clevo vs asus?

which one do you guys think is better

im going to either get the new g51 or the w860

help???

(posting it in asus forum cause it gets more views.)

 

with the asus you can get more bang for your buck at lower prices, at the sacrifice of higher GPU temps. it really depends on how much you intend to spend, and which model of G51 you plan on getting.

 

the new g51 with the i7 mobile the 260m ect

 

since we don't really know the price of that yet besides rumors of a ~1450USD$ price tag, but, even at 1500$ it would be cheaper than the W860CU starting ay 1650$ with no OS, and only a 250GB HDD (compared to the asus w/ 500 GB HDD) the W860CU should run cooler, and it really is worth the price, so if you have the $ to get it, go ahead. if you're limited to 1500$ or so then the Asus is most likely your best bet. Oh and also, the sager starts at 2GB of ram, whereas the G51j I believe starts at 4GB of ram. so, in comparison: 1500$ USD for the G51 w/ 4GB of ram, 500GB HDD and win7 I believe. for the W860CU with 4GB of ram 500GB HDD and win vista home premium+ win7 coupon, 1850$+ shipping(price check at xotic). I could be wrong about this tho, would need xoticpc or gentechpc to confirm my analysis.

 

What EIement said would still hold true. The G51J is going to be a great laptop for it's price, which is rumored to be around $1,400. The w860 would be "stronger" as far gaming goes. Higher GPU and runs cooler. Although the w860 comes with less hard drive space. (250 vs 320, or 640 if it comes with two HDDs installed like A1.)

I typed too slow. >.>

 

If you can afford the Clevo, go for it. Otherwise, the Asus is a good deal.

 

oops I didn't even see it has the GTX280m instead of the 260m. I'd personally still go with the clevo, if I had the money to spend. its very worth it. especially if you get the barebones model and buy your own components.

 

im leaning towards asus because of the better warranty and because of my location; canada so i wont have to import it from the us. although, when buying from prostar that isnt really an issue. does any 1 know how many versions of the g51 with i7 there will be?

 

Just one at the moment. It may be a while before they decide to release any new versions.

 

I say wait til both are reviewed properly and make a decision. The asus will be significantly cheaper than the clevo (1400 vs 1600+), but may not be better (uses the same cooling as the original g51 and we all know what happens there). You should also keep in mind that the clevo has a gtx 280m and the asus, a gtx 260m. the clevo is a bit thicker than the asus and has a weaker battery. You could also check out eurocom. It's a canadian store and they offer the clevo (sager np8690).

 

The new sager is better BUT if they use the same screen as the European distributors, then it will be garbage. The Euro screen has horrible brightness (worse than Asus) and it completely destroys the value of the laptop in my opinion. However, if the US distributors use LG like they've done in the past, then the Clevo will easily be the better choice:

1. Upgradeable GPU (MXM 3.0b)
2. Better cooling
3. Better design
4. Better speakers
5. Slightly better GPU (280m)

The price difference would be more than offset by the gains. Asus offers better warranty and an OS but again, that's not really worth it if you're stuck with having to mod your own cooling system and cannot upgrade the GPU. Once arrandale and mobile fermi (GT 300) rolls around, I'll be selling this G51 and getting a 17" Sager.

 

The US versions will hopefully have the LG screens.

 

That's too bad the G51J won't have an upgradable MXM gpu. I figured that most or all of the gtx260s and 280s would be MXM compatible. That said, I'm not sure how the 15" sager/clevo will stack up to G51j in terms of bulk and size. Sager/clevos are usually big, heavy, and don't have backlit keyboards (yet), which I'd like to see change. I'd pay a premium for one of these companies to come out with a powerful notebook that was as thin as possible, made out of aluminum/magnesium and had aesthetic touches like the backlit keyboard. Hell, even the 15" alienware is more plasticy than the 17", if I'm reading correctly.

Asus' UL series has some great design, and I'd love to see that applied to a gaming-level laptop, with some enhancements.

 

I thought it does have an MXM GPU, but just that weird reversed thing that Asus does.

 

It uses an MXM socket and connector, but it's upside down and only Asus uses. In my book, that alone discludes it from being truely an MXM card.

 

Pretty much, they don't follow MXM standards. Proprietary anything always sucks and limits upgrade paths.

 

Asus uses MXM because they know that it is a good link architecture and because it is cost-effective to produce only one universal card that can be accepted in any compatible notebook. However, Asus flipped the connector so that they can keep the consumer base within their grasp of the market, meaning that the end-user can't purchase a "non-Asus" GPU to replace or upgrade in their notebook. In short, it was mainly for business.

 

Yep, they made it proprietary and limit their customers upgrade options to whatever Asus allows. Which to me is essentially the same as having no upgrade options at all. It's in Asus's interest to sell a new laptop to an old customer rather than let them buy a new video card.

 

so are you guys suspecting asus will downclock the 260m like the did on the other g51s?

 

If Ken is right that they use the same heatsink, then yes, it'll be downclocked.

 

Sager NP8690.

/thread.

 

End of discussion?

 

Yeah, I guess.

 

You can put two Harddrives in the Asus

 

You can put two hard drives in the NP8690 can't you? I'm not sure.

Sorry, I'm just being a Sager fanboy today, lol.

 

no I don't believe you can.


http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8690...aming-laptop-order-p-2659.html?wconfigure=yes


only 1 bay

 

m15x limited to one bay too

This actually works well for me since I can put in two 500GB.
I actually have to take vmwared servers on the road with me alot.

 

Soon they're coming out with higher capacity drives.

 

no matter how high the capacity, the asus will always be able to take 2x as much =p

 

I don't know about you, but I don't need more than a terabyte of storage inside my notebook--and I hear they're making those.

Unless Asus gets its heads out of its butt and makes sure to give adequete cooling to the G-Series, I'm drifting over to Clevo once the new i7s and next-gen GPUs mature.

Not that I don't love my G51.

 

I plan on getting a W870CU eventually myself, but thats another story =p. I can eat up 1TB of space with less than half of my movies/music. lol

 

For me I am still tossing around the idea of a Clevo:

m15x is out of my mix now. Just too pricey and only 1 bay.
m17x is out. No i7. No LED display. Pricey.

NP8690 is out. Close, but only one drive bay. Better GPU 280
NP8760 may be a go. No illuminated keyboard (I work in the dark alot, so this is more of a feature rather than flash) Two HD bays though.
NP9850 & NP9280 are great in that they can hold 3 HDs, but no portability whatsoever.

g51j - this is my top choice so far. 2 HD bays. LED screen. illuminated keyboard.

What I really like about my Asus (I have the g50v from Best Buy) is that this thing is really solid. I generally move it around alot and it still feels as solid and tight as from the day I bought it. I have had Clevos and Alienwares in the past. For me, the Clevos are the poorest as far as build quality. The hinges crack after time and the notebook feels bulky like a loose bag of components. The Alienware (m9700) bluescreened alot and felt kind of bulky too. Maybe the Clevos have gotten better, but I am waiting for reviews. With Alienware, I spent 3 grand on that fiasco. Oh well, enough of my whining. So far, Asus 51j #1, Sager NP8760 #2. I'll see how the reviews read.

 

What's with all the storage e-peen? My 250GB 7200.4 is more than enough for my use.

Anyway, here's my reasoning why I will not be going for the W870CU.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5361611&postcount=188
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5363354&postcount=194
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5364145&postcount=198

That depends on which Clevo you're referring to. Clevo has had some bad apples in the past such as the D900K, but all of their current notebooks are golden. The same goes with Alienware. As much as I hate Alienware, the Dell takeover has revived the quality of their notebooks to what they are now by paying Quanta to R&D a better notebook that isn't rubbish like the M9700. The M17x was a good debut back into the niche upper tier gaming market.

 

W860CU is completely out of the running for me because it uses an AUO screen (a manufacturer I loathe). Hopefully the W870CU offers something better since it will be a 17" display. Plus I'd rather have better speaker options and dual HDDs that would be offered on the 17". I doubt I will buy another Asus until they get their act together and offer better cooling, less kiddy aesthetics and they stop cutting corners on their gaming notebooks. I'm tempted to go W870CU as soon as it's released but then I know I'll be kicking myself once fermi is released.

 

Clevo is using AUO panels because LG hasn't released their higher resolution 16:9 15.6 inch LED panels yet. I'd sit on it until next year if I were you.

 

Well W870CU is the one I'll be going for whenever it gets the mobile fermi. I'm hoping the 17" displays are not AUO.

 

If per chance that the W870CU ships with AUO panels and they turn out to be garbage, you can always replace it with an LG panel yourself. On the M570TU, users had LG and AUO panels and both of them use the same 30 pin connector, so the option to swap was available. However, it is still too early to tell.

 

Yeah I guess I could but I don't want to spend the extra money for the LG. I'd rather have a top of the line CCFL instead of a low end LED with horrible viewing angles and washed out colors.