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    Dell XPS M1330 - nVidia GeForce 8400M GS - Copper Mod

    Discussion in 'Dell XPS and Studio XPS' started by sinstoic, Jul 2, 2008.

  1. cowgaR

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    I bought my XPS M1330 8400GS in January 2008, does it mean I have faulty GPU aswell?
    How can I teel it is not? Using GPUZ?

    any serial number? or I just need to wait till it break? will just simple call to DELL technician replace my GPU?

    thank you
     
  2. Hep!

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    Only boards manufactured after August 2008 are fixed. So yes, you have a faulty GPU. When it breaks, speak to Dell. You will have warranty+1 year. So if you have a standard warranty, you're covered for this until January 2010.
     
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    thank you very much for a response...

    too bad I took just 1 year warranty (not my main work notebook), and I was about to make a copper mod just in case (thanks for the article anyway)...

    but this way I'll lose warranty if I make it, and now that I know my GPU is faulty it is a funny situation what to do...to make a copper mod or to just wait and pray GPU will break till january 2009 so I can finaly replace motherboard.

    is there a possibility to persuade DELL technician to replace my GPU even when I am not experiencing any problems right now? (it is my 2nd notebook, I have used it 10 times or less just for pictures backup =), there is still a folie on it and looks like new so it is not tested well)

    please, can you give me a link where I can find more about faulty GPUs? I know there are plenty of them, but I need one that says (that even I) have a problem with it (the problem began months after I bought my XPS so I thought january 2008 is safe to be).
     
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    so the gpu itself is fixed, fine, but have they fixed the cooling system?
     
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    Judging from the two different new ones that I've had, no. (Both manufactured after August 08).
     
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    so copper mod for the newest ones too?

    i dont understand whats so hard on the part of dell to put in a copper piece themselves, its obviously not the copper prices that are holding them back
     
  7. immel

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    Yup, copper mod for the newest ones.

    I'll get a replacement laptop in a week or so, I'll probably perform the copper mod on it if it seems to work properly.

    Can't wait to try Fallout 3 on this lovely laptop :).
     
  8. Hep!

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    Yes, if you read my ORIGINAL guide (in my sig, on first page of this guide) it's about how the cooling assembly sucks - it was before the faulty GPU issue was even publicly known. The issue does assist with saving a faulty GPU from death, but it does not address the root cause. This mod addresses the cooling, and the cooling only, and since Dell has not changed this, it's still worth doing on ALL nVidia M1330's.
     
  9. anarky321

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    can anyone that has been following this comment on how the nvidia issue has affected prices of used 1330's in the last 6 months?
     
  10. immel

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    Probably not at all, since very few people know about this problem. And the people who know are mostly people who already own the laptop and want to sell it to people that do not know.
     
  11. jb1007

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    Just a follow up to my mod, I re-did it with AC MX-2 thermal paste instead of Arctic Silver.. my GPU idles 57-59 now :) 20 mins of COD4 reaches 72-75. Now we're talkin!
     
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    can someone post what kind of 3dmark 05 scores they got with an oc'd copper mod 8400?
     
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    RivaTuner V2.09 Overclock settings
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  14. anarky321

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    thanks +1 rep

    have you tried playing Clear Sky? id like to know what kind of fps i can expect
     
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    The only game I play regularly is IL-2 Forgotten Battles, and the Dell XPS M1330 just does fine in high 3D settings.

    But based on this review, Stalker Clear Sky will be tough to handle with this card:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphic-card-benchmark,2029-13.html

    The 8800 GTS 512 was more or less adequate in DirectX 10, so I'd guess that game is not playable on our Dell laptops with any reasonable 3D settings.
     
  16. anarky321

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    no i forgot to add "with static lighting"

    static lighting = dx8 mode

    its about 2.5x faster than dx10 mode for stalker clear sky
     
  17. zolif999

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    I did it the mod with AC MX-2. 7-8C lower temperature.
    Now I'm setting the RMclock.
     
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    hi all

    i bought a brand new xps m1330 notebook this august. I received the copper from metalsheets today, and installed it right away. After the installation, i launched 3dmark06, and the gpu temperature shoots all the way up to 96 celeuis immediately! I followed the dell xps m1330 copper mod guide during the installation. Should i call dell to ask for a replacment heatsink? thanks all
     
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    problem solved

    the issue was caused by the contact in between the hsf and the copper.

    make sure that you apply a LOT of thermal compound (AS5) in between the hsf and copper so that it makes a good contact.
     
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    Hey, I think you got a serious problem here. You should not apply a lot of AS5, but just a very thin layer, or else the excess AS5 will cause it to heat up. Go google or youtube, see wats the right way to apply AS5.

    Btw, if you have a poor contact, then you should get another piece of metal that fits nicely. AS5 is only designed to fill up microscopic holes, not large gaps. So get another piece of copper.
     
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    Hey guys,

    I'm planning on selling this lappie that has the copper mod. Anyone knows where I can find a pink thermal foam-pad for the GPU? I need to revert it back so that the second owner can kill the mobo and get it replaced :D
     
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    Dont think u can buy the exact same thermal pad. So may be try asking someone in this forum if they r willing to sell u...
     
  23. Hep!

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    rice, do you have remaining warranty? If not, leave the mod.
    If you do... the only way I know of to get the same pad is a whole new assembly. Though when I need thermal pads I just take apart old sony notebooks, those things are full of thermal pads :)
     
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    I do! Thats why I need one.

    Anyone mind donating a thermal pad similar to the one provided by Dell?
     
  25. Hep!

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    Mine is in kind of poor condition (it's a little old and cracked) but I can give you mine. I have no warranty, and it's not like I'd ever put it back the way it was, even when selling.
     
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    I removed my hsf to remove some excessive as5 compound. As I was cleaning the copper with arcticlean, I noticed some small scratches on the copper caused by the roughness on the heatsink surface. Should I replace the copper or just leave it alone ?
     
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    Appreciate your offer, hep. Before we go there, do you think it'll cause any suspicion to a technician who is removing the cooling unit?
     
  28. Hep!

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    No, I don't. Mine's in the exact same condition as when it was in my system. The cracking came from nothing but age.
     
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    I think minor scratches, like a very fine line, should be ok, as long as the copper is sandwiched between the hsf and the GPU, it should be fine.
     
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    can anyone give me some advice as to how to mod a vostro 1310 with copper? im hitting 92C (which many others seem to have as well)
     
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    You just have to find the measurement...

    But does the Vostro have a thermal pad thing like the XPS?

    If not you can just put some good old Arctic silver and you should be good
     
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    yea it does have a thermal pad; how exactly would i find the measurements for thickness? just measure the pad? then id have to take everything apart, measure the pad then put everything back together still with the pad...i was wondering if anyone has already done this
     
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    Since this mod will void a normal warranty, will ACCIDENTAL warranty cover it?
     
  34. Hep!

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    No since you didn't accidentally put the copper in there.
     
  35. sinstoic

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    Not Funny! :p
     
  36. Hep!

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    But it's the truth. It won't be covered, as if it's clearly caused by intentional damage, then it's not covered.
     
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    what are the other alternatives to this mod that is covered by the warranty? I have no experience doing any type of modding to electronics so I would not be confident in attempting this.
     
  38. Hep!

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    Undervolt the CPU and hope it helps the GPU...
    Undervolt the GPU and hope you don't brick the whole system...
    Wait for the motherboard to die and hope the new one doesn't have the issue (doesn't actually fix the terrible cooling problem)

    What I'm trying to say is this fix is kind of a safe haven solution to a crappy problem. There's no "alternative" that works so well.

    It's a very easy mod to do and does not require ANY technical knowledge. Follow the guide on page one step by step and you will be fine.
     
  39. elg3ne

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    I just did the mod but i am waiting for it to cured for 200hrs before I use it.

    I have seen some post regarding their temp load. I already know how to use HWM but I would like to know how they measure the "idle" temp. Is it after the computer boot-up & then run HWM then after 5mins that is the idle temp?

    Im quite comfused here on how to measure idle. Please give me an idea how to measure the correct idle temp.

    Thanks
     
  40. Hep!

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    To measure idle temp - Turn on the computer - walk away for 30 minutes - come back, measure temperatures.
     
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    so it is after 30mins... ok i'll try again when my mod is cured.

    thanks
     
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    200 hours? why so long?
     
  43. Hep!

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    AS5 takes 200 hours to cure.
     
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    I bought the copper plate, the AS5 kit... to mod my xps...

    im not sure about this 200 hours to cure though.... does it means that i cannot use my pc until 200 hours passed after had my laptop modified?

    or i can use just as normal but the best results will be reached after 200h of actually use?

    cheers Beto
     
  45. Hep!

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    It would be best if you didn't use it for 200 hours. The longer the better.

    But no, you don't have to wait, you can use it right away. Just don't expect very good results until you hit the 200 hour mark.
     
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    Hep! thx mate.....


    another thing i was googling around and as my laptop was bought at April, i certainly have this issue. even more because i have the problem of having my GPU struggling while playing old games (warcraft 3)

    anyway... I know that even though modding my laptop in some point my gpu will fail and then i will need to undo my mod and send to dell. so there are any way to "safely" this failure to request a proper working laptop? because im pretty sure they will not change for now thats why they are giving 1 more year of warranty.

    all the best

    edit: just to make sure after modding to undo is it easy? just remove the copper and then re-applying the AS5 and thats it?
     
  47. Hep!

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    If you wanted your GPU to fail intentionally I am positive I could replicate the failure and Dell would be none the wiser to the fact that it was intentional. But I really don't want to dispense the information on how this would be done, as it would likely fall into a category called fraud.

    To undo the mod, you simply remove the copper AND remove the AS5. Then you put the little blue pad back in place.
     
  48. beto113

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    I do understand that an intentional failure is fraud. however i do have some points in my favour.

    My point is that i just want my computer working as it suppose to. without a glitch. ive paid £1150 on my machine and i cant play a 5 years old game on low graphics details because even so it becomes unplayable. With a on-board graphics card from the basic model i would get a better results. that's what **** me off, a company that sells a defective assembly and instead of fix it up just do a work around releasing firmwares that do not fix a **** thing. so whos first breaking the contractual morale are them, not me. after all ive paid for a certain performance that has not being delivered.

    I know its discussable i have no intention to fraud for fun nor keep this discussion. Sorry if a passed any idea of trying to force. Nothing personal, I was just explaining my intentions and why im disappointed with Dell. i rather prefer them to just swap my laptop for a well working one that would make me happy with it.
    Thanks Hep!


    I will try to approach them on another way and see if they swap my laptop

    Does anyone ever tried to talk with dell and had the laptop fixed? or anyone have any tip of how i should talk with them?

    All the best Beto

    PS: about the blue pad, noted i will keep it safe.
     
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    my bro did this copper mod after i showed him the post.. works great , thx
     
  50. immel

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    Since Dell knows about the problem with their GPU, you not being able to play WC3 properly might very well give you a new motherboard, if you call and complain.

    Call tech support and mention that you know about the defective GPU, then tell them that yours runs REALLY hot and it slows down games and makes several old games unplayable, also mention that you have friends with the same laptop and without those problems. He'll be asking you to update drivers or BIOS or whatever, just say you've done all this and that you know the GPU is defective.

    You'll most likely end up with a replacement in a few days.
     
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