[NEWS] Studio XPS 15 and XPS 17 !!

It is all controlled by the supply chain and internal dealings of the B2B chain.

Its just analogous to you getting a Ferrari bundled with X's inferior tires because of Ferrari having so and so obligations WRT the X Tyre company.

Happens all the time, in all the industries.

But as a end consumer, we should have the right to get a better combination / configuration, when we are ready to pay for it, and not not get the already coupled, useless and non-performing stuff shoved down our throats....

 

6:19:45 PM Customer Kim
I want to know
6:19:56 PM Customer Kim
How come I cannot order the XPS 15 with GT 435M and i5
6:21:00 PM Agent Ray_Teoh
XPS 15 is only available in 3 weeks time.
6:21:11 PM Agent Ray_Teoh
the official launch date is next week

Well well well - more responsible by the minute. First you blow customers off, then you know nothing about the product that has been "in the works" for bloody ages.

BTW it's me again using an alias to get answers from Dell.

 

NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 425M 2GB graphics

NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 445M 3GB graphics with Optimus

Dell,are you SERIOUS??

 

FYI

XPS Systems now available on the Canadian site. Prices are in line with US.

Dell XPS 15 Laptop Details | Dell Canada

http://www.dell.com/ca/p/xps-17/fs

http://www.dell.com/ca/p/xps-14/fs

 

I agree. The looks of the new XPS is fine by me. I just ordered an XPS 17. I had some doubts over the screen, but I like the fact that it has 4 ram slots, and room for two hdd's (or an SSD and HDD, like I plan on doing).

I just hope function is indeed the main design factor for these machines.

 

Apparently, this link is the only link on the Indian DELL site about the new XPS...

At least the images are now depicting what we should be expecting...

 

any reviews out yet?

 

See this here - Dell Announces New XPS Laptops

"Additional features of the XPS 17 include an optional 1080p screen and a pair of USB 3.0 ports, which can transfer data up to 10x as fast as current-gen USB 2.0 "

Can anyone verify if this is correct (the 17" with 1080p part i.e.)?

 

Nope. Not configurable at this point and this option is not listed in the Technical Specifications sheet published for all models. Only the 15" can be configured with a 1080.

Dell XPS Laptops: Back to the Future - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

 

Why didn't they wait for Sandy Bridge?

 

They'll bump them I'm sure. Glad they didn't wait, as this hardware appears to be better designed than what it replaces, plus the GPU line they're using is awesome (even if I wish they were all bumped to higher models).

 

A lot of people here are saying that the lower model GPUs like the 435M (as opposed to something like a 460M) were a terrible decision. Can you give us some reasons why we would want a card like the GeForce 435M rather than the ATI 5730 card, besides switchable graphics, assuming the 435M has it?

It's hard to find accurate info on this, but it appears the 5730 uses about 28 watts, and the 435M uses about 44 watts when in use, and both cards have nearly the same performance. It doesn't seem efficient.

Edit: looks like no switchable graphics for the 435M

 

well 5730 may consume upto 40w,but its performance will surely blow gt435m.Not to mention ati cards run cooler!

 

idk, maybe the 5730 runs cooler than a 445M but a GT445M with DDR5 memory isn't far behind a 5850m, so it's much more capable.

 

For the market it's in I understand why they went with the parts they did. They're still huge upgrades from what they had.

And I'm not sure why you're saying they're bad compared to AMD's 5730-the GT 435 should be pretty comparable, the GT 445 should be better-and in both cases you're getting Nvidia's better drivers, etc.

I don't want it, and it may not be set up to use it (and I'd only go with a quad i7 anyway), but the GT 435 does support Optimus.

No, the GT 445 should be (considerably) more powerful than a 5730. And the "AMD cards run cooler!" isn't factual. There have been times when one given design or the other runs cooler, there's no hard or fast rule. The Geforce GTX 460 runs cooler than the Radeon 5870, which isn't too bad to begin with.

 

I don't think it's fair to compare the GT 445M with the ATI 5730. The 445M is only available for the 17.3 inch model and the 435M is available in the 15.6 inch model, which more closely resembles the 16 inch casing of the XPS 16 with 5730.

Since the laptop is new and the 5730 is not, it just seems like they should have something better by now. GPUs have an extreme rate of performance growth compared to other parts.

I still prefer the NVIDIA brand over ATI, but I think ATI may catch up soon, and offers some really competetive products. NVIDIA is really losing it- massive chip failure and drivers that they "pulled back" come to mind.

 

Err, I think 5730's TDP was 24-26W? Nvidia's GT435M was 35W somebody mentioned?

But even if you don't want to compare these two, I used multiple (at different times) 24W GT240Ms which ran super hot - way hotter than a 5730+i7 runs.

Since 435 is upgraded from 300s which is from 200s (yes I know the architecture is not the same), and Nvidias with equal TDPs (for the cards in question) run hot, it's safe to say that for these cards we are comparing, namely 4670/565v/5730 and 420/425/435, AMD cards have the advantage.

Until they stop lying and come to their senses, good luck with "Optimus" unless you're looking for a GT 420M which is hardly what I would call "replacement of the Studio XPS line" material - to a lot of consumers, bragging about optimus but not actually letting us buy it while preaching the capabilities of a "powerful" laptop is pretty shallow.

 

i could be wrong but i think ati and nvidia's rating of tdp are different. or am i thinking intel and amd.

 

Sorry to post another question like this, but we are wanting to buy a couple of laptops for my Niece and Nephew... He just joined up in the Air Force & She is getting ready to start college...

Would the XPS 15 with the following work for them?

720p screen, 420m graphics, 4g ram, 500gb hdd, BT, BL keyboard, upgraded wireless....

I work in IT, but just making this harder than it should be....

Trying to keep the config under 1k each or as close as I can to it. Just hard since I really don't know what they are into and we are trying to keep it a surprise.

Ugh...

Thanks for any input...

 

yes, even the base model is more than sufficient.

 

when i was in Japan during the winter / spring of 2010, USB 3.0 devices were available. the speed over 2.0 is quite nice and welcome.

HDMI 1.4 for a notebook, however, is a rather curious choice. 1.4 allows for 100Mbit/s network traffic between two HDMI-connected devices as well as support for Blu-ray 3D and up to 4096 lines of horizontal resolution. for me, i care more about HD audio and, for that, all you need is HDMI 1.0 (if the player / notebook is performing the HD audio decode into 7.1 LPCM)

 

Thanks for the reply...

I thought as much myself, but just tried to beef it up a little so it would serve them well for a few years...

 

Dell xps in base settings would be fine but better look hp envy 14 too as it it designed better than xps rest is your own decision

 

Sandy Bridge comes out in two months, and will solve this problem. Hopefully Dell will roll it out quickly in their line.

 

We hear Q1 2011 for SB, and later for mobile.

Where do you see any release date from Intel that puts that inside 2010?

-Drew

 

Not a bad option.... Was trying to keep it Dell because that is all we use here at work and I have an account there... HP uses Bill-me-Later, so that would work as well...

How about the 420m vs 5650 as far as graphics?

 

5650 > 420m.

Not the most accurate, but this is pretty good: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

Mobile SB processors are scheduled to release at the same time as desktops. Who knows how long it takes before Dell has them in these new XPS laptops.

 

Um, you assume Sandy Bridge's GPU will be better than Nvidia GT435/445M or AMD 6000 graphics...

Furthermore, though Intel has "claimed" that "Mobile Sandy Bridge production has been sped up at our factories blah blah" this is no proof that Mobile Sandy Bridge will be out exactly in Jan 2011. Now, it will probably not take Dell very long because Dell keeps up with processors but in terms of availability we don't know when.

Apparently in some countries there were restrictions on i5 + 5730 when it first came out as well. Still Waiting, Dell.

 

Wow. Just saw the news now and I was grateful that they brought back the XPS line. As I proud owner of the XPS m1530, I can say that my machine has been serving its purpose for the past 2 and a half years I have owned it. Up until today it has never failed me and has features which outmatch newer notebooks from other brands.

However, what bothers me is why Dell would position the new XPS line less distinct from their other lines. The image itself seems quite similar to the newer Inspiron models with the plain black interior and monitor shape. They are also somewhat downplaying the "gamer" niche XPS really had before. Aside from the new graphics cards, there isn't much appeal for me (as a gamer) to purchase the new XPS and I can't see it competing for the niche markets of Asus, MSI, and Alienware for gamers. But that's probably the reason why they didn't position it this way, since they'd cannibalize shares of Alienware.

Also, I'm quite disappointed with the fact that there is no fingerprint reader, infrared ExpressCard remote control, and slot-loading optical drive. From the pictures, I can see that the entire chassis is not made of brushed steel, as were the previous models. Well, I'll just wait for reviews for these new machines. Just voicing out my opinion...

 

Man are these ugly computers. Shameful to even use the XPS name on these clunky, business-class-looking heaps.

 

I continue to be amazed/horrified by comments like that *sigh*

 

Launch date is at CES 2011 for both mobile and desktop segment. I'm 99% sure intel has already made it official.

 

With these week graphics, Dell is really screw up everything. I cannot believe how could they make a mistake like that. Need Performance, not 3GB video memory:banghead:.

 

Amen. Not to mention they have not offered XPS 17 in my country.

Everyone boycott Dell for now!

 

the nVidia GT400 series of mobile GPUs are quite capable for the vast majority of use cases. if one truly wants monstrous GPU performance, a desktop computer would suit their needs.

 

So these laptops are actually replacing the Studio 15/17 and the XPS 16?

On the US site the Studio 15/17 and XPS 16 are no longer listed and the new XPS 14/15/17 are listed under ' XPS - performance'.

It seems that on international sites the Studio 15/17 and the XPS 16 are still listed when the full range of XPS 14/15/17 is not yet offered on those sites.

Germany
Netherlands
France
Italy

 

The XPS line is multimedia; the alienware line is gaming.
If you want gaming graphics which line do you buy? Hmmm
Also, I agree, someone failed miserably on the visual design aspect. heh heh heh

 

Looks that way. It'd be stragne for them to keep a 15,16, and 17 inch model.

 

Well Johnny we never said or implied XPS was gaming. However SXPS 16 had a better GPU (at least hypothetically for GT435M, and because XPS 17 is not offered in all countries) so this is a poor downgrade.

Boycott XPS for now!

 

Well, finally got to take a look at it....
I prefer my SXPS 1647 to this.
I don't like the build of it. And, I came from having the XPS 1530 to the 1647. But, this is just my own opinion

Cin...

 

My XPS16 looks great, but the actual build quality sucks. I was disappointed when I first laid my hands on it. While the new XPS doesn't look as good, I'm hoping the build quality is superior. Less plastic and more metal is a good thing. Someone needs to get theirs ASAP so we can have the knitty gritty

 

That one fan was barely adequate for the XPS 16, evidenced by the throttling problems, and the new Nvidia GPUs have higher TDPs so (on paper) they're even hotter than the XPS 16.

 

? cpus don't weigh anything. your argument is useless.

 

I think that he's trying to say that the new CPUs don't require as much cooling, so the heatsink can be lighter, therefore lighter laptop. That's not necessarily true, as a die shrink (that's coupled with an increase in speed) isn't really any cooler. It gets more processing power out of the same amount of heat. A die shrink at the same speeds would be cooler, but that's not the case.

 

Yeah, these are good mid range GPUs, and the best Dell's stuck in their mid range notebooks since they bought Alienware. I mean they're better than what they replaced had...

The XPS 16 had all sorts of problems-bad cooling (I sent one back after discovering the screen blocks the main vent when it's open)-not enough power, etc. These XPS systems not only ship with better GPUs relative to their release dates, but quite possibly are better engineered. Won't know for sure for a while, but...

 

Why they designed the new XPS so badly? Because they got tired of people asking for a new replacement computer. Now noone would exchange their SXPS16 for the newer model. I am only kidding, btw.

 

As much as i'm more then likely going to get the new XPS 15, the price differance between US and Australia really irks me.Starting prices
XPS 14 US-$899... Aus $1499
XPS 15 US $849... Aus $1499
...and my favourite... XPS 17 US $949.. Aus $ 2499.

I was thinking about the 17, but not now.

 

Is the GT 445M using GDDR5?

 

It's really quite simple:

Cheap notebooks: Inspirons
Multimedia notebooks with solid build quality AND cooling: XPS series
Business class: Dell latitudes and M series
Top notch gaming + build quality: Alienware

Price increases as you move from Inspiron to Alienware as it should. Now quit the whining, Dell has given plenty of choices. If none suit you, go buy a mac air for a super thin yet useless laptop.