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    Zenbook U500 Announced: 15.6" HD IPS, GT650M, Quad-Core i7...

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by kanuk, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. TheLib

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    They will not going to put inside the U500 a better battery than the prototype one but i'm sure they will give us a better autonomy due to a more "smart" BIOS and settings
     
    TheLib, Oct 23, 2012
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    You could not have notice of throttling is you measure it checking FPS, This is not serious way to check if throttling happens.
    A serious way to check throttling is to run HWinfo64 in log mode while you are gaming .
    I don't understand why you consider "theoretical" the temp measured by Notebookcheck, they used the same standard way to test every notebook, then you must consider "theoretical" every temps that you have seen in every notebook review.
    Battery: even a simple wrong setting can cause a consistent battery drain, so to say something of conclusive we must wait the final unit.
     
    [-Mac-], Oct 23, 2012
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  3. Arès1511

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    I don't understand why throttling can be a problem (except for the hardware which can "burn" of course, but it's covered by the warranty, and, in any case, logically, it won't burn because throttling is due to high temperatures and happens to reduces them) if you don't see the difference in terms of FPS in games. For example, the throttling of the XPS 15 L521x is a real issue for me, cause you can see the FPS drop significantly.
    Why I consider the temperatures of notebookcheck theoretical? Because, these high temps are measured during extreme stress tests that push the hardware to these limits.
    As I said, I play several game on my rMBP (sometimes during 3-4 hours consecutive), and I never see a temperature of 104° celsius, even on the witcher 2.
    But I'm just talking about games, maybe during a heavy video working it can get much hottest, but I don't think so.

    All in all, I just swear that, if the U500 throttle, it won't affect the user experience as it affects the L521x.

    P.S : By the way, sorry for my poor English
     
    Arès1511, Oct 23, 2012
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  4. nunomoreira10

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    @Mac, you obviously know alot about computers then you should know the throttling reported by the mbpr is a consequence of a secon level bios protection that override the intel fail safe in case of overcurrent.
    intel states 45w for their processors, but they can take 50w+ for a few seconds before the processor downclock to meet the specs.

    the bios protection is there in case the processor or motherboard passes over a predetermined limit 45,50,55 etc

    the only program that triggers this throttling on the mbpr is prime95, and when that happens the bios underclock the processor to the minimum 1.2GHz and then release it again, and so fort, instead of a gradual downclock as it should normally be.
    this problem is much worse on asus n series that seem to trigger it quite easily and that represents a real problem.

    i have no doubt that the mbpr reduces its turboboost during games to reduce heat, but throttling is not a problem for it as you can see on the numerous benchmarks made, and if you want to be really scientific with your test methodology, you may want to consider more then a single test made, who knows, maybe it had a poor thermal paste job or something.
    have you seen the new review of the xps15, the srgb coverege of the display has improved quite a bit but the contrast is worse
    the low ambient temperature of 19º also helped the computer not to turn of even with the A04 bios

    Notebookcheck.pl: Recenzja Dell XPS 15 (L521x)
     
    nunomoreira10, Oct 23, 2012
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  5. PJPeter

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    Source please? Model? Notebookcheck mentioned throttling in 1 single review and they had a second model there that did not throttle at all. But your charge is very specific - please provide a source. Thank you.

    3 hours to the Conference.

    Peter
     
    PJPeter, Oct 23, 2012
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  6. nunomoreira10

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    Sandybridge Throttle Issue and Workaround

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/635266-sandybridge-throttling-permanent-fix.html

    Review Asus N55SL-S1016V Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

    Review Asus N56VZ-S4044V Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

    As you can see on the last link, the asus n56 get a much worse score on Cinebench R11.5 but i guess its not that easy to triguer as i made to see.
    From personal experience i know that my sister's asus n55 will throttle during games if i don´t disable turboboost.
     
    nunomoreira10, Oct 23, 2012
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  7. nipsen

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    ^that's the prochot control throttle. It's not.. really a very good idea to disable that. What the function does is that if either the cpu or the gpu becomes hotter than a set limit, then it hits the passive throttle limit, which will usually set the cpu down to 1.2Ghz, or the lower limit. There's another passive trip for the cpu typically at 95 degrees that will do the same thing.

    And since the cpu and gpu is typically put on the same cooling block, having that "bi-directional" trip-point makes a lot of sense. And disabling it very often just means that you're allowing the computer to run without very good cooling. Or, with cooling that doesn't transfer more heat out than it absorbs. That's going to damage your computer. And it's way too common that laptops are basically designed to run and hit the trip-points when the hardware is running at normal speeds.. So it's kind of an exception when one with actually good enough cooling turns up.

    (Btw, the panic while on battery, when you draw too much power, and the laptop will freeze up, etc - isn't about cooling or throttling functions in the bios.)
     
    nipsen, Oct 23, 2012
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    Ok thank you - so for the N56 to throttle it needed to have the "Extreme load scenario (Prime95 and Furmark, 100% CPU and GPU load for at least one hour)" which resulted in "At the start of the test, Intel's Core i7 still ran with the maximum speed of 3.1 GHz, but after a short time, it started to drop to 1.2 GHz repeatedly. As the hour wore on, clock speed remained at 1.2GHz for longer periods, and only jumped to higher clock speeds for very short periods of time, while processor temperatures reached 97°C" with the end results in the "Cinebench R11.5 test done immediately following the stress test reached an unexpected result of 5.9 points (the lower end of the 3720QM, because Turbo Boost was being used very little due to residual heat)."

    As you said, it could have been a bad paste job in either test unit - the one being the load of both Prime95 and Furmark and the other being just Prime95 in the case of the RMBP. Based on what you said though and look at the data - I couldn't say at least when it comes to the current generation of the 15" N Series laptops (and considering we're only talking about the RMBP it's not fair to look back further), that it throttles worse than the RMBP as you said "its not that easy to triguer as i made to see."

    If the reports were right, the time has come for the conference, but I don't see any news on it at the moment unfortunately - does anyone else?

    Thanks,
    Peter
     
    PJPeter, Oct 23, 2012
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    Many users say that Asus N56VZ tested by Notebookcheck is a faulty unit, but why some owner of N56VZ doesn't repeat that test?
    It's very simple to reproduce, and at the end the tester could post HWinfo64 log in this forum.
     
    [-Mac-], Oct 23, 2012
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  11. alfling

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    Here there is a countdown: maybe they will stream the conference? :D
     
    alfling, Oct 23, 2012
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  12. krayziehustler

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    that seems to be for the Vivo lineup. Hope they mention the Zenbook lineup too
     
    krayziehustler, Oct 23, 2012
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  13. zonkrf

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    icons on bottom anticipate what will be announced
    and seems there's a thin notebook
     
    zonkrf, Oct 23, 2012
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    Fingers crossed! Shame on them if they don't! :D
     
    alfling, Oct 23, 2012
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    qwerqwer99, Oct 23, 2012
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    Engadget has all these laptops announced btw no mention of the ZenBook. Hopefully their presentation does
     
    krayziehustler, Oct 23, 2012
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    All has gone quiet. The streaming website (imediamonkey) has also pulled off the live streaming article.
     
    oneforwall, Oct 23, 2012
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  18. Frozer

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    It is very strange indeed. I guess we will hear something at some point.
     
    Frozer, Oct 23, 2012
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    PickyPurchaser, Oct 23, 2012
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    Hurraah indeed!!
     
    oneforwall, Oct 23, 2012
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  21. Frozer

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    Seems like there are one with and one without:
    6mm at the front ; 19.7mm at the rear (non-touch)
    6mm at the front ; 20.0mm at the rear (touch)
     
    Frozer, Oct 23, 2012
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    7+ hours on the battery! WOO!
     
    raazman, Oct 23, 2012
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    Can't see any mentions of 650Ms...
     
    PickyPurchaser, Oct 23, 2012
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    The image seems of another product full keyboard (with numeric keyboard) is disappeared.
    Is this an official site?

    Inviato dal mio GT-I9100 con Tapatalk 2
     
    [-Mac-], Oct 23, 2012
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  25. nunomoreira10

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    Thats not the u500, it only has one usb3.0 on the left.
     
    nunomoreira10, Oct 23, 2012
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    http://[B]zenbook.asus.com[/B]/zenbook/?c=touch

    Yep, pretty legit.

    There are two versions: one with touch and one without.
     
    ceffect, Oct 23, 2012
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    So I'm guessing touch and matte won't come together?
     
    raazman, Oct 23, 2012
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    There is something of wrong...

    Inviato dal mio GT-I9100 con Tapatalk 2
     
    [-Mac-], Oct 23, 2012
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    Wonder how much the one with touch costs?
     
    srinath777, Oct 23, 2012
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    If ASUS canceled the GT650M ...
    I'll hate them!
     
    qwerqwer99, Oct 23, 2012
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  31. nunomoreira10

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    This is probably something like the ux31 and ux32, this one being the first.
    Atleast i hope so.
     
    nunomoreira10, Oct 23, 2012
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    Don't worry, they do have discrete Nvidia graphics:
    Asus Update
     
    oneforwall, Oct 23, 2012
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    According to that article the U500VZ is the one with a touch screen. Will be interesting to see if that is indeed true as that is the name of the one I have preordered.
     
    Frozer, Oct 23, 2012
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  34. oneforwall

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    When is the delivery date for you? U500VZ is the one with the touch, that's also visible at ASUS website itself.
     
    oneforwall, Oct 23, 2012
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    It's funny now they have changed the name another time U500VZ --> UX51VZ - -> U500VZ

    Inviato dal mio GT-I9100 con Tapatalk 2
     
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    Those two names have been synonymous. They were always the same thing, from the very beginning.
     
    raazman, Oct 23, 2012
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  37. Frozer

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    My delivery date got pushed to November 1st. Until today it was October 26th.
     
    Frozer, Oct 23, 2012
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  38. oneforwall

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    Darn it, it might be due to the Windows 8 release date of 28th of October.
     
    oneforwall, Oct 23, 2012
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    It's ridiculous that now this 15.6" laptop is out we don't know an official list of specs.

    Inviato dal mio GT-I9100 con Tapatalk 2
     
    [-Mac-], Oct 23, 2012
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    Frozer, Oct 23, 2012
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    Still no details about hard disks!!
     
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    Here you go:
    ASUS ZENBOOK™ Touch U500VZ U500VZ UX31A
    CPU Intel® Core™ 35W Standard Voltage QC i7-3612QM/i7-3632QM
    Operating System Windows 8
    Windows 8 Pro
    Z-height 6mm at the front ; 19.7mm at the rear (non-touch)
    6mm at the front ; 20.0mm at the rear (touch)
    Main Memory DDR3 1600MHz 4GB (on board)
    Screen 15.6" (16:9) with multi-touch screen (optional)
    Backlight/ Resolution 300nits 15.6” 16:9 FHD (1920 x 1080)
    Instant on Always resume in 2 seconds
    USB charger+ Y
    I/O port 1 x mini VGA port
    3 x USB 3.0 port
    1 x HDMI 1.4 (1080p support)
    1 x audio jack combo
    1 x SD card reader
    1 x subwoofer jack
    1 x RJ45
    USB3.0 3 Port
    SSD Generation Up to SATAIII 512GB SSD support RAID 0 technology
    BT Bluetooth 4.0
    Battery 70W (7+hrs)
    Mic Array microphone
    Keyboard 268 illuminated chiclet keyboard
    Camera HD 720p CMOS module
    Audio Built-in B & O ICEpower® audio system with external subwoofer
     
    oneforwall, Oct 23, 2012
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    Still no info on the GPU :(
     
    cotolay, Oct 23, 2012
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  44. Frozer

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    Well every retailer lists it. So if that is incorrect they will get into some trouble with not delivering the product as specified.
     
    Frozer, Oct 23, 2012
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    I have read this list and I don't see any dGPU.
    So I can't believe that is complete.
    Even the UX32 listed on that site is without dGPU.

    Inviato dal mio GT-I9100 con Tapatalk 2
     
    [-Mac-], Oct 23, 2012
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  47. cotolay

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    Retailers have different specs. Some list gddr 3, others gddr5.
     
    cotolay, Oct 23, 2012
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    What is the UX52vs?
     
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    Frozer, Oct 23, 2012
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    raazman, Oct 23, 2012
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