104 'C in gaming... normal?

i got my motherboard replaced today, the idle temperature is the same like before around 65--70 'C.

but i never tested the temp when i m gaming
with previous motherboard. and i did with the new one, the max temp i got was 104'C O_O normal? when i quite the game was 96'C and 5 min later it returned to 70

the notebook is m1330, the game was warcraft III, AC connected

can someone post their m1330 temperature after playing half hour game? thanx

 

wow... no its not normal. get that laptop back to dell and tell them that your temps are waaayyyyy to high.

 

Anything above 85C and you`re in a danger zone.
Get Dell on the job ASAP !

 

i tested a again, after playing half hour warcraft III cpuid registred highest temp 101 C :S

will my notebook get burned?

 

Here's the problem

You are unlikely to get your problem fixed from Dell short of them sending you a replacement laptop. Even then you might be in trouble.

It's common knowledge now that nearly every Geforce 8400/8600m video card is inherently defective due to poor production on NVIDIA's part.

I own a Vostro 1400 and will occasionally see the same type of temperatures w/ my 8400m card.

Simply put the cooling system for the XPS 1330 isn't all that good, which means high temperatures WILL happen.

Search the forum for the XPS Copper Mod - if done propely that will help your temperatures out a great deal. Dell doesn't really care about applying thermal paste/pads effectively, so the Copper Mod would be a great way to reduce heat.

 

but copper mod will void the warranty :S right?

 

chatted with dell, the rep said it's normal... cuz the maximum limit is 120C :S

 

Or alternatively you could use an external cooling system.

I would not go and blindly trust a Dell rep, from my experience some of them will tell you whatever you want to hear. If you ask me everything above 90°C could be dangerous, go over 100°C and you have a good chance to burn stuff.

 

Again, bull****.
That temp is NOT GOOD. The laptop will die prematurly, with either a GPU failure or a burned motherboard.
Insist upon it , that temps is TOO HIGH...
Get them to replace it and fix it properly, you paid for it and you have to right to have it working properly...

 

hey can you tell me what range of temp should be normal. so next time dell come I can ensure they got the job done.

after running 3d mark 06 what's your highest temp registred by cpuid? mine is 104 LOL

 

Hey I was gonna start a similar thread but upon Kossels theres no need. I get up to 104 before it cools down too, I play cod4 on it and it seems to go around 100-104 for the time I play. Should I be worried?

 

yes yes yes!!! its worrisome

 

Not if you dont mind this happening

 

Fact is, any replacement Dell gives you won't solve this issue. The copper mod is highly effective: it reduced my load temp to < 73 degrees.

Just save the foam pad in case you have to reverse the mod prior to sending it in for warranty work.

 

Of course the most effective way of cooling things down would be the copper mod.

However some people are not techsavvy enough to do this. If you don't know how to do it or are not sure you can get an external cooler, such as the Zalman here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=3344023#post3344023

While definitely not as effective as the copper mod, it should help you lower those crazy temperatures.

 

WoW, but how ppl get low temp without copper mod?

I can do the copper mod by myself, but the problem is, I still have warranty. is it useless to ask them to replace again?

the new motherboard is A00 revision with G86-631-A2, the old one was A01 with G86-630-A2

 

Installing the copper mod does not necessarily void the warranty. It depends on how careful and meticulous you are when you do it.

I don't know if getting it replaced will actually cause much of a difference. I don't play any games and even so it gets easily into the lower 90s if I play movies or load a page with lots of flash animations. So my guess is, with these temperatures you're pretty much where you should be with the 8400, although they're way too high for a normal graphics adapter anyway.

 

Hi!

My experience is: even a replacement mainboard, or a replacement laptop is not gonna fix it. Temps will always go way up when you do 3D gaming. It's a design flaw with the M1330.

Either you return it and get an entirely different laptop (the M1530 have less heating issues), or you simply get a warranty for the time the computer is supposed to serve you. If it happens to die in that time, you should get help within a day if you got the premium deal.

To me that's an okay situation because the GPU does not HAVE to die because of these temperature ranges, and so many things could die in a computer anyway. The risk now with the faulty GPU is slighty higher, but in that case help should be around the corner.

I don't understand these people here saying above 100°C is not normal during 3D gaming. Without hardware modification I think those temps are VERY normal in the M1330. That might not be good, but it's the reality.

Cheers

Matthias

 

Will they not see that you've put artic silver (or whatever) instead of dell's thermal compound?

I ask because I'd love to do the mod on mine but I thought they'd see the difference straight off and cancel my warranty.

(Maybe you know somewhere you can buy dells compund?)

 

I couldn't answer your question, because fortunately I haven't had any issues with my laptop. I know a lot of people do the mod, but very few (if any) had to return their machine to Dell. I'd suggest you start a new thread regarding this matter - ask if anyone who has done the mod and returned the laptop to Dell had any trouble regarding the warranty.

 

I wasn't running any 3d stuff in the last 3-4 months, purely web-surfing and word-processing, maybe some occasional movie-watching. I've also purchased Antec notebook cooler couple of months ago and used it all the time ever since. Still, my GPU dies for no particular reason, w/o any particular overheating that I would've noticed (I didn't track GPU temp 'cause I didn't stress it). What caused the failure? I've got no slightest idea but I don't think it was high temperature (no 3d apps, notebook cooler, and AC in the room)

 

Well, to my understanding the normal GPU's temperatur shift in your notebook between idle and usage might be enough to stress the die material to a degree where it just breaks. That's the big Geforce 8 problem - see here.

(But to my understanding not all Geforce 8 GPUs are affected.)

Dell should replace the mainboard with a new one for no cost, and hopefully the next one will last. Good luck!

Matthias

 

Heres a pic of HWmonitor,

 

That GPU temperature IS high!!!!

Are you sure the min is at 70 C???? Have you checked the temperature' while letting the laptop just idle??

 

My idle right now is 64°C, but sometimes it's within the 70°C range too. And just 5 mins of Far Cry upped the temps to 99°C.

As I said these high temperatures are NORMAL for the M1330. Maybe not "normal" for the GPU, but that's where the dillemma starts

Matthias

PS: Just played for a little longer. Here my HWMonitor screenshot:
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/40940/2271687290103825104S600x600Q85.jpg

 

WOW O_O that's e-x-a-c-t-l-y what i get, almost same temp at all parts, the idle temp is like 66-70, and them the fan runs slowly

Should i do the copper mod? or the gpu is simply faulty and better get another replacement and then do the copper mod?

 

My suggestion?

Don't do anything, except if you enjoy fiddeling around with your hardware. (That IS a legitimate reason )

I just went for the 3 year premium support (something I would have done anyway). If the GPU dies within that time I should get a replacement within a day. If it dies after those 3 years I don't care because I won't be using the notebook anymore.

Let's face it: even though the GPU gets ridiculously hot in these notebooks most people never experience problems. So just relax It's still a fine computer!

Matthias

 

On the phone with the third technician from Dell.

I am also getting very similar temperatures: 60-65 on idle and 100+ on load.
Got my motherboard + fan replaced two times. Now they are agreeing to do a Swap. Maybe if I keep calling they will agree to give me a different laptop....I can hope

 

Dude, what's your goal with this? I guess they only agree to the swap just to keep you happy. It WON'T bring you better temperatures. In my opinion you got these options:
1) Keep the M1330, ignore the HWMonitor values and be happy. In most cases nothing will ever happen until you retire the notebook. (Get the premium support to be protected in case something happens.)
2) Keep the M1330 and do some hardware modifications to lower the temperature. The GPU could still die at some point, because it's the shifts in temp degrees that causes the material to break ( link), not the peak temp itself necessarily.
3) Get a different notebook. And I mean something else than a M1330.

I chose 1)!

Matthias, happy M1330 owner.

 

hi all again...

I just did the copper mod.. i couldnt found copper sheet, so I cut from a copper tube which is use for gas.

after the mod, just ran 3Dmark06 , the result is quite well:

before: max temp was 104'C
after: max temp is 84'C

idle 15 mins
before 67'C
after 60'C

driver: 178.24
but i don't know why the fan still on :S

 

Aren't you supposed to cure the thermal heat compund for so many hours first, for it to work properly?

 

I have complete care for 3 years. I am not going to risk a hardware mod for something I spent $350 on. I hope it dies, that way I will have much more leverage against Dell. Also, if the new laptop has this problem I am going to get further escalated up the chain, where I have a chance to request a different laptop. Hardware modding makes no sense if you have a warranty remaining.

 

yeah, but you can use it anyway, just the result will be better after the cure

U r right, but i don't hope my notebook die and then asking them to change and change and the problem still remain. also, typing in a "hot" keyboard is very uncomfortable
maybe, when i'm in the last year of my warranty I will reverse the mod, and then hoping it to die

 

I am totally with you. Enjoying the computer the way it is and not caring for some apparently too high temperature somewhere within the machine is actually not too difficult! I don't wanna say "ignorance is a bliss", but why create a problem where there really isn't more than a theoretical problem for most users throughout the lifetime of the notebook?

And I would never open mine and alter the hardware and that way risk not only the warranty, but a damage to the computer itself - and that all because of nothing. I mean it wasn't like Kossel's notebook was actually faulty...

Matthias

 

I'l give u another pic just for the hell of it, It's a degree higher

 

Well, I just monitored my GPU with the Zalman 1000 on and rthdribl at maximum settings. When I started rthdribl the temperature rose instantly but slowed down in the lower 80's and settled at 90°C where it remained (88-89-90) for 20 minutes until I stopped my testing.

I don't think games would strain the GPU more than that, or at least not playable games anyway.



My problem is that as soon as I stopped the test application the temperature dropped instantly (5-10°C at a time), which CANNOT be healthy for the GPU. So as soon as my warranty expires (January), I'm going for the copper mod.

 

Extend your warranty to 5 years maybe?

EDIT: And make sure your fire alarm works