just put together a z63a, very dissapointed with the screen

The screen is sharp, and bright enough, the colors just suck, they look very unnatural and the tint is all off.

I wish I knew if this is a general problem with the nb’s screen or if I have some sort of defect, I cant exactly return it because I think the colors are off.

 

im not at all dissappointed with my screen.

ordered it from proportable, didnt assemble it myself

 

Thats just the way the screen is even if you tilt your head the colors change very limited viewing angle. there colors arent uniform throughout the screen right like the center might look good or the bottum or the top depending how the screen is tilted but never the whole thing? Is that what you are talking about or is the colors just completly wack like the reds are off and blues and greens.

 

I've tried it with all sorts of angles, not too extreme of course cause that's pointless, but I've had no complaints. Its just as good as or better than my sister's compaq v2000z, sure might not be up to fujistsu quality, but its **** good never-the-less.

If you are having an issue with the stock colour setup, I'm sure there are utilities to modify the tint and what not, but I could be wrong.

 

i dont mean to make the screen sound horrible its comparable to any 14.1in in viewing angle respects. Its only when you compare to a 15.4 in screen that you can see how much of a difference there is in quality.

 

Maybe my problem is that im comparing it to a 19 inch CRT, but i find that the colors jut dont look right, regardless of the viewing angle. You cant really tell unless you're looking at photographs or movies. The saturation, contrast, brightness all loook great, but the tones of the colors just dont look right, especialy skin tones. .

 

LCD's will never match CRT's in terms of quality in terms pf pictures

 

I dunno coriolis, i have a 500 dollar lcd minitor i got a year ago and the colors are much better than what i see with this asus...

Based on the high praise ive seen for this notebooks screen, i mjust have gotten one from a different batch or something of that sort...

 

laptop monitors cant really be compared to a desktop in any way. You can adjust the color profile red white and blue. there are some monitor calibration programs out there. but notebooks will never be the same. although i have to say on the z70v asus and my compaq 15.4 brightview i have no issues with the colors being off. although i have noticed on 14.1 in screens from asus and HP that the colors arent quite as accurate. more dull i think.

 

Err, I meant laptop LCD's heh.

Could be a defective screen but I doubt it...

 

I concur. This problem has been exhibited to varying degrees by both Z63A and W3A/N/V models. My first W3V, photographically documented in the long 'disappointed with screen' thread, was so bad that I returned it. The retailer agreed the screen was defective. In that case, severe light leakage was present, turning blacks to greys and washing out light colours.

My second (current) W3V is substantially better, but still not very good. It's definitely the worst aspect of the laptop. Colour reproduction is way off compared with my 2405FPW, despite extensive software calibration (I found that the blue needed to be turned down by 30%, as did the gamma). Basically I have two choices: turn the brightness down to minimum, see even blacks, but suffer from whites that look like browns and a general lack of contrast; or... turn brightness up a bit, have horrible darks and somewhat more discernable (though visibly washed out) lights. From what I understand, this is a problem common to most 14.1" TFTs.

 

take a pic of the screen and colors and post it, that'll probably be easier for us to comment on.

 

You cant take a picture to document color reproduction, are you kidding? Far too many variables; your screens, my camera, the lighting, the glare etc.

Suffice it to say that i am not a professional video guy by any mean and while perhaps extensive calibration would allow me to have more accurate color reproduction, as it is now, the colors are way off.

Im just curious if it’s a problem that is common to this notebook or if mine is slightly out of spec.

 

Ah... finally someone else than can learn and compare from a project I did for other members......... I can't tell you whats up with your notebook because I don't know if the screen is really wrong or you're crazy....... honestly, think about it......... it's either one or the either. I think out of all the W3 (z63) notebooks sold in the world (just in the US it's been 5-6,000)..... We've only heard of what, 5-6 screen complaints if you count yours. I know for a fact atleast 1 screen turned out to be fine (because I used it for comparison to our reference display) and 2, including Janni's is from outside the US. So I'm pretty sure we're talking about something that isn't normal and may effect 0.05% of these screens. Unlucky, yes. Normal, certainly not.

Now, you can reproduce a lot...... especially if you have any photographic talent at all. Take a look at my demonstration and use it for your own comparison. It's not exactly directed towards you, but rather towards backlight and view angles in the dark. However, they can be duplicated with all the settings I provided.

Good luck with it.

http://www.proportable.com/w3vdemo.html

 

PROPortable,

You are always very quick to defend Asus, which is understandable they are a big part of your livelihood.

Just because you have not seen many complaints does not imply that I’m crazy. People have different expectations for color quality and some may not consider this worth mentioning.

Personally, I would have not said anything had I not seen so much praise directed at this screen, which is in my opinion on the mediocre side.

It seems to me people are mesmerized by the screen’s brightness and shininess and forget there are other more important qualities a screen needs to have.

I went to bestbuy today and took a look at some laptops and this screen is definitely a step down from the sony s series and hp dv1000 and this is with me letting the viewing angle issues slide.


If anything, this is a lesson for me, I should have found a shop that had z63a’s in stock and checked out the screen before I purchased the nb.

 

Buddy, I've had more experience with Asus' units than you have and trust me, my defense of Asus is only when it's something I truly believe in. I didn't call you "crazy" meaning that you were...... I'm simply stating that if you do see a problem, then it's probably legitimate and you should get it taken care of because it's not normal... that's something I would think you'd like to hear I'm sure you want it to be better. If you really want to do some comparing, the screen being used on the hp dv1000 is actually supposed to be the closest thing you can compare to as sony doesn't have a 14" screen. A friend of PROPortable and webmaster on another site is a manager at a best buy in the midwest. He said from the people he's shown the hp dv1000 and his w3v to, they preferred the brightness and colors of the Asus, but of all screens they are the most comparable. So much so that he suggested sending people to best buy to check out the dv1000 and to tell them if they liked that screen, they'll certainly be satisfied with the W3v. Now, as you should know the W3v and the Z63a have the same screen, so obviously the same holds true.

If it's not up to par, RMA it because I can assure you something isn't right..... but before you criticize the rest of the forum by basically saying this is mediocre and they don't have the standards you do.... consider that the folks in the forum know what they're talking about and they're not just a bunch of teenage kids who don't understand the need for accurate color reproduction for high end graphics..... myself included. Looking down on our views certainly isn't going to get you far and I'm only saying this to push you to realize you must have a bad screen... period.

You've only signed up sometime here in September and only have a handful of posts under your belt. I doubt that you could really understand the dynamic of this forum in that period of time.... and if you've trolled the forum forever like others have claimed, you honestly should have spoken up and asked a lot more questions before making your purchase. That's what this forum is here for and anyone who makes a purchase completely on their own and then is not 100% happy has no one to blame but themselves and often look past the obvious.... like something is wrong with my unit, instead of thinking their standards are higher than the rest of the Asus community.


*EDIT*

Someone please tell me WHY typing dv1000 automatically creates a link? I certainly don't want to support that.

 

Question for you justin. You say that the w3v and z63a share the same screen which is what i personaly think as well. But in the portable one forum ivan from portableone was talking about their version of the w3v and i compared the screen to the z63a and he went to do some checking and said there were multiple scree makers for the w3v and listed the part numbers and makers. and the z63a had a completly different manufacturer and part number. are these screens the same or different and are some people getting better screens then other maybe if they are different makers?

from the portable one forum
You are incorrect SRD, the z63 is built on a bare bones/whitebox W3 footprint, major differences between the two are the Z63 is built on a plastic chassis (it does have a carbon/alloy lid), different motherboard and different matte type LCD display, made by a completely different LCD manufacturer, plus the different color scheme …Okay SRD, I have asked one of our engineers who work closely with Asus here in the bay area and per the parts details they forwarded to me, Asus uses a few different LCD's for various W3 Series lines, a couple of the series LCD's are made by Samsung and another series made by AUO. And looks like we do have a couple of Z63's in house I can compare now that you have my curiosity going.


Yes I work at P1, and you are correct that the Z63a's have a glare type display, but looking at the Z63a eval here it does not look quite as good as the W3v we on the floor and per our service manuals for ordering spare parts for the machines, Asus has 5 different panels for the various W3 Series, see below, and they do not have separate ordering info for the Z63a's so not sure which one is used on the Z63a unless I have a service guy take one apart, but they are not going to take one apart to settle this string.

Further, Fujitsu does not make LCD's for notebooks, for their CV screens they use 4 different manufacturers, if you want to know which LCD is for which Series you can ask us here we are Fujitsu largest Service Center in North America and it sounds like you are getting incorrect info from your sources..


W3N-1A LCD 14.0/WXGA- 70-NCB1L1001
W3A-2B LCD 14.0/WXGA/AS 70-NCA1L1100
W3V-1C LCD 14.0/WXGA 70-NCC1L1101P
LCD TFT 14.0' WXGA 18-2414063A0
LCD TFT 14.0' WXGA 18-241400000Q

 

Spoken from people who have sold the W3 for what a month now? Yes the W3 and ALL Asus notebooks have as many as 6 different panels that are used world wide. In the US, we may see as many as 3, but only 2 that I've been aware of. There are multiple part numbers based on different makes and models that are used, but all the glaretype screens are still built to the same specs and requirements. This is not something new to any industry or product...... they're all done by bid. As I said a while back, even though Asus and Fujitsu co-developed the entire technology, fujitsu was sourcing the parts and they multiple screen makers who have physically made the panels for them. The number one panel that is used in the US for the w3v and the Z63a is the samsung panel.

These people want to tell you that the Z63a uses a matte type display (w3v and z63a are both glare type, number 1)? I meant that alone is complete BS and there isn't a sole who has one who would agree to that statement.... they don't sell Z63a's (do they) and the W3v's they sell, they talk up as if it's completely rebuild and "better" than Asus' W3 and not just a stock W3v w/ a 7200rpm hard drive which is exactly what Asus will confirm for you. They want to talk about "build" and yet they don't have clue. The W3v and Z63a share the SAME 3 of 4 case parts, with the exception of the lid. The lid on the W3v is a black anodized brushed aluminum, whereas the Z63a is the same carbon fiber embedded plastic that the rest of the chassis is made out of.... To say the Z63a isn't built on a plastic chassis but has a "carbon/alloy lid"...... what are they talking about? The carbon fiber embedded plastic that 90% of Asus' systems have been built on in the last two years is what is commonly considered a "carbon fiber chassis"..... it's embedded in an abs plastic as all fabrics need a resin of some sort, but it doesn't diminish the characteristics of the material for the use in computers at all. However, plastic and just plastic are an entirely different story. If you wish to take the Z70v verses the Z71v, the carbon fiber Z70v chassis makes for at least a 1/2 pound lighter and thinner system than the Z71v which is just plastic... next thing they'll want you to believe is their custom hard drive heat shielding is anything more than reflective thermal tape that you could pick up at the local hardware store for maybe $2 and you could make 100 of your own custom w3 hard drive heat insulators.........

Not to get all excited or anything, but the entire marketing treatment of these notebooks by certain companies which is so glaringly misleading to anyone who know exactly what's going on, should make your skin crawl. Apparently it works, so you can't fault it that much....... but I'll pass on the plate of BS please.

 

For fujistu products i would say go to them. but for asus no way listen to the stuff in their forums.
Do people believe this crap?
I swear i read someone someone said it will run like 10 degrees cooler or something of that sort which i seriously doubt i mean there is only so much space in a w3a w3v to dissapate heat.
Having just emailed Ivan, Patrick and Victor at PortableOne.com, I can confirm that the new PortableOne MX is everything that the W3V owner wished he was getting, namely:

The ability to upgrade and customize without voiding the warranty; a slathering of Artic Silver 5 to keep the cpu cool; custom-built, strategically-located graphite thermal foils to improve heat dissipation and reduce heat (especially around the hdd); rigorous quality assurance testing on site by the vendor instead of in some factory in Thailand; and a superior software suite.

I have been wanting a W3V for some time but for the same price, this new MX blows it out of the water. To borrow an analogy from PortableOne's Ivan Gospich, it's as if Mercedes started selling its AMG-branded supercars for their corresponding model's baseprice. Fantastic.

 

Justin,

I don’t claim to be a mainstay in this forum the way you are but, having lurked here for a few months I think I have a decent idea of forum’s “dynamic.” Having actually seen this notebook first hand, I can see that this dynamic entails the same blind zealotry that is so prevalent in other internet communities. YES, it’s a good notebook, but it has the same problems with its construction quality as any other notebook. The plastic squeaks, the weight is poorly distributed, and the magnetic latch is too tight to open with one hand which defeats its entire purpose (try a sony with a similar system). Bottom line, it is by no means head and shoulders above other mainstream notebooks as many others have stated.

There are technical problems too; the heat, the poorly functioning dvd burner(I got the Toshiba not sure if I lucked out or not), and as I have said before, the screen.

Now with the exception of the screen, I knew most of these issues from reading this and other forums. I still chose to purchase the whitebook kit because I was in the mood for a project and I would get a 2.3 ghz, 1 gig of ram, 80 gig hardrive notebook with a dvd burner for $1100… that’s much more computer for my money than id get purchasing a similar hp, sony, gateway, averatec etc...

Those were my reasons… why someone would pay a significant premium to purchase such a system from one of the resellers, such as you or geared2play I simply do not understand. Unless your putting the asus together yourself you can get a system from one of the aforementioned companies for a cheaper price than a similarly equipped asus. And despite what many in this forum would have you believe, the other companies are well within asus’s league.

 

... you emailed them so that's "the truth"..... Try a different analogy like using a synthetic instead of a natural oil ... and the use of sun shade to keep your leather seats cool......... they're not air conditioned or anything.... these are little things that do very little and anyone with a W3 can do the same thing for under $10 and an hours worth of work...... If the overall performance was better, the weight lower, and the screen better....... then you could begin to try the AMG analogy... but it's not.

On to the $1100 Z63a w/ 2.3ghz cpu, 1gb of ram, 80gb hard drive and dvd burner..... I'll call your BS and raise you an "I don't so"... a Z63 barebone is a $600 unit by itself and a 2.3ghz pentium-m is a $700 part alone........ and these are at quantity wholesale prices which is just giving you the benefit of the doubt..... that's $1300 and you haven't bought the RAM, HDD, ODD (which would be at least another $350) not to mention an OS or a warranty...... You got an unreal deal and if I were you I'd buy more of them up and sell them because you'd make an unbelievable profit for this industry.

 

It's a 1.7 Pentium M that runs perfectly at 2.3 with the 533mhz bus hack.

CPU:200
Ram:100
Hd:105
whitebook:700
wifi:20

Total: 1125$

I call bs on the insane prices you charge for an assembly process that took me 30 minutes and I’ve never seen the notebook before.


Granted, i wouldnt expect you to sell oc'd cpus but you prices are stil high even when compared your 1.7 ghz notebooks.

 

Now that is completely wrong. I built mine for about $1400, and I haven’t seen a notebook anywhere near that price with anywhere near the build quality. I am getting my MBA right now, where every student has a notebook, and I’ve seen just about all of them. Those with the $2000 + Dell Latitudes are the most, for lack of better words, impressed with the Z63A. In fact, there is a new HP right behind me (during a class) that has this annoying whine to it. The HP’s also have this wonderful trampoline keyboard flex to them.

I don’t mean to diminish your comments – well, yes I do - but I searched for months and looked at almost every manufacturer before buying the Z63A. I’ve gotta tell you, I could have spent much more and still would be just as elated about the notebook.

BTW - what was that hooey about a "matte" screen? Mine must be the glossiest matte screen in the history of notebooks!

 

Try to pull a fast one and then say you have a 1.7ghz "running" at 2.3....... whatever. We run a business and not a charity and I don't think anyone would try to hide that.... but you can't call bull**** on our prices as they are really there and you pay for a service of building, testing and warranting from someone with a reputation, unlike your 2.3ghz cpu which when I called your bluff is now just a $500 cheaper 1.7ghz...

Enjoy the forum and good luck getting your screen replaced as you obviously have recieved a bad one.

 

Justin i didnt make the amg analogy i cut and pasted that post. i dont compare pcs to cars.

 

I believe that the email that he quoted did not mean to say that z63a's have matte screens but just a different type of glare screen. The email does call the screen a 'matte' but the author also admits that it is indeed a glaretype; however, it is seemingly different from the glaretype on the w3v. All of the details ensuing details in the email regarding model numbers and such are meant to prove this point. I dont know if this is true or not but I think a lot of people just read to the matte part and skipped to the end.

Also, I think people's preconception of the w3v/z63a have caused them a lot of grief. The w3v is indeed a fine machine and is definitely superior to its competitors. However, it is in no way perfect, as no machine is. Yet people expect them to be perfect and when they aren't they are naturally dissapointed. If Asus owners worshipped their laptops as much as Apple users do (and some Asus owners do already ), then there would be absolutely no complaints and all praise. Fortunately, not all Asus owners are so blinded by their convictions that they are not able to see some obvious faults.

 

Yeah, I realized that... I was just responding to what you pasted in your post..... I often use analogies to describe how an Asus unit would compare to something else..... but never to try to BS someone to believe that our unit is better than one someone else sells. They very well may be doing a couple things to "better" the unit, but all the while you lose Asus' two year global warranty. Asus told us that the units P1 is selling were bought as stock units, just like any of the Asus dealers who decide to let customers customize their unit has to buy. Offering their own warranty which replaces Asus' that they voiding in the process (ie: at least someone in our true Asus family like Startech)... It's a service, but it depends on what what you believe it the right thing to do. For some people it's a matter of what's gained, and for us it's matter of what's lost.

They very well may be using a "custom graphite thermal barrier" or whatever, but from the space inside and the actual use of the piece...... thin reflective thermal tape that is used on air conditioning ducts is all that is needed to do the same thing, if that's not really what's being used already. My biggest gripe about that is it's reflecting all the heat that's coming off the hard drive and pushing it back into the hard drive. Your palms might be a little cooler when they run a 7200rpm drive, but the days in the life of that drive are certainly numbered because the heat has to go somewhere.... it doesn't take a genius to realize that. They call a lot of the other "stock" w3v parts by very lavish sounding names...... but they're still stock. Their reasoning for leaving Asus' name on the lid speaks wonders. Someone posted here they said it was to "pay homage" to the people who built it.... Ok, well blank lids could have been ordered on these units if they did infact want to brand their own own units.... you just can't do that when you buy off the shelf units from Asus.... If you can't do that, you're not using different screens, or cpu/gpu cooling devices or any of the other ridiculous claims they want to make...... artic silver will give you a couple degree drop (fact) in cpu temps, and reflective thermal tape will cool down your wrists (if they are hot), while heating up the hard drive more and therefore hurting performance.

 

You hit that right on the head Ray...... and I think hit it home with the comparison to Apple users......... We all know the faults of Apple's systems and all them seem to be completley non-existant to Apple owners.... it's a cult thing. I don't even believe that Asus' units are perfect - and agian you said it right when you said no machine is (it's designed and made by human being afterall) You have "faults" and then you have things that you wish could be "better". Those things that could be better are more what you'll find on and Asus unit rather than anything else. The typical Asus buyer is obviously expecting more and that puts everyone in this forum into another bracket altogether.... someone complaining about heat on a unit that is a little powerhouse is expecting a lot as some things are just science...... magnets being too strong to open a lid with one hand is up there too...... it's a great idea and is meant to simplify the design and keep the lid closed at the same time...... no one said it was for one handed operation, but that's the nit picky type of thing people will complain about when they have nothing else to pick at. Screens are the best thing to pick at (I mean everyone wants whatever they have to be more powerful, to weigh less and to get more battery life) but, for the most part people want to sit and compare screens to what they think are better and usually they never pick the same size or ratio or type of screen......... but it's a point of conversation nontheless. You could search for any model notebook by any other company and you're bound to find 50% of people who love it to death and 50% of people who despise the thing more than anything on earth. finding someone who hates Asus' units is like finding a needle in a haystack and that says more than anything else. Technology will continue to evolve and Asus isn't going anywhere but up.

 

Justin,
Congratulations on calling my bluff, though sadly at most you have me on an issue of semantics.

Regrettably I should have stated that I have a Pentium M running AT 2.3ghz and for that I apologize. My point still stands however, unless you build an Asus yourself there are better deals to be had on notebooks from companies you simply can’t compete with on a price and efficiency basis.

You make it seem as though you would have had no issues exchanging my notebook for something as minor as a subjective tint issue. Not only do I find that hard to believe but, I as a customer would be unwilling to part with a notebook I need for work for something that in all likelihood is not a defect but a general inadequacy in the product. Do you honestly think I cant disassemble the computer and exchange the whitebook through my reseller? It’s simply not worth it for me at this point, I would rather deal with this issue and have a product that I like in most other respects.

Don’t misunderstand me I am not ****ting on Asus or your company for the hell of it, I am simply stating what I believe to be the truth. A lot of the people here hold Asus in an unrealistically high regard, much like Mac aficionados do with their powerbooks.

I just priced an HP dv1000 online with a 1.7 pentium M, 512 megs of ram, dvd burner, 60gig harddrive, etc for about 1100 dollars. If you take a look at the computer at a store it is at least as solidly built as the z63a, has better sound output, a more reliable burner, a remote control, and in my opinion a better screen. A Z63a from you with the same parts costs at least 1300.

Those are the numbers, there are quality notebooks in the same or lower price range as an assembled z63a.

 

Sagester, I still can’t believe you are comparing the Asus to an HP. That particular model is the exact one I repeatedly show my wife as an example of "the crap I almost bought" when at the gadget stores.

Yes, Asus fans are fanatic, with high expectations. There are faults with the Z63A (sound volume, uh, there should be an "etc." here but I can't think of any other faults at this time ). I’m not the type to unjustly defend a product to protect me from buyer’s remorse; I just think it is silly that you keep insisting on comparing the Z63A to the dv1000. I haven’t seen an off-the-shelf notebook that beats an Asus in terms of quality. That’s why after almost 6 months of looking I finally ended up with an Asus.

 

The z63a sqeaks alittle ill give you that. but it is also stronger carbon fiber than the HP it has newer ddr2 memory. optical out much better keyboard and touch pad. modular bay. and just is better pc by far i just dont like the screen. but u really can only compare the screen of the two anything else the asus is by far better.

 

Let me put an end to this topic. Right now i got 2 z63a's returned for a refund. Both are identical (btw they are on sale 10% off). Both customers complained of shady screens. This has been a very successfull model for us. 3rd most popular. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the screen. One was returned by a customer for unspecified reasons but i am guessing he was not used to glossy screens. The other was returned by a customer who claimed the z70v he returned as well was too loud. Needless to say the z70v is one of the more silent notebooks i ve seen that are designated in the gamer line up. His complaint was that there is no sweet spot view angle and the colors are wahed out. He sent in 2 pictures. One had the entire lower half washed out and the other had the top and bottom washed out. On the pic it almost looks like light leekage. After 2 days of use i came to a conclusion. The z63 and w3 screens are pretty much like the rest of the glossy type displays. One notable quality is that its highly reflective. IN a dark room the screen has a sour spot at a 90 degree view angle. In a dark room it has to be positioned at 100 or more or 80 or less for the screen to "APPEAR" evenly lit. The customer also stated that none of the other screens he ooked at in a major retailer had this quality. MY only question was how he got the retailer to turn the lights off. Anyways make a long story short. In a mediam to well lit room the screen looks very even with some reflection but the brighness compensates. In a dark room you need to adjust your self to the fact that it has a sweet spot. Other then that i think the screen is excellent. Good luck finding another glare type with no "problems"

 

The thing is though why are the 14.1 in screen so different than say a 13.3in sony im not comparing the two directly but that screen that sony uses has a much wider viewing angle and even in the dark you dont get the same bad effect u get with say a dv1000 or a w3v,then as soon as u jump even to a glossy 15.4in the same prob doesnt happen what is it about the 14.1 screen that makes it look that way in the dark. But i have to say even with wallpapers in a fully lighted room the picture was off on the z63a i had. the colors would be right on the center top or bottum not all at once i could tell because just moving my head an inch would change the whole colors on the screen to me that not exceptable. But i wont critisize asus for that because other brands have the same issue with that screen size. i just dont understand why as soon as u jump to a 15.4 in the picture quality increases so much.

 

This is perhaps the biggest load of crap i ve ever heard. i dont know what your deal is. You may be a master in computers but most people are not. WHy would someone pay us an extra 100$ for a dealer warranty i belive was your question? For the same reason most people preffere buyong their cars from dealers and not from auctions. For a smart guy with a seemingly hi iq you seem to miss a HUGE obvious. When you harddrive breaks and you need one overnighted at without spending more money on a new one your going to kick your self in the a$$. When your notebook fries and you dont know what could be the problem and have absolutely nobody to turn to and asus is anable to offer you anything but rma you will miss a good dealer. When your drive fried and you need data off it and you are forced to pay for recovery you will miss a good dealer who would have done it for free. When you need any replacement part overnight you will miss your dealer. When your notebook breaks after 1 year and 1 day you will miss your dealer who offered the extended warranty. Point is you will not miss a good dealer if your notebook never acts up. Hope that answers your question. By the way asus policy is for dealer to service their whitebooks. They will service it for you but dont expect any expert knowledge in their product and dont expect any advanced treatment. Whitebooks are designated DEALER product and serviced by dealers.

 

In fact eddie to show you what im talking about go over to divx.com download the divx software and download the HD trailer for madagascar however you spell it cartoon. now sit down and watch the trailer. You will notice that and any given point on the dark scenes of the city the top part of the building have inverted colors but the bottum will look good. but move your head and the bottum messes up and the top looks good. then watch that movie on a z70v or something. You will see right away the difference and it makes no difference if the room is lit or not. just to show you where im coming from at least.

 

SRD
Have not seen any 15" glossy screen except for a grappy gateway. Thats screen was ok but it had its own problems. As for a sony i ve seen a 10" with a very moderate effect most likely becuase its alot smaller. In a moderate to hi lit room i did not notice what you did. You know how some people can see and hear better perhaps you can see things most people cant. I ll admit i am not very good with colors. For every complaint about this screen I get atleast a dozen or so people who love it. I am not going to say that this screen is perfect. I love it. This screen is different. For some it takes getting used to for others there is no way to get use to it. Most feel the same way I do. The screen gives an apearance of better quality. Thats not to say it will please everyone. Read the reviews. There are dozens from knowledgeble people that feel its a great screen.

 

SRD
Did you try watching this clip at a 100 degree or above angle? Try that and tell me if you still notice the same? Then try 80 degree or below. Notice that 80 degree angles seems to be heck of alot brighter but very even while 100 or above a bit darker but even? 90 degree is the sour spot here. What do you think? Am i just holucinating or is this the case? How does it look in a well lit room?

 

I cant test it again because i sent it back to you. but i did show other people just to make sure it wasnt just me and they all noticed right away i tried from every angle possible im not new to computer or laptops i know about viewing angles and all that. The laptop is fine i just wasnt happy with it. Most other people would be though i know that. Sometimes i hate knowing as much about pcs and such because i have higher expectations then most. As for the comment why would you buy from a dealer. First i would concider myself a pc expert I could build a laptop without a prob and i bought from a dealer geared2play actually. First off i think especially geared2play your prices are reasonable. 2 If anything goes from i can get a part without having a to wait 3 weeks for a HD to get back to me or memory or whatever the dealer worries about it not me. 3 If i wasnt happy with it i got to return it which for me im willing to pay more for just that because i am so picky not like i can just go see and asus laptop without going to NY. So i bought mine and i returned it to eddie who was great. I wasnt happy with the screen and eddie gave me my money back minus 10% which i understand completly because of all the expenses. Now If the smart person who started this thread no offence to you of course had done that he could have happily returned the laptop and bought something else he would be more happy with. so you may have saved some money building it but you are out of luck because its wasted money as you arent happy at all with it and im sure it will only annoy you more over time.

 

Ha small world. Your Jeff i am guessing? Very good point. An exchange policy is a nice bonus. By the way your refund was just put through. I dont belive it has come through yett you have to give it a few more days for the cc or paypal to reflcet the changes. Let me know how you like your next glare type and what you though of it if you still decide to go with glare display.

 

No my name is steve the one that caused u grief with the z63a and z70v. which is a def a fine pc and screen just backlighting in that hurt my eyes.

 

Ha ha
No steve your from a long time ago. We had a new one who did the same exact thing you had. Got the z70v. Exchanged it becuase he thought it was too noisy......Got the z63a returned it becuase he thought it was unevenly lit.....Which it is under certain angles. As i said the sour spot in the dark is 90 degrees. I am surprised your still here. Figured you moved on to bigger and badder names

 

I don't usually jump into threads like this on my own websites or here but the time has come.

Somehow I thing we are mixing 2 different subjects.

One is the mooch factor (I may not win any friends with this one) but Proportable and Geared to play are businesses that perform a great service. I see on this forum many people mooching for $25 to go here or there. I say if you want the best pay for it. You want Sony pay the money ( a LOT more than Asus). You want Asus (the best laptop I have ever owned) you call or write and pay the money but to search and search to save pennies means you have too much time on your hands.

Now for the screens. This is not a perfect science. I am an advertising man not a computer guru but I think we are hashing this to death. If you want a glare type screen, BUY IT! If you want a matte screen BUT IT!

To compare view angles of a Sony to an Asus....what are you gumby viewing from across the table....I don't know about you folks but I usually sit in front of my computer and use it...it is that simple.

I bought a Z33 and it is too small for me personally. I just sold it on the Buy-Sell-Trade forum and the gentleman is paying by credit card. Now I can buy a new Z61 from proportable.com because I want the next size up. It won't be as light and small but I will like the screen size better and I want a matte screen rather than a glare type.

Am I going to spend hours trying to save a nickel...NO. I will have Justin put it together as the best I can get. No games, no mooching...I will pay my money and get a well built Asus Z61 with a warranty shipped to me.

Why do some make it so difficult....and by the way Justin, if 12 different manufacturers make the screen, it doesn't matter to me as long as it is matte.

Just my 2 cents...thank you

Elliot

 

You stole the "brain fart" out of my mouth. Simple people simple demands simple........ I am a simple guy so for me not to like a screen takes alot of things. I ve seen a few that i did not like personally. One on asus z80k. I have never had a complaint about any other from asus. I use the z31 (m5n). You though it was too small? I think its just right. A blind man once said "i can not call it ugly unless i can see it". Well i just made that up but point is we all see things differently. I must say I REALLY love the z63a screen. No complaints on my part. I am also the same guy who had no complaints on the z71v screen. If I was a little more sensetive i rpolly would.

 

Screen company in todays world is a non-issue....... with bid work being done, if the screen doesn't meet their requirements it's not going to be accepted. You could put these screens next to each other and never tell the difference and at most, the color profiles might need to be adjusted, but they screens all have the same brightness, contract, viewing angles, power consumption, weight, etc....... it's not like this design verses that design built by two different places.... it's one design and spec built by various places to the same design, to keep the price down. When the government does bid work, they usually go with the lowest bidders, but the end result is expected to be the same or they don't accept the product.... Asus builds notebooks for many other places and there are only a handful of good screen builders in the world and everyone uses everyone one of them......... they just submit different projects to them and they use different grade panels based on the project. When it comes to panels that are going on a single unit, they will all but impossible to tell apart. Even if you had three of them sitting right next to each other..... we've done it.

 

I like the W3V screen. Its very nice. Viewing angles are kinda bad, but other than that its a very nice screen.

 

Eddie,

My point was why someone would pay several hundred dollars extra to have a warranty form a small reseller rather than from a large company like hp.

Reread my post i said that an asus is only worthwhile from a price standpoint if you build it yourself exactly for that reason.



May i ask you guys, why you think the z63a is so superior to the dv1000? im not even arguing at this point, just curious.

 

Because one it is stronger material by far. 2 has a optical out. has a much better keyboard and touchpad better battery life you have to buy the 12 cell for the hp that comes out the bottum. has a modular bay for extra battery or lighter weight. takes dd2 memory. and thats about it i think. but the screen is so so i agree with u on that.

 

Sagester - I was looking at the z63a vs a DV1000. Equal specs, the DV1000 was less expensive by roughly $200. However, I was not impressed with it when I saw a few models this weekend. Maybe it was bad luck, but both DV1000s had signifcant flex in the keyboards.

After having seen several laptops around the office crack, build quality is important to me. I can pick up a Toshiba M55 with a 1.7 P-M, 512MB RAM, 100GB 5600RPM HD and 14" glossy WXGA for $1050 after rebates. Sounds like a fantastic deal. However, the build quality is terrible. The plastic feels like it's going to break easily and the keyboard flexes as if intentionally designed to give way.

I've seen a Vaio hit the ground hard enough to eject the battery pack - no marks, no errors, no problems. Build quality concerns started me towards the Asus line. The individuality/style also appeal to me. The last factor is the personal support from Asus dealers. Justin at ProPortable is a great example.

Are build quality, style and personal support worth an extra $200? That's up to you.

 

Just to be clear, is the z63 in the same carbon fiber chasis as the w3v is?

 

Its the same physically, just without the brushed aluminum lid.