Dell XPS 15 9570 benchmarks + temps

Yes will do, I did get some great advice on the other thread. Also if you see my post in the other thread I managed to solve both my issues and have been really impressed with the results.

 

Hi, i'm new to this forum, just want to say thank you to @custom90gt for listing all your benchmark scores before and after mods, I read all the pages so thanks everyone for their input.
I'm running the a -147.5mV on the CPU cache and core, and -60.5 on the iGPU and systemagent. After repasting with arctic silver MX-4 I borrowed from a friend, i found almost no improvement in idle temps, and still under heavy load (both gpu and cpu under stress) the CPU reaches over 80, max 87 degrees when using Afterburner's on screen display stats in game, however Throttle stop records temps over 90, max 96. Is this normal?
Finally, could it be a bad application that could hinder cooler temps, or MX-4 needs time to cure? Should I buy Kyronaut and repaste again?

 

Look around for what other reported with the same benchmarks, maybe also try Prime95. If you decide to try again, first make a trial with tiny dots of paste in the corners to see if they all spread nicely and the gap between the chips and the heatsink is even and as thin as possible, and get that Kryonaut so that you won't be in doubt again. Also have some 0.5mm thermal pads at hand in case you need to do sth about VRAM padding to adjust the gap.

 

You can try a second application to see if that helps with your temps. I will tell you that with my new 9570 it easily reaches 97C under Prime95 and that is with several repaste attempts. Sadly it seems that I lost the silicon lotto with this chip. I did get Dell to send me a new heatsink that will be here Monday because my current one has a nice pinch on one of the pipes, but I'm not holding my breath that it will help a bunch.

 

Thanks for your reply @custom90gt and @_sem_ , I think I will purchase some kryonaut and re-attempt the application. My heatsink looks flawless.
@custom90gt You managed to get the XPS 15 again? Great! Please post some temps after you replace the heatsink, just for comparison.
Arctic also told me that the reason for my temperatures not decreasing is because the heatsink may have reached its maximum ability to dissipate heat, and that MX-4 has no cure time.
One last thing, my CPU runs consistently at 3.9Ghz even while gaming but the GPU throttles to around 1030 mhz. does this happen to you? It never goes over 74 Degrees.

 

I really have been a fan of the Kryonaut as it's been really close to my conductonaut in terms of temps. It could be the heatsink's limitation, however I would still think your idle temps would drop a little. It takes me a couple of repastes before I get everything perfect, and I've done it hundreds of times.

I did finally put in the new heatsink and temps are better. I am no longer in the mid to upper 90's and instead back into the mid 80's. Sadly I still can't get more than 3.1GHz all-core turbo when doing prime95, but at least it's cooler.

Sadly I haven't gamed much on the 9570, I'll try to do some today to see if my GPU throttles like that. Have you tried undervolting your GPU? I noticed a big difference in terms of temps/clocks when benchmarking with it undervolted. If that doesn't work, it may be worth trying to limit your CPU speed to keep the GPU speed up.

 

Agreed. I have good luck with Gelid GC Extreme which is similar to conductonaut in low-pressure systems. Both are quite popular for the XPS and seem to perform well over time. Neither has the shorting issues or leaking issues of liquid metal.

This seems to be the case for everyone (including me).

I look for a thin, even spread (which requires taking apart a few times). Getting core temps within say 2*C during a good CPU stress test). I also hope to approach the results of others on forums.

Too bad. The benchmarks of your previous 9570 were staggeringly good; I thought there was some kind of error to be honest. The XPS CPUs have been very carefully binned so it is extraordinarily unusual to win the silicone lottery here. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose but I wish we recognized how very good your old 9570 was so you did not return it.

At least you got the new 9570 largely sorted.​

 

What's funny is that I've searched the Outlet multiple times to try to track down my same express service code, but no luck of course. Sadly this 9570 doesn't perform near as well on benchmarks. I shouldn't complain though, it was "cheap."

 

I understand this is due to clamping the package power to the 45W TDP after turbo time expires. The i5 and the former generation i7 can clock faster due to less cores but still gets less work done. So not that bad I guess. Except for the i9 that could have been unlocked.
And Cinebench seems to get around this, seems to load the CPU intermittently.
How about Prime95 + Heaven long term?

 

I got good results with GC Extreme and IC Diamond, which is very viscous and should last longer. Idle temps are in the low 30s now and I avoid thermal throttling during stress tests (not by much, though). I have the feeling that something has changed in Dell's thermal/power management since @custom90gt and I first tested the laptop.
The GPU temp limit has been reduced from 78c to 75c and I believe some other rules have been introduced to clamp the CPU and GPU power.
I still haven't had the time to pinpoint what exactly happened and when (a recent BIOS update or DTPM update)

 

Yeah something seems to be really different now. Running Prime95 and Heaven my GPU clocks jump from 1733mhz to 139mhz (yes 139). I'm wondering what exactly changed, sadly this doesn't bode well for the 9570. If I can't figure it out before my return period is up, I guess it's going back. Bummer.

Sadly it even does it if I only run 4 instances of Prime95 (a more realistic game load). I'll put far cry 5 on it and see what happens.

 

I forced the GPU to operate on the 875mv/1680 Mhz point by remapping the volt/freq curve in Afterburner. The card will generate less heat (it's like an 125mv undervolt from the original 1V/1680 Mhz) and it's less likely to throttle. Give it a shot.

 

I've already got mine @ .9V and 1733mhz.

 

Call and ask every day. Dell always has a lot of refurb laptops in inventory that are not displayed on the website. Often with different configs

 

Hi guys. I am planning to buy XPS 15 9570 and for sure follow some of the hardware mods that are suggested here. My only question is... about removing them. For example thermalpads are always leaving a bit of glue after getting rid of them. I am asking because I am also getting 3y NBD warranty and I don't want a case when they will refuse to fix my laptop if they find some parts "glue-dirty".

 

Just use a little rubbing alcohol or better yet Arctic clean to wipe off any residue.

 

Thanks. I have one more question. Are there any photos where to exactly put thermalpads? The motherboard design is a bit different between 9560 and 9570. I am talking specially about these ones:

"I used 2mm cheap thermal pad for the ram and vrm heatsinks."

 

The third post on the first page shows where I had the most luck with heatsinks. I've tried all sorts of combos and that one seemed to work the best for me.

 

Newbie here with Throttlestop and its settings with my current Dell XPS 9570 i7-8750H. Ive been reading alot on the settings for lower temps and better performance. I was wondering have you guys left Speedshift - EPP to default when stress testing ? I am confused on this part as most just post their undervolting results. Im currently stable at -150mv CPU and -50mv GPU but i dont quite get the EPP side, can you set it to 0 for max performance daily or is this bad for the laptop

 

Setting the EPP to a lower number isn't bad for the system outside of it running hotter and using more battery power. If you like the performance then leave it that way.

 

You can find summary and resource links to SpeedShift at our thread below:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-xps-speed-shift.796891/

Essentially EPP adjustments are trial and error but this gets you started:

0= max performance
255= max battery life
128 = Intel's preliminary "average" user setting (this locks out top turbo speeds on XPS)
~78 = highest setting where I get access to top turbo speeds (your number might be a bit lower or higher so need to test). My daily use

 

I mean is if i have EPP at 0 , this means it will be running at max turbo frequency right. However I cannot max out each core at that frequency due to overheating. Though how often would you be maxing all cores at that frequency unless your rendering. If for your everyday tasks am i able to leave it EPP at 0 without shortening the life of the CPU? as i know it will never run all cores at max frequency for daily tasks

 

Hey guys,

I'm new here and this thread is amazing!!

I have an xps 15 9570 i7 8750h with 16Gb RAM and a nvidia 1050ti that's running supper hot particularly when photoshoping.
I have already applied Kryonout (might try an reapply with a newer paste) and that has helped a bit though not much.

My question now are:

-Would this be good enough for the ram if i stack it ??
newEgg.ca link

-Would I need to get a few of those and stack them for other components or that's not necessary ??

-How do you under volt without without loosing to much of the cpu frequency ?
I undervolted to
-110mv CPU
-125mv Cache

I have went through most pages of this thread over the past few days and these are the main things that I still have questions about.

Thank you

 

Take a look at this Youtube Video @ 2:12

 

I had same problems with same model. cpu throttling to 800 mhz.
Make sure your heat sink is straight, and if not, get dell to replace it, and if your not sure, get dell to replace it just in case.
Ohh, and if your using throttlestop, try turning down "Turbo Ratio Limits" on all the cpu cores. I did 41, 41, 39, 39, 39, 39, but don't know if that really has the intended effect.
I used kryonaut as well, so should be fine.
also just put a little something under the back of your computer, so the bottom/back of computer is elevated, if your going to be using it for intensive tasks for prolonged periods. i use two lego bricks
After all that crap i can now push my comp for hours, only diping below 3ghz every now and then, but the dip lasts 2 seconds and then its back over 3 ghz again, all while the gpu is pounding steadily along
But it does get hot, like some sensor says 128C i think.
Use "Dell power manager" actively!!!.
I switch settings several times a day, because silent mode -> longer battery and, well, no noise. But 90%of time when plugged in, i use "ultra performance", and if im in bed with comp, or its on my lap i sometimes use "cool" mode - I never tried "omtimized" mode.
I dont think undervolt affects your cpu speed. But the "Turbo Ratio Limits" thingy does. But I haven't done any testing or comparison on before and after i changed the turbo ratio limits, so I cant give you any values. It just seemed like a sweet spot for me, but I'm basing it on a whim, and what do i know.

 

Also undervolt nvidia gtx 1050 ti using MSI AB. Less GPU temps means more/better CPU cooling and performance.

 

I would try to repaste as I've had good luck with Kryonaut. There may be some bad/expired/fake stuff out there though as some people have had really poor results with it.

I wouldn't use that from Newegg, it would work but is way too expensive. I used this and it was totally fine.

I bet you could undervolt more. I would try -140mv on both the CPU and cache. Try it out and see what happens. Also the CPU is typically easier to undervolt than the cache.

Let me know if that answers your questions.

 

Thx, I will give this a try. I'll look for a video on youtube to have an idea on how that works.

The first Kryonout paste that I had (current on the laptop) might have been old. It seems different from the new one I got to repaste my home rig.
As for the heat sink, I did inspect it when I first took it off and it looked fine so maybe I was just lucky with that.

Trying out your other suggestions now.

Thank you

 

Bob of All Trades ( @B0B on the forum) has a great tutorial on how to undervolt the GPU.

 

My progress so far

 

Sadly your image doesn't work for me. You can upload an image to the forum and post it that way.

 

Crazy weekend. Here's the pic.

 

The thermal pads should get here by Wednesday though I'm not really sure how they need to be applied. Should they cover the entire memory stick ?

 

Yeah I would just lay it across the stick. Really you just need to do the memory chips, but it won't hurt to do more.

 

can I get some feedback ? Feels I'm making very small steps.

undervolted gpu
same for the cpu
still waiting on the cooling pads

https://imgur.com/gallery/n6X7mNE

 

I think you're making good headway with it all. That's a good RealBench score. Do you have specific questions though? Where are you at with your undervolt for the cpu and gpu?

 

So I got to install the thermal pads on the RAM and on the chip on the right side of the ram (not exactly sure what that one is. Either way it seems to have helped quite a bit. I have also repasted the cpu & gpu

CPU is @ -110mV and Cache -125mV (do they have to be at the same value ?)
I did try -140mV though it seemed as the cpu speed would dip to much during high load cpu

GPU was confusing as hell though I think I figured it out and I'm currently at -120mV

Here are some screen shots

Overall it seems quite the step from the ridiculous temps it shipped with.

 

I would be surprised to see you start downclocking your cpu at 140mv undervolt. I've not seen it even at 180mv on three different laptops (although each CPU is different), but I'd be shocked if you can't do at least -125 on the cpu as well. They don't have to be the same but typically cache is harder to undervolt and causes the BSODs.

 

I'll try to play a bit more with that. Thank you.

This thread was super helpful. I would have never thought of adding thermal pads to the ram.

What is the chip die on the right side of the RAM between the battery and the fan ?

 

Has anyone seen any benefits from changing the M.2 to a Samsung EVO or some faster storage state device ?
Mine came with a PC401 NVMe SK hynix 512GB (personally I have never heard of this brand )

 

SK Hynix has been in the game for a long time now so the quality of the drive isn't the issue. It's not a particularly fast NVMe SSD, but it's faster than SATA SSDs. Since 99% of users won't notice a difference between a fast NVMe SSD and a SATA SSD, I would say there isn't a benefit to it. If you want a larger drive then sure go for it, but in terms of spending money just for a "faster drive" I wouldn't.

 

Hi,
I've got a problem with my XPS 9570, it's . After I bough it and read all the reddits and this thread, I did the repaste, undervolted the CPU + cache, but my results are more than disappointing.

My results are 98° max temp on CPU package while running RealBench. GPU temps are generally around 74° while doing some GPU intensive tasks.

I repasted the laptop with the same Kryonaut 3x times already to make sure I haven't missed any part or made a mistake.
CPU is undervolted with -0.2V and cache -0.105 (with lower values on cache I get either errors in ThrottleStop bench or BSODs).

I'm wondering what could be the problem, if it's the paste job or bad heatsink. I already put some small heatsinks on the VRMs to reduce the temperatures there, previously I was hitting 111° Celsius on VRM.

Any ideas?

 

Even at minimum usage you cpu seems to run pretty hot.

Did you inspect to see if your cooler is not bent ?

 

I mean my modded 9570s still hit ~96C running RealBench. What are your average temps? Spikes really don't mean much as it takes time for the fans to kick in. How are your idle temps? It could be a bad/bent heatsink that is causing poor contact of the heatsink. Do you have any other thermal paste to try?

 

Idle temps are ~44C, now running prime95 small FFT for 30 minutes gives me average ~83C CPU package temp (clock around ~3140Mhz), in spikes it can still get to ~98C.

I don't know now, if this is good or bad? When I read your first post and saw those small spikes and averages I was really suprised that I'm getting still that high temps.

I don't have any other paste to try. The heatsink looked fine to me, though while removing it I bent it a little, but now it's almost flat.

 

Hi, i am sharing my results using real beanch with only undervolting.

I am just curious to see if these results and temperatures are good considering i only undervolted so far. without undervolt my computer was going even to 90 on iddle, light tasks. with undervolt i dont go more than 60s when using photoshop or playing games like shadow of the tombraider or fortnite.

Any feedback is appreciated. thanks!

 

Hi,
I think your temps are good for the settings you have used. But know that you don't have the stock turbo ration settings for the CPU. Stock is 41/41/40/40/39/39. You're limitting the CPU turbo ratio to 30 for all cores. So in your case it never clocks to 3,9 Ghz.

 

Hey guys,
I was wondering which VRMs to pad to the bottom, to reduce how hot the laptop gets in the middle over the keyboard?
I run a -135 mV undervolt, and while gaming I also turn off the turbo boost, so it just clocks till 2,2 (runs like 20 degree cooler, with no performance loss)
I haven't repasted or installed a new, unbloated windows yet, but I will install a fresh one next week.
Thanks for any help!

 

I don't think that padding anything will help with the keyboard getting hot. In fact attaching anything to the case would likely cause it to get hotter since it really can't deal with much heat anyway.

 

Hey guys,
I'd like to say a couple of things before anything else.
As English is not my first language, please forgive me If I have grammatical errors or get some words wrong. Also, I'm new to this forum, I think I'm commenting in the right thread, but If you guys think I should comment somewhere else, please let me know.

So I recently purchased my XPS 15 9570 the i7, 4K w/ 512 Gb SSD
I having reading this thread amongst others for trying to get the most out it, but most of what I find out there are focused on performance.
As right now, I'm more concerned about battery life than performance, and since you guys have sorted out pretty well the last one, my questions are related on trying to get better battery life.
I know that getting a 4K panel is not the smartest decision for that matter but I wanted to have the touch-screen (I'd have been more than happy with an FHD touch-screen with good colors)

So my main goal is to have a powerful machine when I need it but when I don't, being able to go through a full day without the charger.
Since when I'm out of home my usage is not intensive whatsoever (Reading PDFs, taking notes and browser usage) and the battery on this laptop is pretty beefy, I think I could get away with not bringing the charger.
Even though I've read some threads, the Throttlestop guide and watched a couple of videos I still have some question that you guys might be able to solve for me.

1. If I have Speed Shift enabled, should I disable or keep enable Speed Step and C1E? Since I'm not sure If I understood what each of them does.
   
   
2. I have Undervoltage my CPU, Intel GPU and Cache is there anything I could modify? Iccmax, VCCIN, Turbo Boost Power Limit ... Or maybe some BIOS settings
   
   
3. If I disable Turbo or Underclock the Turbo ratios should I be able to Undervoltage to even lower voltages? (As my tasks while on battery are mostly light, I think I could be more conservative with Turbo settings since I don't mind waiting for that half-second more to load a Tab in Chrome)
   
   
4. Do the Windows slider have some effect? That's kinda off-topic, but I have noticed that the Procesor Power Management under Power Options (The one that would limit the CPU to a certain % of Load) have disappeared and I think read that have been replaced with the Windows 10 battery slider, but I'm not sure If its just a Dell thing and they control it over one of their software or it's just gone/replaced by the slider.
   
   
5. C States. Okay, let me know If I'm getting this wrong since I'm really sure. So in order to decrease power consumption during idle states, the CPU goes to some sort of Deep sleep state, which would correspond to the C states. From what I read some manufacturers disable this setting, but as far as we know Dell hasn't done that.
   Okay, then my question is, on ThrottleStop we have Core C State and Package C State. I see that while idle the Core C state has a 0-1% on C3 and 88-96% on C7 (This values might be lower or higher) as far as I know, this is good.
   And then I look to the Package C State and I see with a Total Percentage of 50-65% most of it is on C2 State and may 0-1% on C3 and C8. I really don't know how to interpret this information.
   I have tried closing Chrome and Rainmeter, which I see that keep the CPU at 1-5% of usage and the C state shift to having around a 20% on C10 and some other at C8, but mostly stays on C2.
   Also, the average clock speed goes from 2-2.4Ghz to 1.2-1.4GHz, so I think that's good.
   
   
6. Speed Shift range. On the main settings, I can input any number from 0-255 on the Speed Shift - EPP setting, but the If I open TPL (Turbo Power Limit) and go to Misc, the Speed Shift range is 1 - 41 and not 0 - 255. Are those 2 different settings? Should be the same range?
   Screenshot of the settings

Then I have aswell some questions about Dell's included software (I ask here since you guys seem to be familiar with that, but let me know If I should edit this part and ask somewhere else)

I read that a lot of users recommend doing a clean install of Windows 10 since that would remove all the bloatware and so on, but I did already set everything up so I didn't want to go through the struggle again.
What I have done is Disable all auto start, Task Schedule, and Services from all Dell related software, so they don't consume any resources but only storage.

I kept it just If I need to use it someday, but I wanted to ask you guys which of the following programs are actually useful and can be removed.
The only one that I used is the Power Manager, which I think is really useful for longer battery longevity, but apart from that nothing else, only the Updater for the BIOS update.

https://imgur.com/a/cpDiXRG


So yeah guys, I hope you can help me out with this questions that I have.