Dude, I am getting a new dell! 7390!!!!!

They answered my needs with the new xps 13 2 in 1. Mag lev keyboard, 32gb ram, good processors, 16:10 4k screen, etc. WHITE IS NICE. I have not seen if they are releasing any other color. my 5000 will be passed on to my son. But the new xps is a KILLER system.

 

"Unfortunately, everything here is soldered to the board – RAM, the CPU, and SSD meaning you cannot upgrade anything in this laptop post-purchase."

 

Well that's a shame, they went the way of the Mac. I guess I'm out on that one...

 

That's ok, I will just order a top spec one and I wont have to change anything this time. The compact power I need is in the new 2 in 1.

 

@custom90gt well the good news is that this XPS 13 2-in-1 has a vapor-chamber style (a la razor) cooling system.
Hopefully, it will trickle down to other models in the future.

 

It's going to be interesting when I get this device. I have my lowly little dell 5000 2 in 1 right now with 16gb of ram, 1tb SSD and low spec intel processor. It's not even a core i3. But guess what, it skips along fine when I am editing photos and videos etc. I can't wait to see how fast the new xps 13 2 in 1 is going to be doing the same tasks. I will do a side by side comparison video to show the difference.

We (both my wife and I) are getting new xps machines because we are planning to be 100% computer income driven in 6 months to 1 year. Meaning work from home on our computers. We are massively downsizing our home to a mini home, we have trimmed all neccessary fat from our bills/expenses etc. We were living in excess for a long time. I sold a couple of businesses took all my profits from that and sunk into a new venture that failed (locals are a weird bunch here), so we have changed directions. I am working right now, as is my wife (normal jobs). We want freedom from "work". We want to take our son who has autism everywhere we can, when we can and want. Therefore being 100% computer based income is a necessity for us. We can be anywhere, do our work and have income.

 

I actually don't mind the idea of everything being soldered... It would seem like tech today has started to slow down in evolution and we're not seeing as drastic of changes from generation to the next. I just got my wife a MBpro latest version and based on the specs, that should last at least a good 3+ years.... and for the price I'd say it was pretty good (for a mac) (same price as my XPS15). I wish I could upgrade... that nvidia GPU looks pretty awesome compared to the 1050... It'll at least make the leap into a decent gaming chip these days. The 1050 is slowly starting to see its age....

Oh I almost forgot... I feel jipped with the 7300HQ processor from Intel... It seems to work ok but gosh its slow in multi thread compared to today's chips... Shoot even the new iphone has a higher geekbench score.... the 4 threads are disappointing these days...

 

I have numerous notebooks from far back as 2007 running windows 10 with no issue. That's one major positive with buying non apple products. Apple decides when you need to upgrade, not you. I have a 2007 macbook. It can run a more recent OS version than what is on it. However, apple decides that it cannot and blocks it from getting newer versions because then, they can sell more devices. Dell, HP, or any other windows based computer company does not put such limitations on their devices. So, buying an XPS from dell would be a much better value than a macbook since you get 5 years out of your mac then Apple says NOPE. Where as you can get 10 plus years out of your xps and still use it just fine with the latest software.

I would not take to much out of benchmarking. My apple iphone 8 scores better in benchmarks than my dell computer, however, my computer is faster doing most things I do.

 

My problem with soldered everything is that when you want to refresh your older laptop you can't do it. @kojack, you just refreshed your laptops with new SSDs and even ram right? Well that's not an option anymore. Also say your MB dies and you need data off of it, well that's not happening either. Plus it forces people into paying a premium for hardware now (2-3x the cost of doing it yourself). That's why I don't have a 9575, even though I really liked it. I'm not spending $500 just to get 16GB of ram.

If Dell goes this way with all of their laptops, I'll look elsewhere. It's in every way as bad as Apple IMHO.

 

I’m more interested in the GEN 11 graphics that this new XPS is going to have than the actual XPS itself.
I’m sure it’ll be a fine 2-1 but with soldered hardware a bit of a turn off, specs should be pretty good just not how they are used in this case.

 

I agree with you that it's better to have replaceable hardware, and yes, I did upgrade 3 computers this past little while. What dell is doing is no where as bad as what apple does in blocking SOFTWARE updates after a few years. Rendering the older mac's essentially useless if you want to keep using newer software. At least with dell, HP and others, windows is loaded easily on 10 year old hardware without a hiccup and runs perfectly fine. My aspire 7720 with ssd and 8gb of ram skips along quite nicely for a machine thats over 12 years old. Theres no sign it's stopping any time soon. In fact, I am popping in a faster processor to speed it up a bit more.

 

Well I would say that the average life of a laptop is around 5ish years...at least in my book. I'm nearing my 2.5yr mark so my laptop is almost half gone in my book... Timing for a new laptop would be sometime in 2021 which by then they'll be far better hardware...can't wait. lol

 

@kojack, yeah it's lame that Apple blocks updates to the OS after a certain amount of time, I'm sure that's just to make some $$ on new hardware sales. The thing is, I don't think your 7720 would be as usable 12 years later if you hadn't upgraded it. You probably bought it with 4GB of ram and a mechanical HDD, which was probably middle to high-end back then. Think about having that now because everything was built in and non-upgradeable. This is why I won't buy a new XPS if the RAM or SSD is soldered.

 

totally. I am not disagreeing with you. But the time of non replaceable hardware is upon us if the user wants super light weight travel devices.

 

Sadly it's only .04" thinner but .2lb heavier, I'll stand by my way of the Apple comment, lol.

 

I think a non-replaceable SSD is a major issue. Even if you don't intend to upgrade, you may once have an issue that needs to be debugged if it is HW or SW. It is easier if you can just swap the factory-installed original SSD back in. And you may not want to send the laptop with your data to service. And because there are no replaceable parts, this may happen more often than earlier.

> the time of non replaceable hardware is upon us

It is not so much thinner to mage a good enough excuse. iFixit shows there are devices with better repairability among even thinner tablets and smartphones.
Don't be a sheep. Not just Dell, the whole industry is getting nasty, though it is clear that devices can be designed to be either more or less repairable. The "free market" obviously isn't working here. A new EU directive demanding repairability and availability of spare parts will kick in within a couple of years, though it has been watered down by intensive corporate lobbying and has been twisted more to the advantage of the repair industry than users (for instance, manufacturers will be required to offer kits of parts, but not individual parts to end users). There are initiatives in the US and elsewhere too.

 

Thanks cool that you guys are downsizing. Maybe you guys will be featured on HGTV's tiny homes - lol. Seems to be a growing trend.

Anyway I really like the potential for this XPS 2in1 but my only concern is the Mag lev keyboard. I heard it's "okay". If I work on my laptop a lot I would want a good typing experience. Anyone actually use one for their day-to-day work?

 

Hahaha. I have a 2007 MacBook Pro also. I managed to get OSX working through 2018 but haven't tried to update since. Runs Win10 fine in bootcamp.

Works great with new thermal paste, but I did some more extreme thermal mods



http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/extreme-thermal-mods-2007-macbook-pro-3-1.810471/

 

You have also the memory limits added in by Intel. If you go for notebooks with i7/i9 Mobile H processors all you'll get is max 16GB ram if the ODM have to use soldered ram. They prefer this way to add ram due bigger chance for miliking more money from you. You can't add in ram you buy on the aftermarket. Or if you go cheapest poosble and instead prefer upgrade with bigger ram sticks later.

 

I am not so much worried about replacing hardware on my xps device when I get it. It is what it is, and I want that computer. I have been waiting for the 13" version of the xps 15 2 in 1 since it was released. Now, they released it. It has everything I asked for in the 13. I will take my chances with the hardware. I may even purchase extended warranty with it to play it safe.

 

This is nuts. In 2019, 16GB is min RAM anyone should have on a basic computer. Especially give how ram prices have fallen.

I like the soldiered SSD scheme even more, especially given the nice m.2 form factor and performance.

Planned obsolescence & opportunity to charge Apple prices for storage.

 

See my editorial "what on earth is going on with Dells XPS line?"

I'll buy a Chinese passport before I buy a laptop with soldered SSD.

 

Good luck getting back if you do...

 

Any update on release times?

 

Last I heard was a July/August release with no set date.

 

Very close to the perfect business portable for me. Any word on when we can start ordering?

 

XPS13 2in1 goes on sale tomorrow in the USA:

https://twitter.com/BalveenXPS1/status/1159217762553802752

 

The configuration options are expensive if you want at least an 16gb ram ($1750). Do you think the i3 (dual-core) with 8gb ram ($1100) is worth it? I'm not sure 8gb more ram and a quad-core is worth 60% more in price.

 

Depends on what you personally are going to use it for.

I was interested until I saw the prices, screw that. $1,750 for this i7, 16gb, 256gb SSD and a 13" 1920 x 1200 screen is insanity. It's a freaking productivity 2-in-1, not a gaming desktop.

 

Yeah these prices are insane. In order to get 16GB, they force you to get an i7 which runs you $1750 minimum.

I'm not interested in this 2 in 1, but these prices are not a good sign for when the regular XPS13 gets refreshed with Ice Lake.

 

Not sure why its so expensive when the SSD can't even be upgraded. And compared to other 2-in-1s it doesn't excel on the thickness or the weight part. Icelake integrates more so it should help on both too. 2-in-1 function really starts making sense in the 2.6lbs or under range. XPS 13 7390 is still a tad bit heavy.

I think in the overall Project Athena certification is good, but lot of the industry is going to rely on it as an opportunity to create even higher end devices.

Watch the battery life on the Project Athena Icelake laptops to be absolutely kickass though.

 

Does anyone know when in-depth reviews of this laptop will come out? Orders have been available for a few weeks now.

Also this seems like the only ice-lake laptop available, which seems odd (every other new laptop is Comet Lake 14nm).

 

Does anyone have one these? How is it for heat? I tried the older models but they seemed to get really hot.

 

I ordered one last week. They must have dropped the prices because I got the FHD model with 32GB of RAM and 512GB of storage for $15XX. Should get to me in early November.

 

Wow that's a good price I am in Canada and I was quoted around 2700.00 mind you that is with the UHD touch screen but still almost another $1200.00

 

Yeah thats about what the price for the UHD screen and 1TB SSD is in the US too. Thats too much for an ultrabook. You could buy a very high end gaming laptop for that much. Im perfectly fine with FHD and can increase storage with a microsd card. I'll probably get the 1TB Sandisk when they drop more in price.

 

I am going to wait to see what Black Friday deals there may be as I am not spending that much for a laptop or I may just go with the regular 13" as opposed to the 2 in 1. It really is too bad our Canadian dollar sucks.

 

I got mine yesterday. i7, 16GB and 512GB SSD with 4 year onsite and Complete Care. Got all my stuff restored to it and programs installed yesterday. Today when I get home I'll actually start using it. It looks like a really nice machine and I'll probably use it for the next 4 years. Sucks that you can't upgrade the SSD, but where I'm at today, I've got about 85GB to spare on a 500GB drive, so I think I'll be OK. I really don't do a whole lot with my PC except surf and email and keep all my pics and music. First impression is that it's a really nice machine

 

I hope you like it and for sure come back and let us know how it performs, I am sure you will be good with the specs that you got and it does suck you can't upgrade the SSD.

 

I’m hoping to order mine ASAP. But they only 16 gb models available in Canada. I want the 1tb 32gb ram model.

 

I recieved mine on Friday and had all day to mess around with the computer today and I gotta say im impressed. That screen is beautiful and the performance of the hardware is very good. The aesthetics in person is very impressive. It looks extremely modern especially with how efficient Dell was with the screen to body ratio. Im so glad they went with 16:10 and ditched a big fat chin. It was also thinner than I thought it would be. That audio jack just barely fit in the chassis. That jack is really handy too because I have a 2.1 speaker set up and it works perfect.

This was well worth the money. I had a Dell Credit card from when I purchased my Alienware 15R2 in 2015 so I used that to get 0% financing (again) so im only paying around $130 a month. Cant beat that!

 

Also, This laptop works great with the Lenovo Graphics dock. While using an external monitor I was able to run Doom 2016 on Ultra settings at 1680×1050 at 60fps.

 

After a couple of weeks of use with my i7, 16GB, 512GB, it's a really nice machine. I got 4 years of onsite and Complete Care warranty, so I'll be using this one for 4 years. As my first i7 machine and my first 16GB machine, I'm a little disappointed that the speed isn't blowing me a way. But all I do is email and web browser, so it likely takes more processor intensive applications to see a difference. At least I know I have a machine that should still be a good machine a few years down the road.

 

Tempted to get this, wanted to get peoples opinions on:

- Battery life on 4K, in UK there is no option for 1200p for 16/32 GB of RAM
- Keyboard pedromance
- Backlighting performance



On this review, he was pretty hard on both the keyboard and the weak backlighting. Did you guys also notice this?

 

I think the keyboard is fine. Im also ok with the backlighting because I got the black one.

Also, ive found that that channel complains a lot.

 

Just ordered one myself. Arctic white, 512gb, 32 gb ram, 4k screen, 4 years of premium + Accidental, 3 years of battery support. Expected delivery is December 2nd to the 5th.

 

I just looked on youtube at the 7390. There is no hdmi port?

 

I know right? It also does not have a VGA or PS2 port either....

 

Not even a parallel port!

 

What with USB ports?