sly ill let ya know, supposed to be shipped this coming week.
I been lookin at the hp threads, as far as i know the envy hasnt had the throttling on battery problem fixed. Honestly that doesnt affect me in the slightest so im fine with it, as throttling on ac adapter is a show stopper. Personally i see throttling as lowering the system performance in reaction to something like heat or power. The envy one is curious as first glance sounds like a bios/acpi bug 0_o. I think unclewebb has plans for tests when i get it lol.
vipermike, have you done a fresh install of windows? i remember there was a lot of convo's on the random crashing, it seems those that did a fresh install of windows were fine. Im sure throttling probably affects the stability as well in some respect, but would probably only be under load.
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How much extra did you pay to get the Envy 15 with the same spec?
Granted it doesnt have the throtteling isssues and so you can look at as at least your getting a laptop that works to its full potential. But on the other hand I wouldnt go with the HP just yet incase a fix comes out ina couple of weeks also you have to admit they are plain and fugly. -
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Nice ! good call on the discount. well then I take it back you got a decent deal and the backlit keyboard isnt a deal breaker so I dont think you will miss it and certainly not the throtteling issues.
And as for the design your totally right each to their own, I my self perfer the metal and the insulating issue wont be a problem in Manchester lol as its cold as a b*lls -
Just did RealTemp for confirmation, 1.73 GHz 8 threads the entire test. I might also add that I have a 90 W adapter, an RGBLED, and a 4670. -
you should use i7turbo, realtemp, or throttlestop to monitor the cpu multipliers/frequency. And to watch for clock modulation, which doesnt affect frequency. Also report C0 state, as that will tell use how hard the program is actually working. I dont think cpuz is 100% accurate with the new i5 i7 series.
fluffyuk, in a cold place the all metal bodies probably help cool a bit, like an extra heat sink haha. Wonder if that makes any difference at all hmmmm
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HAHa who knows
lets hope so.
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hey guys i just did a test with prime95 and the Real-time HDR program, i used i7 turbo to check out the multiplier, i noticed that it hit 7.00 when i put it in the power adapter (90w), it did jump up to around 8.5 for a bit
but when i unplugged it, it never reached 12x multiplier :S am i doing something wrong (i am on high performance) because usually if i just run prime95 i get up to a 12.5x multiplier (ive reached 13 once). the max i recorded it at was a 10.68 multiplier, which is better than when its plugged in but not 100%
Thanks!
Here are my specs ... Core i7-720, 900p WLED, 4GB DDR3 Ram, radeon 4670 1 gig, 500gig 7200rpm, 90W power
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you should check out core temperature, maybe that`s what makes it throttle on battery.
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Even at its reduced rate, it is still able to out perform this one plugged in while playing video games.
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The throttling so far doesn't have anything to do with core temperatures. These rigs throttle less on battery power but they can still throttle.
fred2028: Thanks for posting that. The C0% is the important number for the new Core i chips. When fully loaded if it can't report 100% then that is usually a sign of clock modulation throttling going on. That's why you can't just depend on the task manager or on CPU-Z. They don't always tell the whole story if a CPU is throttling internally. -
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(depending on whether it used DDR 2-GDDR3.) is in between a 4670 and a 4650.
However the reason I got the 1645 with the lesser GPU was for the RGB LCD. If I was going to change I think I might would want something more powerful then the 4670.
The 5830 on the Envy sounds pretty nice, its to bad Sony doesn't have something a little more powerful. It does however have a backlite keyboard, and after using this one. I'm kinda getting attached to it.
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The groups feedback on this random lockup issue would be appreciated. My system is configured with the Samsung PM800 SSD option for the record. -
Try the test again with your brightness at 100%, or better yet, play Crysis with your brightness at 100% and throttlestop running a log file. You will have problems then. -
SlyNine have you considered this ASUS:
http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-n61jqa1-p-2734.html?wconfigure=yes
SORRY ITS OFF TOPIC GUYS. Was responding to acomment above.
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I know ! exactly what changed my mind !
If it was better I would have snapped it up.
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Cool thanks for the info, im starting to understand a little better know. If I use throttle stop and buy a 130W adapter I should see an improvement should I ? maybe even more so than the 1080p ?
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Im thinking about FPS ie Crysis Warhead low settings no idea what TF2 is although I probably will when you tell me. Modern wafare and such. If I can get a significant gain by throttle stop and the extra adapter I might spen the bucks.
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Ahh It makes sence know
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UK originally, in the US for a year to capitalise on the exchange rate
Im sure you can find it cheaper than DELL.
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No updates from Dell guys on confirming whether the adapter story is true..business day one, no response.
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Thanks for the reply ikjadoon nice to see someones on top of it. Did they specify a date were you would recieve an answer ?
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I just posted some of my experiences on the Dell forum:
Studio XPS 1645 RGBLED Light Bleeding (Leakage), Red Tint, Extremely Hot AC Adapter and Throttling Issues:
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19318036/19641216.aspx#19641216
I have a 130W adapter on the way to test throttlestop with (already donated). I'm hoping it allows me to be more patient while Dell fixes the throttling issue. The RGBLED issues are just the icing on the poisoned cake.
Sigh, a great machine if only it didn't have these issues. All the other options out there are missing the key items; backlit keyboard, rgbled, 1080p, SSD. Some laptops have some of the those but not one has them all except for the Studio XPS 1645. -
were did you get your adapter from? If it was dell did they give you discount due to the problems encountered ?
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tf2 or teamfortress 2 is a popular valve game, like left 4 dead 2. Its actually a bit demanding for its looks, as its a fast paced FPS.
Throttlestop definitly makes the laptop more useable. If you want to see the performance increase, generally you can max out powerplay in CC to max settings on battery. And play your game on battery and it shouldnt throttle.
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Ye I noticed the benchmarks
ty for that. Yes maybe I should verify Ih ave a problem first.
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I realize some people here have been waiting a lot longer then me, but I won't play Dells game for to long.
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If you are going to keep this laptop you might as well spend the extra 30-50 bucks on the 130w adapter. It stays half as hot as the 90w. Just wish they would release a BIOS that would give some kind of option to utilize the power from it better. In the meantime TS will do fine.
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I have asked this question a couple of times but not really getting a solid answer, I have seen the 130W adapter models that work on the opening page anyone know the best place to purchase?
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Hi all,
Im using a 150W power brick (the one of my very very old Inspiron 9100) Family: PA-15 (rated at 19.5V 7700mA)
no difference here. using the A03 BIOS.
in game CoD MW2 when i hit the 5 tap brightness level. (5 times up from lowest setting) it starts to glitch and stutter
I hope the new BIOS can do the trick, because it's a very gaming capable machine if it runs at full power.
my specs are:
Core i7 720qm
4GB of RAM (1333Mhz)
ATI 4670 1GB
RGBLED screen 1920x1080
128GB Kingston V+ SSD
intel 5300 wireless N
bluetooth.
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Haha, OK, well I actually did get a response.
"No official comment as of this time. They are looking at this from all angles."
Make of that what you will. But that second sentence surely sounds appetizing!
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GDOG1986: Are you using ThrottleStop with your 150 watt adapter? Without ThrottleStop the A03 bios will limit you to only being able to draw 90 watts no matter what adapter you plug in.
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WOO nice to hear! Sound a while off but at least theres light at the end of the tunnel. Glad I didnt cancel my order after all.
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Your a star thanks mate !
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S-XPS 1645 Throttling Info. and Updates
Discussion in 'Dell XPS and Studio XPS' started by atlstang, Dec 27, 2009.