and it still works fine, except the pcmcia slots (which I broke) and the CD Drive (which isnt that important). Because that one still runs, my parents decided to get me a vaio, despite all protests (I wanted a W7J), because it will run forever (or so it seemed). At the moment, it doesnt look like it will...My VAIO has some problems, like it makes a buzzing noise, and its screen sometimes goes into 'constant flicker' mode, which are both extremely annoying. I am thinking of sending it back in a few weeks if the problems continue.

 

For me, the only reason is not having media keys on the models I want (the 14"/13"). Otherwise, I would go for an Asus.

 

Honestly I have not been impressed with the "Thinkpad Quality".

A lot of my classmates bought T40s through the school's program for insane prices frosh year, and many of them have completely fallen apart under day to day use for that length of time. Not something I would expect at all.

One of my friends is on his second hard drive and third screen in his T40. His warranty just expired and the screen is failing *again*, so where does that leave him now?

I bought the A31p in my sig for my younger sister and after 4 months of use the palmrest is starting to seperate from the base of the unit...

I think the reasons everyone says Thinkpads are "built really well" is because the people who use them are in situations where they can buy a new one every 2-3 years, so it's always 'new'.

 

I completely agree that thinkpad quality is overrated, I too have had similar experiences with thinkpads.
That in no way implies Asus is better though.

 

I'm really confused. I make a statement about Thinkpads and you have to come back with "Asus isn't better?"

How is that not trolling?

The Built Ones are better then most other consumer models, as are the mid-level Ensembles... And the high-end ones are right up there with other business class machines.....

These are high quality machines. We have excellent dealers who are willing to back up the Built Ons, and the North American warranty service is usually pretty good.

Have you owned or extensively handled an Asus notebook? What qualification do you have to make these statements?

 

That sounds so eerily like the situation I was in when I was trying to get a laptop...

 

How is that trolling ? I just said asus isnt better than thinkpads in terms of quality.

Please try to see things in grey, not just "either you are with us or against us" mentality.
I am not saying Asus builds crappy machines.
I am not saying Asus is not the best choice for any category.
What I am saying is that there exist users for which Asus is not the best choice.

You have yourself said (which I agree completely with):

Thinkpads are considered to be top of the line business class machines.
Assuming Asus high-end ensembles are strictly better than their other machines, your statement necessarily implies that many Asus laptops are inferior to thinkpads in terms of build quality

 

With no 'real' evidence, and just assumptions(whether it may be true or not), and coming in thinking you are correct, sure, why not?

We all understand this brand is not for everyone, but for a majority of them, it does fit, and does that well, and fits them well. This is why a majority of the people that come in, end up with different units, usually a Dell because they can't justify the costs(well understood and if anything is encouraged - We don't want people to spend extra money unnecessarily), or Compal because some models are, indeed, better in some ways(HEL80 is a great example), which is encouraged. As long as the end user is happy, who isn't? One less person walking around with an exclusive ASUS notebook

We know ASUS isn't always the best choice, that's why we don't even consider posts like these to be posted, as if people who are in search of a notebook can read and do something called research, they would understand, ' Hey, this isn't for me because of so-and-so reason. ' and they move on. Creating this posts either means two things, you think people 'can't' understand that there are better brands, or that, hey xxxx is better then yyyy, because zzzzz, without doing research under the impression all is true from what you've heard.

No offense if you felt so if I called you a 'troll', but if you've been around in this forum specifically, you should know how feisty it is.

 

Interestingly, wearetheborg remains quite objective to the post and just wishes to see if there's any physical/personal experiences in both line of notebooks to see if there's comparison between Asus and Thinkpads.

Also, I noticed that Thinkpads just went back to the original prices since Christmas when they had some major discounts on Processors, Ram, and other components.

Sadly, I wished I had bought it during that time.

 

One of the reasons for making this thread was that I used to blindly belive Asus was close to being the best for my business use needs. The Z96j in particular. Not that I was deliberately mislead, its that I somehow formed that opinion. Entirely my fault.
I have now had a change of opinon, and since its not inconceivable that others might be in the same boat as me, I decided to make this thread.

I completely agree, this thread is for that excluded minority.


Oh, and I do remember the vivid exchanges, especially between Justin and others

Why, thank you kind sir

 

I'm torn because I've always wanted a brand spanking new Thinkpad myself. I still do.

But when I looked at 12"-13.3" models last December-January, I started with a chart of 10-15 models. I narrowed it down slowly, and the X40, the then-current 12" Thinkpad, fell off the chart.

I agonized for a couple weeks, but the $2500 for a much slower system just wasn't worth it.

Build quality on the Z33 is excellent. No flex, no parts falling off after a year of daily, sometimes heavy year, and I still think it's one of the best designed 12" models out there.

I don't think it's fair to ask "Why DON'T but <Brand X>" but rather, "What is the best way for users to conduct research into systems?"

Start with a size, maybe a price in mind. Make a spreadsheet, and find out what the current models from major OEMs (prebuilt) and ODMs (whitebool) are. Look at reviews and gather information. Narrow it down to 2-3 models and make a choice. If that choice is Asus, great.

 

Wow, I did that too, and I ended up with a W7J and an SZ at the end. I actually make spreadsheets like that very often, I have like 15 already. I havent used any of them, and I probably wont in future. At least the SZ prices have gone down.

 

Asus and Compal built ins are $200-300 cheaper than the next brand, if we compare similar qualities: GPU, CPU, RAM, etc. I recently did a 2 months research on this, so I know. I bought my Asus because it was cheaper actually.

 

I agree Jumper, if we look back to the Pentium-M laptop, I used to draw up comparisons for people showing the differences in prices, upgrade costs, and performance.

If anyone remember back almost 2 years ago, Dell used to charge 1000$ CAD for 2x1GB of ram, while we used to charge 250$ for 2x1GB for Branded Ram.

Now things have changed drastically, pricing is becoming much more normalized. Consumers seem to be more and more aware of their options.

NBR.com's FAQ is the one of the greatest tools we have to help people and for people to help themselves to figure out what they want and what brands offer them the best deal all round.

Dell has a lot of areas where they are doing extremely, 17", while other brands are doing well in other sizes of notebooks, that cater to what other people want. So it all works hand in hand aslong as the customer does his or her research before hand.

 

I think the guy's got a legitimate point. I love my A8Jm to death and Asus has great laptops, but for people for whom gaming or 3D performance is not important, there are many other alternatives, of which he suggested some rather good ones.

Don't flame the guy, he just doesn't want people to get an Asus just because of the fanatical devotion of people in this forum.

 

What do you mean ?
Is it nice that we (me+some ASUS people) start similar threads like :
1 - Why would you NOT buy an Apple.
2 - Why would you NOT buy an LG.
3 - Why would you NOT buy an Acer.
4 - Why would you NOT buy a DELL.
5 - Why would you NOT buy an HP.
6 - Why would you NOT buy an IBM.
- note : the prerequisite to start these threads is : you shouldn't have bought any of these brands.
- note : wearetheborg, I have no grudge against you, but for the reasons I have already stated, I disagree with this thread.

 

A good reason not to buy an Asus is if you had to choose between rent/food/gas and a laptop. But even then...hmmmmmm.

 

he should have titled it differently but his point is perfectly legitimate

 

Same here, I have had a Dell and HP, I am not hard on my laptops, but I have fallen in love with my Z96, my favorite laptop I have ever owned and at a great price. I will only ever own an Asus laptop from now on.

 

I actually would like those threads, started in Apple/Acer etc forums. The prereq thing is silly, if one has read reviews, read forums etc, he can have a legitimate opinion. Owernership does not necessarily give credence to one's view.
As I mentioned, I and my collegues have had Sony Vaios. They are the most crappily built machines I have ever handled. Ultra crappy build, keyboard, land connector, max RAM capacity etc. Our experience does not mean Vaios are atrocious in general.

For the 14-15" screen laptops for non-gaming use with excellent build quality @$1500, I have not seen any arguments in favor Asus apart from dealer warranty in this thread.

 

I would not buy an Asus because: It had a glossy screen and I can't stand them. But that also singles out most notebooks, so it's not cause I'm not interested in what Asus offers. Consequently I have an old Mac Powerbook and am still considering either a Compal HEL80, or MacBook Pro for their Matte Screens.

 

i have owned both an IBM and an Asus and i would say that the price of an Asus is cheaper compared to IBM. The looks of an IBM isn't anything near a Asus. The most powerful videocard built into an IBM is X1400 and X1700/Go7700 in an Asus. I have dropped both laptops (accidental) and the Asus survived while the parts of the IBM broke off.

I am not saying that you shouldn't buy IBM or Asus but in terms of price, if you had to 2 laptops from IBM and Asus with the same specs, the price of the Asus would be much cheaper.

The reason i would not buy an Asus because: no video card above X1700/Go7700.
The reason i would not buy an IBM because: no video card above X1400 and the price is expensive.

 

Since you are not considering a purchase at this time, have no personal firsthand experience with an Asus model, and refuse to ask specific questions about a model or consider anything we are saying, I see no reason for this discussion to continue. It's nothing but a troll.

14" Integrated:

Asus A8Fm:
-14.1" WXGA screen
-Core 2 Duo T5500 (1.66GHz)
-1x1GB DDR-667
-Integrated GMA950
-100GB 5400RPM
-DVD-RW
-0.3mp Integrated Webcam
-XP Media Center Edition (upgrade to Vista Home Premium w/Aero)
-2 Year Warranty
-Asus Carrying Case
-Asus Optical Mouse
-$1199


Thinkpad Z61t
-14.1" WXGA Screen
-Core 2 Duo T5500 (1.66 Ghz)
-1x1GB DDR-667
-Integrated GMA950
-100GB 5400RPM
-DVD-RW
-NO Webcam
-XP Home (Upgrade to Vista Home Basic w/o Aero)
-2 Year Warranty
-Lenovo Carrying Case
-Lenovo Optical Mouse
-$1378

$180 more gets you the version of XP that won't get you Vista with Aero (Lenovo doesn't offer MCE) and no integrated webcam.

15" Integrated:

Asus F3F
-15.4" WXGA
-Core 2 Duo T5500 (1.66GHz)
-1x1GB DDR-667
-Integrated GMA950
-120GB 5400RPM
-DVD-RW
-1.3mp Integrated Webcam
-XP Media Center Edition (upgrade to Vista Home Premium w/Aero)
-2 Year Warranty
-Asus Carrying Case
-Asus Optical Mouse
-$1024

Thinkpad Z61m
-15.4" WXGA
-Core 2 Duo T5500 (1.66GHz)
-1x1GB DDR-667
-Integrated GMA950
-120GB 5400RPM
-DVD-RW
-NO Integrated Webcam
-XP Home (upgrade to Vista Home Basic w/o Aero)
-2 Year Warranty
-Lenovo Carrying Case
-Lenovo Optical Mouse
-$1498

$475 more for no webcam and no Aero...

Not to mention that the Z series are a plastic chassis... I've used them and I wasn't impressed.

 

<quote>Also the best GPU on a thinkpad (correct me if i'm wrong) is X1400,it's no way near even the 7400 on ASUS W7J's or Sony Vaio's.</quote>

I think the thinkpad z61p has a FireGL card on it, which runs about as fast as the X1600. And also, the X1400 is better than the 7400go, but weaker than the 7600go.

For business ppl who hav their life on their notebooks, then the Thinkpad is still the better choice. Otherwise, for the most part, ASUS is good enough.

 

Because I have never had experience with them, not available in stores, (at least in the U.S right?) to try out.

Of course, maybe its a good thing that they are not mass marketed like all the Dells and Toshiba's and HP's, keeps them sexy and exotic doesn't it? I have only heard glowing praises about Asus and their notebooks and they sure have great designs and features to boot.

 

I just wanted to make a bit of a correction. Lenovo does offer an upgrade from Windows XP Home to Vista Home Premium (They give you the option of upgrading to either Basic or Premium and will fully reimburse the price of both minus S & H)

http://www-131.ibm.com/content/home/store_LNV_PublicUSA/en_US/PDFs/October_Vista_rebate_form.pdf

Also, the Z-series does come with an option for a webcam. The upgrade ranges from $30-$50 depending on whether or not you pair it with Titanium lid.

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/systemconfig.runtime.workflow:LoadRuntimeTree?sb=:00000025:00000056:

Lastly, I believe the chassis of thinkpads are plastic/carbon fiber, but maybe someone else can confirm this.

It does seem as though the ASUS has a better price point, but if you purchase a Lenovo during one of their big sales (back to school and xmas) the price would probably be very similar.

 

Consider the following deal from december:

thinkpad T60 2613HJU Price = $1,243.00
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 (2GHz, 4MB L2, 667MHz FSB)
Operating system: Genuine Windows XP Home Edition
Display type: 14.1 inch SXGA+ TFT (1400x1050)
Memory: 1GB PC2-5300 CL5 NP DDR2 SDRAM SODIMM
Graphics: 64MB ATI Mobility Radeon X1300
Ports: 3 USB 2.0, External Display (VGA), External Microphone/Line-In, Headphone/Line out
Hard drive: 100GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive
Optical device: 8x Max Dual Layer DVD Recordable Ultrabay Slim Drive
Integrated communication: 56K V.92 Designed Modem
Integrated Ethernet: Integrated Gigabit Ethernet
Integrated WiFi wireless LAN: Wi-Fi wireless upgradable and Bluetooth
Integrated WiFi wireless LAN adapters: thinkpad 11a/b/g Wireless LAN MiniPCI Express Adapter
Keyboard: thinkpad Fullsize
Pointing device: thinkpad UltraNav
Battery: thinkpad 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery
Security: Client Security Solution and Integrated fingerprint reader

(Three year warranty costs another $149.00).

SXGA+, 2 GHz C2D, 1GB ram, 3 year warranty at under $1400.
(Dont use cash discounts for Asus, CC use extends warranty by a year, so I would want to use that)
Normal thinkpad prices are indeed more expensive, but sales can make then quite attractive

Posting some other configs:

FW thread:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=0&catid=18&threadid=671691

 

So what? Those are prices for one month. Depending on what dealer you order from, you can get small rebates off the Asus prices.

I'll be honest, I don't care for those deals at all. After swimming all over the Dell and Lenovo websites trying to find the right coupon codes to enter, the right SKUs to click on, and the right pages to click on to search for models, I became extremely frustrated - there are a ton of different prices for a given configuration and it's basically up to luck if you get the best price at a given time.

With an Ensemble or a Built On, you know exactly what you're paying and why you're paying it, which was a big plus for me. Some vendor have small rebates or student discounts, etc, but for the most part prices are similar and you don't have to search around confusing and non-user-friendly sites to get a good price....

I don't know how much the 'price high, offer lots of different confusing coupons' strategy that Dell uses on their site annoys other people, but it really annoys me. It's like Staples rebates..

 

These rebates and coupons are exactly what enable these deals. They are confusing for a purpose - the companies do not want people to take advantage of them, they just want people to be enticed.
However, sites like FW and SD provide step by step instructions on how to get the best deal.
(The Lenovo deal above was straightforward though, no coupons or crap).

If one is not willing to wait/optimise for coupons etc, Dell etc are not good choices. If one is willing, then they become very good choices, asus loses out here because it caters to a different segment and does not allow much room for "deal hunting"

 

I would get an ASUS. Heard they're top notch, and I'm perfectly fine buying without seeing (heck, I did it with this notebook). The only problem is their DTRs don't have numpads. and I'm a DTR + Numpad kinda guy.

The brand you want depends on what you want. There wil never be an ultimate laptop thats for everyone's needs, though some will try to do so.

 

ok the t60 p with the 14 inch screen is actually a 15 inch notebook with a 14 inch screen with a large border

thats not to say it isnt a good deal its a great deal but its apples to oranges to compare the 15 inch standard screen to a 14 inch widescreen.

youre buying lennovos outgoing model they are getting rid of to introduce the widescreen t60p

if you like a standard screen size 15 inch with a ati 1600 eq card for 1500$ I recomend that one its great. but its not a 14 inch like a w3j its like maybe compare it to a v1j or um most compare it to a v6j

 

not sure where you even got that idea, but if you ever saw a 14" T60 in person, there's no room for any larger screen size. Especially if you saw both models side by side. They are different size notebooks with different weights and different dimensions that simple.

 

not the t60

the t60 p

the t60p is a 15 inch notebook. it has a 14 inch screen you can put in it

the t60p does not come in a 14 inch (chassis, as i said you can put a 14 inch screen in it).


the t60 is something different. the t60p is the one with the fire gl

you can find all the sizes of the models at lenovo.com

there is also a widescreen 15.4 inch t60p.

 

I have never heard that the 14" T60p is a 14" screen in a 15" chassis...I know someone with a 14" T60p and there is definitely no room for a larger screen. If you click on this link and then compare the pdf spec files for the T60p and T60 you'll see that the 14" and 15" screens have different dimensions, and there is no special exception with the T60p.

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=19C791A03AF24034A0011B825513BCED

If you think about it...offering a 14" and a 15" screen in the exact same chassis wouldn't make much sense anyways

 

no

that is the 15.4 inch widescreen and the 15 inch with the 14 inch screen


those are two different sizes

however the 15 inch and the 14 inch, those are the same size

the t60p the mobile workstation. not the t60, the t60p

you can think about how much sense it makes all you want.

I pointed it out because it might not make sense to you or someone else.