Windows 7 & Dell Studio XPS 1645

I really want to order the New XPS 1645 with the i7 Core Processor. I was wondering are they pre-installing Windows 7 on any of them yet? I mean they just came out with the 1645 and anyone who orders like now will receive after the 22nd after Windows 7's general availability. I'm getting so sick and tired of waiting for them to start pre-installing Windows 7. NO ONE WANTS anything to do with Vista anymore and especially shipping as the default OS on pc's when its successor is less than 3 weeks away.

 

I asked them previously on Dell chat and they said Windows 7 will not be pre-installed on computers with Vista selected as the operating system (including if the computer doesn't ship until a week after the release of Windows 7).

 

Well that's stupid, if you configure any computer from them now, most likely it will ship after Oct 22 unless you do the Easy Upgrade thing which is them upgrading to 7 for you. I want a computer with Windows 7 and NO UPGRADING whatsoever. Why can't they pre install it now?

 

Coz Win7 hasn't launched yet?

 

Yea, but I got the RTM version through my school and they have to have it now so everything can work. The RTM is the same as the final version. They should preinstall now that way people will get Pre-Installed windows 7 on or after the 22nd.

 

Soooo why can't anybody wait until after the 22nd(when Windows 7 will be launched and therefore pre-installed) to order if it's not going to be shipped until after then anyways?

 

Well I think the complaint lands that then they won't receive it until ~1 month after then as opposed to ~1 month from now (both of which are after the Windows 7 launch date).

 

That depends on what configs you're ordering and how many are ordered before.

If they're not shipping until after the 22nd, it means that they are unable to build the machine before then no? If Windows 7 isn't the reason it's not shipping until then, maybe it's the i7s not coming until then?

In that case, the machine will be built after the 22nd anyways so there shouldn't be that much time delay unless say lots and lots of people order before and your order gets processed that far back afterwards. SO really, it's all dependent on the amount of orders they get.

 

Yes I am referring to the Core i7 configurations whose ETA (last I checked) was a week after the launch of Windows 7 (I'm not sure if they moved this up). After the official launch of Windows 7, they are likely to get another cluster of orders from people waiting for it.

 

So as of today the Core i7's are not out yet?

 

They're "out" in the sense that they're done developing and testing, but they're still in mass-production before being shipped and widely available. Think of it like Windows 7. RTMs have been out for a while yet the actual retail versions aren't out till the 22nd.

Dell, Clevo and everyone else basically has the shipping date pushed back to after the 22nd.

 

Well I have been waiting for months to order my laptop because of Windows 7. I really want the XPS 1645 with that new processor. When do you think I should order? Or when would be the best time. I know its gonna probably take a month.

 

Well umm, when exactly do you need a new laptop? If it's not urgent, perhaps wait until after the 22nd, maybe they'll do some kid of launch deal. Or perhaps wait until later during Thanksgiving or Christmas for deals.

It all really depends on when you need it. There isn't really a better date to buy unless you're waiting for some new tech.

 

Uhh, on October 22nd? I don't really get what you're asking.

 

If you're asking about his original question(ad not the one I just answered above), he's asking why is it that the Studio XPS 1645 doesn't come with Windows 7 pre-installed, despite not shipping until after the 22nd.

 

I don't need one NOW, I just really want a notebook after my Toshiba broke this past May. I meant does anyone think on the 22nd Dell will offer Windows 7 pre-installed? I'm gonna say no, at least not until early November, and by then it would probably be best to wait until Thanksgiving anyway for the deals.

 

Well you've more or less answered your own question then lol

Just know your needs and your time of purchase should follow shortly. If you waited half a year for Windows 7(and the i7 from what I garner?), I hope you're not going to keep pushing back the purchase for newer tech(ex: USB 3.0, ATI HD5xxx series).

 

Just order the Day Win 7 is available 10/22/09....doesn't that make it easier? (I see suggested above)....Then all problems are solved.

Or, wait for Black Friday Dell deals, if you are looking for some good deals..Dell usually has some then.


Cin...

 

Wow, USB 3.0 lol when is that coming out? And no I'm not gonna push my purchase to keep up with new releases. You can't keep up with technology ):

I will order that day if I see it listed as the MAIN OS and VISTA listed nowhere.

 

Well, that's only a few weeks away then...I would assume that would happen..Hence *Win 7 Release date*.

Only, patience..and time will tell...oh yeah...and Dell..

 

Core i7 CPUs are available but if you attempt to order any mobile Dell Core i7 product right now the estimated shipping date is November 3rd and it will still ship with Vista despite the amount of time between that date and the release of Windows 7.

 

When Vista launched, XP machines vanished almost overnight. By February 1, 2007, about the only place you could find XP machines was in the clearance and outlet categories. It wasn't until months later that the XP "downgrade" option was brought back.

Given the horrible reputation Vista has, I'd expect Vista machines to disappear off the new PC market even faster.

 

The HD5xxx series are expected some time in 2010(probably mid-year) while USB 3.0 is expected late 2010 IIRC. There's also new eSATA and other newer ports coming along down the years.

I agree though, don't keep pushing back your purchases Chances are you won't notice that much difference anyways depending on what you're doing.

 

Um. No. Manufacturers, Dell included, continued to sell XP machines for over a year after Vista's launch, and still do now as a matter of fact, on their business site.

 

And like I said, the XP downgrade option was only brought back months after Vista's launch, after all the bad press hit Vista and nobody wanted anything to do with it.

I can't speak for the SMB side as I didn't check, but for the HHO side, there were definitely no XP machines between February and April-ish 2007.

 

Well no one still wants nothing to do with it. The service packs didn't do hardly anything and SP2 isn't even on new pc's??? Vista runs so slow on new computers. In my opinion Windows ME was 10 times better than Vista was. Vista should go down as the worst. At least you could run Me on very old computers. When Vista came out PC's less than a year old had trouble.

Anyway I really hope its gone for good Oct 22.

 

Hard to say whether I'd rather have an OS that crashes multiple times every day, or one that's just slow.

Oh, and other than improved shutdown/boot/hibernate/standby/wakeup times, there's no measurable difference in speed between Vista and Win7, so in general Win7 is just as slow as Vista is - 3 years of Moore's law just hides this fact.

So does everyone, including Microsoft

 

LOL, well ME always worked good for me and Vista always crashed. Oh well everyone has different experiences. I read somewhere Windows 7 uses less resources than Vista.

 

Yes, but given the fact that Microsoft's newest OS, with all the the new bells and whistles, kitchen sink added in, runs as fast or better than the 3-yr old Vista on the exact same hardware, is a feat in itself, wouldn't you say?

Basically, with Win7, we've got an OS which was designed to run on hardware made 3 yrs ago. That's better than Vista's requirements which were: buy new hardware now, or don't even think about it...

 

DOS didn't die a natural death; Windows ME murdered it. Windows ME was horrible in almost every sense. 2000 out did it in almost every way. ME still brought along some useful features (System Restore, USB storage support, introduction of WMM, etc.) though. If those ran on top of NT as opposed to DOS it may have actually been a decent OS. I'd say Vista is a much better OS. It's a bit bloated but it brought UAC (and better security all around), SuperFetch, ReadyBoost, DX10, Bitlocker, DWM, a major x64 release (I consider XP's x64 release relatively minor), etc. Though SP2 was relatively minor and only provided a few improvements (e.g. in WiFi), SP1 was a relatively large one.

Benchmarks prove you wrong. Windows 7 brought along improved multi-threading, native GPGPU support, improved SSD support, and a slimmed down base OS.

 

http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/...new-windows-7-pc-for-you.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen

Oh snaps....it doesn't apply to SXPS 16 systems (yet, at least), but it's definitely interesting.

~Ibrahim~

 

It's right here on the forum also....Chaz posted it..in Notebook News and Reviews on 10/5!!
Dell Offers to Upgrade PCs to Windows 7


Cin...

 

Your still better off waiting for it to ship as the default OS, because with this Easy Upgrade thing technically they're upgrading it for you.

 

I don't see the proof. If you're going to make such statements, you should probably provide the benchmarks as well.

 

Yeah, I know that!! I do all my upgrades myself...I already have Win 7 Ultimate (64) on my XPS 1530....I was stating that the awesome Chaz posted same information in the Notebook News and Reviews, section of the forum, also!!

The 1645 with the i7 Processor...would be sweetness....


Cin...

 

That's true and all the ugly slowness associated with it.

 

ikjadoon, I see in your signature you own an XPS 16. Now you have the 1640 right? So Dell is letting you return it for the 1645 with the i7 Core processor? How is the XPS? I really wanna get my hands on this awesome notebook.

 

1. Source for improved multi-threading.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2009/06/04/windows-7-features-improved-multi-threading/1

2. For native GPGPU support source merely look up DX11's DirectCompute.

3. Source for improved SSD support.
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx

4. For slimmed down base install, merely do a self-installation and compare the install sizes or look at the separation of Windows Live.

5. Source for benchmarks [XP (in a few categories) vs. Vista vs. 7]:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=22006

 

Nice post Sephoroth. Good info for those that don't want to search for themselves.

 

+rep, Sephoroth!

@matt

Well, I don't "own" it any more. Exactly: I was within the 21-day period and my hard drive crashed. So instead of just getting a new hard drive, I got a new 1645 which is being built. I really wanted the Blu-ray burner, too.

It was legit for the short week I had it. The RGBLED screen is amazing: everyone, and I mean everyone, who saw it had just grand compliments; even the Apple guys, lol! It was decently fast with the T9600, but I came from an E6600 @ 3.5GHz. Blu-rays are amazing: I don't know what people are saying about black-levels: the Dark Knight looked superb. It didn't get to the level of my Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD ("darkest blacks of any HDTV", cNET), but it was all right. No glaring grays or loss of definition. Could be better, but the vivid colors more than make up for it.

Things specifically you want to know about?

 

Well planned on ordering the XPS 1645 at the end of this month, all depends on whether or not W7 will ship as the default OS. I have about $1800 to spend and want to get the i7 processor, the 4GB@1333 Mhz ram looks quite promising and definitely the RGB LED screen. I am a little worried about the heat. Some say its no big deal. Hopefully the new i7 processor will have it under better control. I really don't need all these high specs I just want the computer to have good specs like 2-3 years from now.

So yeah, how's the heat? I really don't game anymore. Use photoshop CS4 once and a while. Decode/Encode some DVD's once and a while. But other than that listen to music, and browse the web. I really want the Soundblaster X-FI sound card with it. How's that if you have it?