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    LED vs CCFL/Standard [M1330 Screen]

    Discussion in 'Dell XPS and Studio XPS' started by MacG!ver, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. MacG!ver

    MacG!ver Notebook Consultant

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    Well I have two M1330's lying around, one with the LED screen and the other with the CCFL. Anyways I figured I could post some pics comparing the two sceens. I know there is already a thread on this, but what the hell. The pics are taken with my 2MP cell cam, so they're not very good up-close.

    CCFL/Standard Screen:

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    LED Screen:

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    Side by Side:

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    You guys have helped me out quite a bit, so enjoy.
     
  2. kickace

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    wow didnt think there would be that much of a differnece

    what about brightness?
     
  3. traveller

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    Yeah, since you're lucky enough to have both @the moment, I'm sure we'd all appreciate some comparison info (brightness, sharpness of characters, colors, etc.)

    That's not to say we don't appreciate the physical comparison - thx for the pics and have a rep on me :D
     
  4. nizzy1115

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    i dont get it. the cfl on the x300 was as thin (if not thinner) than the led one...why cant they make the cfl on the m1300 as thin? its 3 years later in design too!
     
  5. khull

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    i've had dell techs disassembled the cover of my LED - in my opnion i believe that the casing could be even thinner.
     
  6. Freelancer332

    Freelancer332 Notebook Evangelist

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    Thank you!
    These pictures are just what I wanted to see.
     
  7. traveller

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    I agree! When I saw the Sony LED-equipped SZ5 (& SZ6), I couldn't believe how thin they got theirs down to and I'm 99.9% sure Sony uses the same 13.3" panels as Toshiba, Dell & Apple do.

    Many M1330 owners don't really want it any thinner because of the concern of damages to the panel; who knows, they may have a valid point there...!
     
  8. Eiden

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    What he said... please.
     
  9. MacG!ver

    MacG!ver Notebook Consultant

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    Well, after comparing them there really isn't much to say. The LED can go 2x as bright as the CCFL. The LED has better viewing angles. However in terms of image quality, I saw no difference, they both looked crisp.
     
  10. flyinghigh

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    Thanks for the pics. I was wondering how much of a difference there would be for quite sometime
     
  11. ClayMaster

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    can you please post another pic like the frist one in the Side by Side section but zoom out?

    thankd in advance
     
  12. traveller

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    Thx for the info!

    Surprising that the CCFL is not as bright since my Lenovo T60, which is equipped with a no-frills 1024x768 anti-glare panel, is just as bright as the LED back-lid Toshiba Toshiba panel on my M1330... :confused:
     
  13. MacG!ver

    MacG!ver Notebook Consultant

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    Don't get me wrong, the CCFL is bright. But an 8/8 on the CCFL is a 6/8 on the LED. The LED at brightest almost hurts your eyes.
     
  14. MrToad

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    Thanks for the pics - really helpful.
     
  15. burningrave101

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    Are you sure about that? I have a T60 widescreen with an LG 1680x1050 panel which is one of the best screens I've seen on the ThinkPads next to their coveted S-IPS panels and it's definitely nowhere as bright as my m1330 LED.
     
  16. planet_vikram

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    Thanx for the pics....Rep + :)

    Did u notice any difference in sharpness of characters on both screens ?
     
  17. traveller

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    I had them side2side in front of me, both on AC (mains), both @100% and both were the same level of "blindingly-bright".
     
  18. Alfie786

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    Sorry is it possible to know

    the exact weight difference between having the LED or not

    cheers.

    AND WHICH DO U PREFER considering which one would you purchase if u had to choose the one thanks. Also taking note of £100 difference.
     
  19. Rachel

    Rachel Busy Bee

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    This is from Dell.com
    All XPS M1330 displays are 13.3 inch widescreen HD displays with TrueLife 1280x800. The LED display starts at 3.97lbs and is 0.87 inches thick compared to the standard display which starts at 4.28lbs. and is 0.97 inches thick.

    If battery life is an issue for you i would advise you to go for the LED screen as an LED screen will offer you what should be slightly better battery life. LED screens are also brighter as well. I opted for the LED screen when i placed my order.

    Call Dell to order anyway and try and get them to discount your laptop when you order.
    See this thread here for some advice.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2297993#post2297993
     
  20. Alfie786

    Alfie786 Newbie

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    thanks for the info,

    ordered by calling in dell two quotes on the follownig
    2.2ghz, 160gb, 2gb ram, 8400 card, bluetooth, fingerprinter reader, 9CELL Vista hom prem,
    with LED £905
    without £800.
    I had gone with the LEd not knowing the after price, hence why i been asking is it worth IT!!

    WHATS THE COMPENSATION?? and how can i get that?
     
  21. burningrave101

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    Compensation is for someone that's been waiting a long time to get theirs shipped. You just now ordered yours so I don't think you qualify lol.
     
  22. Rachel

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    Compensation is something that you may receive if you face pretty bad delays i waited 2 and a half months for my laptop when i ordered it. They do seem to have sorted out the delivery problems now though so i doubt that customers will be compensated much on late delivery in the UK.
    Also, you can receive compensation for having customer service issues. I had my fair share of those but all my problems were dealt with and i am ok with that.
    You may also be able to receive compensation when your notebook arrives if it is if there is something you are not pleased with Dell may offer you compensation to you then also.
    You got a good deal on your laptop they are offering to you then less than base price.
    If you can comfortably afford it I think that the LED screen is worth going for.
     
  23. Alfie786

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    hmm it will take over 3 weeks may have to start jumping and making myself heard!! As the LED screens are taking forever to come through.

    2 half months WOW thats a long time!! plus they did not offer me the white colour which idi like compared to the black.
    Also wished to hav the N version of the wireless which woudl hav taken furht er time. must or shud hav added it to get sompensation on it!

    I hav gone for the LED but still £100!! is £100

    my mate ordered it without LED and gets in 2 weeks! mines 3weeks

    RACHUK mate do u see or feel a weight difference between the LED screens though??
     
  24. funkmasterta

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    well, you would probably have use some type of really hard plastic (+$100 or so) or titanium shell to protect the screen (+$200 or so).

    i don't know if xps users feel it's worth the extra cost.
     
  25. BlackRussian

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    If your in Europe the added cost for LED screen is 67 € in France £50 in UK & 66 € in Ireland so with this it would be worth ordering the LED screen.
     
  26. bah

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    The $300 premium for the LED screen does seem a bit exorbitant - but you should take into account that the base price of an XPS in the US is a lot less than in the EU. The base price in the US is $999 - it's €999 in Ireland ($1465).

    Also, they charge $25 for crimson red or white shells, while in Ireland at least (where the European Dells are made) it's free. Also, the biometric fingerprint scanners come as standard and you can't seem to be able to order an M1330 without one.

    Configuring an XPS M1330 with LED screen and crimson red casing, with all other features identical (bar the fingerprint reader), costs €1079 ($1580) in Ireland versus $1374 in the US. So even though the screen makes it look like they're chargin excessivley, when you factor it into the system as a whole, it (roughly) evens out.
     
  27. amuraivel

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    Plus Europe has VAT.

    They also like to "upsell" on all the models--this trend is consistent across companies.
     
  28. techman41973

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    This is still a big dilemna for me, where to get the LED vs. CCFL.
    I can't imagine that the slightly better battery life or slightly thinner lid is worth $300. Where would a better viewing angle help? Virtually all the time I am looking directly at the screen, not at an angle. Its great that the LED display can be twice as bright, but if the CCFL is sufficiently bright, why would I need it. It seems the only time the LED display would helpfull is in bright sunlight conditions. Please help me decide.
    Thanks


     
  29. WorkinProgress

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    aw jeez. I just want one and you have 2 already lol.

    congratss and thanks for the pics
     
  30. traveller

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    $300 USD? No, I would say it's not worth it unless you need a very bright screen, the extra 10-15mins an LED might buy you in operating time, or the wider viewing angles.

    The wider viewing angles are nice when you're "on the road" with a friend and you want to watch a movie (DVD) together, or, you are a professional photographer and you need to proof your work on location.

    Personally, my notebook is not my main source of computing and I bought one "with the works" because I don't plan to buy another for the next four-five years, barring any catastrophic failure. Point being that the extra $300 is a whole lot (on not) when compared over time.

    The $375 8800GT 512 I just bought was to replace a $450 7900 GT I bought barely over a year ago. Now that was an expensive move, more so than the $300 LED screen on a Notebook I hope to use or the next five years...
     
  31. alexzeon

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    Now is 150USD...
     
  32. InAFr3nzy

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    This might be off topic but I always wanted to find out.
    Can all CCFL display colors other than white. The reason I’m asking is because I’ve seen a CCFL emit red, blue and green. The scanner on my multifunction printer was acting up so I put it into service mode and preformed a test on the image sensor. While the sensor was being calibrated the CCFL was white as usual then started flickering red then blue then green...I was like COOL. I wondered if I put CCFL daemon eyes in my headlights if I can make them change colors too.

    If you can change their colors how is it done? Varying voltage, pulsing or something? :confused:
     
  33. own3d

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    Wow , Thanks the pics they really helped :)
     
  34. derek2615

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    This thread makes me want the LED option on the 1530 even more! Has anybody heard any "inside" information on the availability of LED on the 1530?
    Thanks.
     
  35. eLPe21

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    Good question ;-) I'm awaiting the LED option for 1530 in England as well.

    I check the dell page every single day :D It's available in US so helpfully it will be available soon in Europe....

    My current price is 870 pounds or ~950 if I add the mobile modem to it ;)
    Do u know if it's possible to add this modul later?
     
  36. Forte

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    You wont see one for the M1530. Most definitely will see it for its successor.
     
  37. eLPe21

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    there is one available for Studio laptops so I'm pretty sure that's the same panel so there is not to much to change to make it working,
    and, as I said it's available in US for pretty long time
     
  38. eLPe21

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    U have got the configuration I'm looking for ;-)

    But I think I'm gonna order it today with ccfl 1440x900 display....
    Unfortunetly in UK 7200rpm HDD is not available anymore :( At some time I think gonna buy SSD drvie.

    Have you got any information about its successor? When it will be available?
    I will be greatfull for quick replay cuz I will be callling dell soon :D
     
  39. Forte

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    No exact details, but I assume it will be ready by late July/August.

    No leaks on what it looks like or anything, except there was one news article with a leaked pic, but... its been taken down as I am unable to find it. :/
     
  40. eLPe21

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    Thanks for that.

    So what do u sugest? ;-)
    Wait ( I can wait ;-) ) or buy XPS 1530 cuz the new one can't be much better? :D