X9000 processor on a Dell XPS M1330

hi

Iam a new member here, and its my first post. I use a Dell M1330 and processor under the hood is a T7100 1.8GHz which is in the 65nm architecture.

I wanted to upgrade my processor to a X9000 which is a 46nm architecture. Is this possible or will i have to do hardware changes like my Motherboard itself!!!!

 

x9000 is a very hot processor. you'll just fry your xps 1330. get a t9300, you'll be happy with it

 

@ boypogi

Ok, but about the architecture, will the X9000 fit on my laptop?? Because i checked it on intel website and when comparing, the processors were in different tables and were classified as 65nm and 45nm. Does this makes any difference????

For the mentionned t9300 i check it out, and its under the 45nm do you think my laptop will support this!!!!!


Overall i just wanted to confirm if a 45nm processor will be compatible with my cpu socket and work well.

Thank you

 

it will technically work with your xps 1330 but it will fry your xps 1330 due to heat. just get the t9300. best price/performance ratio

 

Yes the X9000 will fit in the socket on your laptop. The issue is with the Thermal Design Power. The X9000 requires 44W while the T9300 for example only requires 35W. This could cause your M1330 to overheat and shorten its life.

 

Guys what you think about an X7900 can it beat up a T9300??? I wanted one in the Extreme edition.

Any one just let me know the best processor i can get for my XPS 1330 which will allow me to play smooth gaming with a Geforce8400GS. A processor that wont cause my laptop to fry!!!!

Must i stick with the T9300, just confirm it please!!!!!!!!!

 

The M1330 has the 8400...not exactly what you are stating .

The GPU is the bottleneck...not the CPU. There is no point in upgrading the CPU unless you see 100% usage while playing games that stutter.

 

You will have to stick with the T9xxx CPU line. The X7900 has the same thermal design power as the X9000.

 

@Greg, yeah, sorry its a Geforce8400GS!!!!!

Ok fine ill Stick with the T9xxx cpu line.

Thanks guys.

 

Hi. I’m a newbie here and here is my first post.

I have a Dell XPS M1330 and I bought an X9000 Q174 CPU from a dealer in Taiwan through Ebay.

When I installed the X9000 CPU in the XPS M1330, the laptop did not turn on. The X9000 Q174 CPU sits perfectly on the socket but when I press the power button the blue light of the Bluetooth comes on for a second and then the laptop shuts itself down.

When I install the original T8300 CPU back on, the XPS M1330 starts and works just fine.

I returned the CPU to the dealer in Taiwan and he tested it and said the X9000 Q174 CPU worked just fine with his AOpen MiniPC MP45-DR.

What do you think might be the problem?

Thanks.

Art

 

Maybe the BIOS doesn’t support/recognize it.

Even if you manage to get it working I really don’t recommend it. M1330s are overheating as it is, do you guys want to push it even further ? That’s just asking for trouble.

 

That’s weird. My XPS M1330 runs the Core’s around 30-50 degrees with the T8300. Much much cooler than my XPS M1530 running the cores up to 70 degrees from time to time with the X9000.

Maybe the BIOS does not support but I installed the latest BIOS which is A12.

It should support the X9000 but there is something wrong which I am yet to figure out.

 

OP: No matter the processor speed, you will be limited in "smooth gaming" by the video card. The M1330 is not an extreme gaming machine. You will not notice anything but a very very small difference by going from your current processor to a T9300. You're wasting money unless you run processor-intense programs (not games).

 

I don’t play games on my laptops at all. I have Xbox 360 to take care of that.
I run CPU intense programs, AutoCAD applications, civil engineering software, etc.

I have decided to go with the T9500. Hopefully that will be close to X9000.
The tricky thing is, the latest BIOS update available is A12 and that does not support X9000 CPU. Maybe Dell will make a revision in A13 update and have it support X9000. Who knows.

What is the max RAM, XPS M1330 supports with the A12 BIOS?

 

4GB currently. You may vote for more here - it's unter review:
http://www.ideastorm.com/apex/ideaView?id=087700000000BvcAAE

Too bad that the X9000 doesn't even run. I thought maybe some time I'd put in a quadcore Q9100. With the FSB800 of the M1330 it would run only at 1,7GHz maybe even within TDP35 instead of TDP44 then, since core clock and voltage are/can be reduced. There are some applications (rendering, H.264 encoding etc.) that would run faster in this setup then with a mobil dual core.

 

This laptop is best used with an integrated GPU and leave it at that. The perfomance is quite good with integrated. You are just begging for trouble going the other route, especially when the integrated works quite well already.

 

skagen, do you think you can render AVCHD movies with the integrated graphics? You can with the 8400M GS. That's reason enough to get it, despite its overheating issues.

 

The GM965 (x3100) doesn't have any MPEG4-AVC (H.264) hardware acceleration. Thus you have to decode with the CPU only. So it basically comes down to the CPU horsepower, the Software Codec and the bitrate. I've put CPU load graphs here for 10MBit/s 1080p Apple Trailer content:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=271764

Besides that in order to get GPU accelerated decoding, there are certain restrictions to the encoding parameters, which are often NOT met:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=972503
And only few people know how to get GPU powered acceleration with freeware:
http://ranpha.wordpress.com/page-1/
or to fool commercial software (PowerDVD) to play streams in containers such as .mkv.

 

The CPU is not supported due to the high tdp and thermal design. It will most definitely fry your system within a few days.

 

Actually I found somebody who has the X9000 in the M1330:
http://forum.rightmark.org/topic.cgi?id=6:1565

So I don't think it's a general restriction. However I agree to what most people said already: A x9000 doesn't really make since in the M1330 since once you release the horsepowers, it'll heat the laptop up and thermal management will kick in and lower your temps (and performance).

 

I have just installed a X9000 in my Dell M1330 today. Its working flawlessly, no choppy performance, no boot issues, no errors or blue screens. Worked right after plug and play with no hacks or tweaks or alterations.

My windows vista 64bit edition Windows Experience Index went up from 5.1 to 6.3.

CPU Temps Idle:
Core 1 = 45c
Core 2 = 46c

I was using a T7800 prior to the upgrade and had similar temps, about 5c less then the X9000.

The system fan comes on gentle maybe once an hour or less. For typical browsing I don't notice any heat issues. For gaming such as Half-life 2, FEAR, etc. fan kicks up to medium and sometimes high for a couple moments. This is no different then my previous T7800 though.

Definitly a noticeable upgrade on doing encoding and ripping, raring, etc. Worthy upgrade if anyone is debating it.

I'm using Dell BIOS A15 with no issues.

 

Hmmm.

Which specific processor are you using?

 

... errrrr..... *drool*.

Iinitially dell didn't even offer anything above T7500 @2.2Ghz, though I guess at your own risk, stuffing in a X9000 is nothing wrong...

Dr.Deal, I take it your running Windows 7 64bit? from what I remember, even extreme dual core were capped at 5.7-5.8 region, in WEI.

 

Pray to Dell instead of God to make it possible for ur laptop to hold X9000.

 

I've actually seen some users with XPS m1330s with X9000 processors. I think I'm going to get one.

 

...And I thought X9000 in M1730 would be too hot, let alone in a 13 inch; oh well, 45nm manufacturing process does help I suppose, though so much for sensibility then...

 

Yeah but I always use my laptop with a laptop cooler. So I don't think cooling with be an issue. I never use my laptop with stock cooling. Hell, even on the airplane I bust out my laptop cooler. haha.

 

wont help though, the 1330 will always fry, even without the x9000

 

Wow... never heard of anyone throwing an X9000 into a 1330 or 1530 before... kinda surprised to see the BIOS recognize them, even though they are also Penryn processors.

I'm honestly not sure how you would go about overclocking an X9000 in one of these, as only the 1730 supports BIOS-level overclocking with this processor. Heat shouldn't be a huge issue, as it idles around 35-40C in my 1730, and I know I didn't do all that great of a job with the thermal paste(I'll clean that up once I replace my GPUs).

However, as I've said a few times over in the 1730 thread... if you're looking to get an ES X9000, only go for the Q174. It might be a price premium, but the other ES versions of this chip are junk.

If you're looking to save money, get a T9300 or T9500... a slight performance downgrade, but they're still 45nm Penryns with 6MB cache size.

 

Yeah I'm not looking to overclock m1330. Just want to bump it from 2GHz to 2.8GHz.

 

This is not true. I'm still using the X9000 in my M1330, the metal palmrest is cool to the touch on my stock cooling. I've gamed with it, and nothing has fried and I've used it now for nearly 2.5 months. I have multiple pictures of it in my computer and running applications.

I am currently running Windows 7 Beta with no issues, no heat issues, and loving it. I originally bought this M1330 with the T7500, then upgraded to T7800, and now to the X9000.

No regrets, no need for fancy mods or cooling.

Edit - Quicklite, as stated in my first post, the WEI I ran was in Windows Vista 64bit, but I am using Windows 7 Beta now. I just ran the WEI in Windows 7 and have posted pictures below in the next post.

 

Here are a few pictures of the X9000 running in my M1330. Let me know if there are any specific images you'd like me to take of it.

 

I bought mine on eBay, according to the auction:

Information

Q174 (Intel Core 2 Extreme Mobile X9000)

General information
Type: CPU / Microprocessor
Family: Intel Core 2 Extreme Mobile
Processor number: X9000
Processor markings: 2.80/6M/800
Frequency (GHz): 2.8
Frequency in LFM mode (GHz): 1.2
Frequency in SLFM mode (GHz): 0.8
Bus speed (MHz): 800
Clock multiplier: 14
Package type: 478-pin micro-FCPGA
Socket type: Socket P

Architecture / Microarchitecture / Other
Core stepping: C0
Manufacturing technology (micron): 0.045
Number of cores: 2
L2 cache size (MB): 6
Features EM64T technology
Enhanced SpeedStep technology
Execute disable bit
Virtualization technology
Core voltage (V): 1 - 1.275
Core voltage in LFM mode (V): 0.85 - 1.1
Core voltage in SLFM mode (V): 0.8 - 1
Case temperature (°C): 100
Thermal Design Power (Watt): 44

 

Nice to hear that it works for you.

However I have serious doubts that it works for everybody in the M1330:

a) first of all it's a question of workload. Different workloads result in different power dissipations and heat. In idle or low work loads your X9000 will consume just as much energy as any other 45nm DualCore with similiar amount of cache. Regardless of the core clock since it's running in lower speed step modes.

If it works for you that's perfectly fine. But for example video transcoding - especially H.264 - heats up the processor faily well. Certainly there are synthetic tools such as prime95, orthos, linpack, tat which test you CPU under extreme conditions. However there is not much meaning in testing your CPU at such conditions if you know for sure that you will never reach those (on the other hand why would somebody put in a 2.8GHz CPU if he doesn't intend to use it).

b) Cooling/Environment: It makes a big difference whether you test prime95 or any other high cpu load application for just 3 min or 30 min. If your notebook stands flat on the wooden table it takes ~15mins to heat up the table and from this point on your CPU temps are much higher.

You didn't say much about the environment in which you use your X9000 enquipped M1330. E.g. whether applied undervolting or a notebook cooler such as the ZM-NC1000.

c) Throtteling: You can't destroy your X9000 buy just heating it up. At least not immediately. Thermal throtteling kicks in and some people won't even notice the reduced performance.

This is TM2 in action on a M1330. VID/FID is reduced in short intervals just sufficient to keep the temp at ~95°C:


And this is TM1 in action on a M1330. Idle cycles are injected. The pink line displays the real clock after subtracting the idle cycles which can't be used:



d) You use en engineering sample CPU with Q174 code. This is supposed to be the better one regarding power consumption compared to the Q4GY. It's also the more expensive one: street price is US$ 349.99 (QG4Y) and US$ 485.88 (Q174).

e) I highly recommend monitoring your temps with this CPU. A very good way to do that is using this tool:
http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php
edit CPU_0_TJMAX=105.0 in file hwmonitorw.ini to display the correct temps for the 45nm X9000 CPU. This tool also stores the max temps, which is nice to notice the max temp after having played a game.

 

Thanks for the advice! I will continue to monitor it, I was it to its max, but USUALLY not sustained for hours on end and every single day. I play casual games, rip dvd's, rar huge files, etc. So all my tasks usually only last about an 1hr or 2.

I do NOT use any kind of laptop cooler, or any mods to enhance cooling. I don't even use arctic silver, its 100% stock in every way possible in regards to cooling. I just blow the dust out now and again.

How long are you suggesting this should last before burning out? So far its been 2.5 months (Bought on Jan. 11th, 2009). 1 week? 1 month? Maybe 1 year? I don't know, personally though, if something better comes out after 1 year, I'm liking to just go buy something newer and better haha.

Edit: I tried to download/install that Rightmark application, but it isn't working on Windows 7 Beta 64bit.