Windows VISTA and Asus ACPI

Well.
No vista for us asus folks.
At least, for W3N. Windows says he requires an ACPI computer, and that ASUS W3 is not one of them.
Linux people had complained before about the buggy implementation of ACPI on ASUS Bios.
Now I'm eager to see what ASUS will do! Will them ignore this bug? Will I be able to run Vista?

 

Well, before anyone jumps to conclusions...... there isn't a "vista" certified machine that's been made yet and realistically we're still looking at a year most likely before we do. Vista is supposed to be new from the ground up and even a bigger change between XP Pro SP2 to Vista than it was from Win 3.1 to Win 95.......

 

Well.
My laptop was suposed to be ACPI compatible.
On linux, acpi does not work.
And now, Windows says "NO ACPI SO NO WINDOWS VISTA". It is not a matter of certification. It's a matter of a buggy ACPI. ACPI is a standard.
So, if windows vista works on another PCs, it would comply with a properly ACPI implementation on my machine, if the machine has it.
It is just a thought, I'm not mad or something. But I really hope that ASUS now fixes this buggy ACPI implementation that Linux guys were requesting for a long time ago.
And as you should know, windows vista will run on every PC. Just not the Aero styles, that are tiered. On W3, I can't even run it a first time, except if I run it on VMWare. yah, vmware has a bios with a proper implementation of ACPI. Lol.

 

Well considering ASUS ships windows with nearly every notebook it sells, im sure that when vista goes gold it will run. The current beta vista version is going to be alot different by the time it hits the market, which like justin said is possibly more than a year away. Thats plenty of time for the both parties to work things out. Also not to rag on linux but its not really used by that many people, and before people jump down my throat, take a look at the latest market share figures, combine that with the market that ASUS is going after..ie corporate professionals who like style and power, and you end up with very small linux target population. Thus economically its not worth spending money trying to support it. Not saying I think this is good just that thats the cold reality of the world we live in...ie its all about the bottom line. Stamped for an ibook anyone...lol
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It's a matter of supporting a part of the marketshare or not as you try to pinpoint it Underpartman... As rjtd pointed it out, ACPI is a standard, meaning that it has specifications, and Asus didn't follow these specifications when implenting their ACPI.

It reminds me of a similar problem with Microsoft/Internet Explorer, creating new standards and breaking the web in multiple places for other browsers, until a few people realized IE was not secure, and that there were viable alternatives for it. Anyway, not following a standard, whatever the reasons, is bad in the long term.. Standards are meant to be standards...

And the linux population may not be as small as you think, or not as important as it seems, because often Linux is used by IT professionals who work in big corporations... And if one sees the problems with the Asus notebooks, why would they recommend it to anyone?

I'm not against Asus, I like Asus and I think it's a good company. Not the best, but a good one, and it is not perfect, and sometimes makes mistakes. And when it does, it should just concentrate on fixing them, not ignoring them.

 

Vista works just fine on my Z70V.

 

You got vista? You have my permission to send to me
BTW they did adress the same issue with the z80k. Just took long enough. I am sure with enough people complaing they will do it here to. I do have win xp 64 beta but you said vista right?

 

Just subscribe to the MSDN Operating Systems package. $700 should be worth it for a buisness such as yours.

 

Why pay 700$ when you can download for free? Just kidding but no its worthless we dont do much servers here. If we did school bids and such its prolly worth it. I just want vista for my self not for work. Cant use it yett.

 

The OS subscription doesn't include any server software or such, and there are always cupons or promotions that can cut the MSDN cost down to almost nothing (MS seems to be throwing those around alot). Would have thought it would prove useful to have tested upcoming OS' to check out customer concerns such as the ones in this thread (for your 'built on' products). If you're doing HTPCs then having MCE around way before launch surely could have proven useful as well.

If you just want it for yourself to play around with, though, I can understan why it'd seem like a waste of money. And frankly: Vista as it is now is a waste of time just to play around with as well. There will be a public beta soon enough.

 

Are you sure? As i read it msdn is mostly centered around corporate products. Ofcourse it includes upcoming softwares and existing but the value is in the server products there. Is there more then one msdn subscription. Last time i checked it seemed to me it was more usefull for corporate integrators and corporate admins. It seemed pointless for small system integrators. Last time i checked was last year.

 

Just saw your link. Very interesting. Learn new things every day
http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/subscribers/msdnos/
Says nothing about vista?? I am i missing something?

 

They don't mention Vista on any of the purchasing pages. Probably just not updated that section yet. It definately is available for download with such a subscription, as is all applicable beta products, toolkits and whatnot. May not have physically shipped in the monthly disk and documentation mailouts yet.

Edit: TechNet Plus might serve your purposes better as a systems integrator. Sometimes a bit slower on the uptake, with somewhat less technical support resources, and the licence is more limited[1], but you get more stuff to play around with. Plus they're running a promo ($559) on it now in the US.

[1]
Evaluation only, but no time limits, and for a systems integrator the definition of 'evaluation' could be stretched pretty far. Often just testing stuff is all one want to do anyway.

 

anyone have a link for downlaod?

 

Not any legal ones, no. The only way currently is to be a MSDN member. Then you can just log in and download away.

If you really want to it should be easy enough to find a clean copy, but trying to warez a beta OS is much like, running with siccors, doing drugs, cleaning a loaded gun, playing on the highway, and so on: It may be exciting and it might turn out OK, but is really not worth the risk.

 

I was mearly trying to say that there is no way ASUS will allow Vista to not run on its notebooks when the 'gold' version is released...that is I was trying to answer the question that rtjd asked.
My reasoning for saying/having faith is that MS runs on more than 90% of computers out there, laptops now make up over 50% of all pc sales. Thats a pretty compelling reason for ASUS to spend alot of time ensuring that everything runs smoothly on all of its notebooks.
Should ASUS stick to the rules and follow standards... probably, but there could be a number of reason they dont... maybe they have a deal with ms to not do so, so that linux etc wont run? Maybe they are chucking an apple and want abit of control over there hdd so that people dont instal o/s that ASUS doesnt want to support, or maybe ASUS just hasnt gotten round to fixing the issues for linux users....who knows, I was mearly trying to suggest that its a numbers game, in an ideal world linux whould run perfectly, it staff would recommend them and ASUS would rule the world, but thats not how things work, corners are cut, there is a finite amount of $$$ and resorces, thus something somewhere gets and has to get a short stick.
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uhmm...
Do you think ASUS will update bios from laptops they will be no longer selling?
And BTW, how can I pass the word to ASUS? Contacts please.