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    I have an XPS 15 9550 working with a Razer Core. AMA

    Discussion in 'Dell XPS and Studio XPS' started by Eason, Jun 27, 2016.

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    Hello,

    How do you managed to delete the files as It is own by the system which no allow me to delete these files?

    Thanks for the help
     
    lesteph, Sep 15, 2016
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    lesteph, Sep 16, 2016
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    Hi all,

    In the process to have the xps 9550 ready for coming GPU.

    I follow the steps process.
    1/ update firmware TB3
    2/update drivers TB3
    3/downgrade bios from 1.2.14 to 1.1.19.

    During the BIOS flash process I did have an error :ME Firmware EndUpdate Failed Error : 0x00002236.

    even if the BIOS was successfully downgrated.

    Later when I start the computer, after few minutes the screen sudenly turn black and I hav to do a hard reboot. It hapens 2 times.

    Any idea ?
     
    lesteph, Sep 16, 2016
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    Are you in AHCI mode or raid? Did you reinstall the Intel hd graphics drivers?

    Lastly, reseat both your ram sticks.
     
    Eason, Sep 16, 2016
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    How can I figure if I in AHCI or RAID mode (I have just one SSD so no reason to be in RAID mode)?

    Re HD graphiccs drivers :
    I did reinstal the last one from Dell (20.19.15.4483 from 01 July 16)
    Do you thing the 4364-64 is the one to instal ?
    I noticed there is a newer driver (4471-64) ; did you have any feedback from it?

    Finally, re the RAM stick, I never open the laptop and all was fine before I started to downgrade the BIOS. In fact, after the 1st error message, I did go back to the lasted BIOS 1.2.14 version and did not have this error message and when I downgraded to 1.1.19, I had this message during the flash process each time.
     
    lesteph, Sep 16, 2016
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    Try the newer driver.
    Reseat the RAM. That you never opened the laptop doesn't matter- the ram works itself loose sometimes and a black screen is what you get.
    Does the problem happen in safe mode?
     
    Eason, Sep 16, 2016
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  8. lesteph

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    The 9550 (i7, 500SSD, RAM16, FHD) laptop is working with the core.
    Few obs.
    The laptop has the fans always on whatever is the temp of the cpu (33 c)
    The core seems to have the fans on as well whatever is the temp of the GPU. is that the case of everyone?
    I do have Throttlestop and it seems not able to see the Egpu (core).
     
    lesteph, Sep 17, 2016
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    XPS Fans was on only wheb CPU was getting hot. Since I hook the core they are alwaus on whatever is the temp.

    Anyone have a solution ?

    The fans from the core are also always on . Anyone knows about that anf if ther is plan for start them only if GPU needs cool air?
     
    lesteph, Sep 17, 2016
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    Nope. They are always on. The core is very loud.
     
    Eason, Sep 18, 2016
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    Are the fans in the Core only to cool the GPU? Or do the components in the Core itself also need cooling?

    Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
     
    kent1146, Sep 18, 2016
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    The Core's PSU has a loud fan too.
     
    PalladiumFR, Sep 18, 2016
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    No the core Fan's bring fresh air in the core and the GPU's fans cooled down the GPU
     
    lesteph, Sep 18, 2016
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    I can't belieive on a product like the core they put cheap/noisy fans, especially when they are always on !!

    What about the laptop ? When I plug the TB3 to the core, the XPS fans are always on. Is it same for everybody?
    Is there a solution to avoid that?
     
    lesteph, Sep 18, 2016
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    I reseated the RAM. I'll see if it happens again and let you know.
    Re the HD gaphics drivers, yo advise to try the latest one?
     
    lesteph, Sep 18, 2016
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    I haven't had my XPS since a few months ago so I'm not up to date, but it wouldn't hurt to try it.
     
    Eason, Sep 18, 2016
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    I can't believe it either - this puts a big kink in my plans. Any chance of swapping out the fans for quieter and/or larger ones (can it fit 14cm ones)? Undervolt? Separate fan controller? If that's not moddable to near silent levels, I'll have to consider other options, especially given the launch price of almost 67000 yen.
     
    Skywise, Sep 19, 2016
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    grumffff. eveything was working like a charm....until this night
    this morning it seems I had some update installed last night (forgot to shut down the laptop).
    Now :
    1st I had the tb3 not working, throttlestop not working (not sure it is linked), in device manager, I noticed yellow signal NVIDIA virtual audio device.

    I tryed to reversed the update via windows but if i have now the tb3 working i still have
    throttlestop not working
    in device manager, I noticed yellow signal NVIDIA virtual audio device.
    And when runing a game I got 30fps instead of 60 I used to have with the 1080 (and even with the 960m but hot and noisy)

    Any idea why this happens and what I should do?
     
    lesteph, Sep 25, 2016
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    Sounds like throttlestop isn't working (as the new version will be out soon) and as a result your laptop is throttling.
     
    Eason, Sep 25, 2016
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    you were right as cpu temps ok since I installed new vers of thottlestop.

    I am bafled by what it means ; the CPU managment cooling syst is very bad on his own; as I do have egpu working only and not the laptop GPU, the throttle comes only from the CPU temps even when the GPU laptop is not in used( and do generate any heat in the syst).

    Do yo think it is normal?
     
    lesteph, Oct 2, 2016
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    What are your CPU temps? Properly repasted and with pads added, my peak temps were 72C with max turbo. 24C ambient.
     
    Eason, Oct 2, 2016
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    Hello,

    Not sure any link but since last win10 update my fps drop from 60 to 30/20 (xps 15 9550 with core).

    Any idea what could caused it and how to fix?
     
    lesteph, Nov 8, 2016
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    No feed back?

    So far what i noticed is :
    I download the last driver for 1080 desktop : ...3 7570
    instaled it but each time when i checked I find the version instaled is ...3 7290.

    I did the cleaning in driverstore before proceeding

    No idea where the version 3 7290 come from not able to find out. seems win10 load this one each time.
    How can have the righ driver instaled?
     
    lesteph, Nov 9, 2016
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    Windows will automatically roll back a driver if it receives a number of errors, that's why people say to purge all history of older drivers for using the core.

    There's a number of posts (not sure if it's in this thread or the Razer forum one) which explain what to do about this.
     
    yoshiwaan, Dec 8, 2016
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    Yup, you need to get rid of the intel and nvidia drivers so they can't roll back to the ones that don't work properly.
     
    Eason, Dec 8, 2016
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    Hey Eason, what does CUDA-Z say about your Host to Device performance?
    I have an 9550 with an Akitio Thunder3 and while GPU-Z and other tools report a x4.3 link
    the NVidia driver only reports x2.3, so I checked with CUDA-Z and only get 1300MB/s Pinned Host to Device
    which should be around 2200MB/s for TB3 ( 2700MB/s for M.2.-M x4.3 ).

    I hope the 9550 does not have the low power TB3 chip that only supports x2.3.
    edit: Just checked with HWInfo64 we have an DSL6340, phew dodged a bullet there.
     
    Splitframe, Dec 8, 2016
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    I am using a skull canyon with a core as I sold my XPS 15. I'll check when I get home.
     
    Eason, Dec 9, 2016
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    So these details in your footer are fiction!
     
    pressing, Dec 9, 2016
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    GPU-z says I have PCI-E x 16 @ x4 3.0, 224.4GB/s bandwidth.

    The sig isn't false! I've got a thinkpad e130 that's been freshly upgraded with an SSD!
     
    Eason, Dec 9, 2016
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    Please look at the values under the performance tab of CUDA-Z, especially "Host to Device"..
     
    Splitframe, Dec 9, 2016
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    Ok, Intel NUC gets 2000MB/s
     
    Eason, Dec 19, 2016
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    pressing, Dec 23, 2016
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    Seems like a pretty blatant case of false advertising if it doesn't get full tb3 speeds. Is there a way I can check without currently owning a tb3 device?
     
    yoshiwaan, Dec 27, 2016
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    Wow, interesting. Now I understand why the performance was so terrible on the internal LCD!
     
    Eason, Dec 30, 2016
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    With external screen TB issue is not so serious.

    One guy compared his 9350 to a macbook pro (AKiTiO Thunder3 enclosure & GTX 980 Ti) and noted a 45% decrease in performance with INTERNAL screen on Valley benchmark extreme HD. 9550 comparison would have been nice but illustrates issue

    https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/xps-15-9550-not-able-to-reach-40gbps-over-tb3/paged/2/#post-826

    Asus G751JY has TB crippled 50% also

    https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/asus-g751jy-running-its-tb2-controller-at-half-speed/
     
    pressing, Dec 30, 2016
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    Yeah, the internal LCD is really unusable with half bandwidth. But on the other hand, you might as well use a 2m cable if it's 20 gbps anyway :p
     
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    How come the internal monitor is only affected by the limited TB3 bandwich, and not the external monitor, is it because with the Razor Core, you connect the external monitor directly to the eGPU, thus avoiding having to use the TB3 lane at all?
     
    knekker, Dec 31, 2016
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    Absolutely knekker. When using the internal monitor, data has to flow back from eGPU to the screen through TB3 which result in a bottleneck.
     
    PalladiumFR, Dec 31, 2016
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    Hey PalladiumFR, thank you for the clarification.

    Apart from the eGPU throttle issue, I need a 2tb ssd in it also, and it would be a shame to put a samsung 960pro in it, only to see it limited by the PCIe lanes, having potential read speeds of 3500GBs being capped at 1800GBs!

    I know they probably won't, but lets hope they have fixed the TB3 bandwidth limitations on the 9560.
     
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    You are welcome knekker.
    Regarding the 2m TB3 cable, I'm seriously thinking about purchasing one as the Razer Core is too damn noisy.
     
    PalladiumFR, Dec 31, 2016
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    Sorry if I am asking a silly question, but how is a TB3 cable able to fix the noise from the razor core?
     
    knekker, Dec 31, 2016
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    The stock TB3 cable is about 50 cm long, hence I have to keep the Razer Close quite close to my computer. Whereas with a longer cable I could, for instance, put it under my desk.
     
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    Ok I follow, too bad that the fans aren't able to regulate it self depending on the temperature instead of going on a constant high spin.
     
    knekker, Dec 31, 2016
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    Yes, I can cope up with the noise while gaming but it is very annoying when I'm browsing.
    The GTX 1070 fans are off but the Razor Core PSU fans never stop no matter the usage.
     
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    Those fans are so loud, aren't they.
     
    Eason, Jan 1, 2017
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    Last edited: Jan 1, 2017
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    Eason, Jan 2, 2017
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    Splitframe, Jan 2, 2017
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    If they don't, they'd be legally opening themselves up.
     
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