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    XPS 15 (Haswell) Owner's Lounge

    Discussion in 'Dell XPS and Studio XPS' started by mark_pozzi, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. shaunnyb

    shaunnyb Notebook Geek

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    Ok so gaming is bad, I struggled to get bf4 to work on the lowest setting, and I am unable to run it in 1600x900 mode without actually changing the pc's dpi. Lotro ran great(mmo). When playing both games the laptop after a minute felt like it was going to melt it was so hot, both cpu and gpu were over 72c.

    As for battery, I have the top teir and its great, I had battery only and left my xps on downloading all night with no sleep mode, next morning it was still half full. I was then able to watch a 2hr movie on it before having to charge.

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  2. seancho

    seancho Notebook Guru

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    I have non-cloud CS6. At native-res and scaled to 200%, all the menus and toolbars in photoshop are tiny. The display is really sharp however, so everything is cleary visible and clickable and usable. Just small. I just now tried knocking the res down to 1600x900 and 100% scaling to see what photoshop looks like. It looks quite good, actually. Almost as good as native res. You could only call it 'fuzzy' compared to the super-crisp native-res text. This would be a perfectly workable option, if you don't want to deal with tiny-ville. You just lose the crazy-sharp image detail of 1800p.
     
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    It's unclear, some people day 6 hours heavy use, some say 3 hours light
     
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    Erasmus354 Notebook Geek

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    72c for a laptop under load is to be expected and not really all that hot.
     
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    kaborchers Notebook Guru

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    Were you gaming on battery or on mains? I understand most systems will throttle if on battery. Seems like it shouldn't have struggled that much.

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    My rMBP gets much hotter than 72c while gaming on Windows, up into the 80's most of the time. Staying in the 70's on a laptop would be excellent.
     
  7. tricky76

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    my F5 key is broken
     
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    Why has nobody posted photos yet or an unboxing video?
     
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    canadakid Notebook Enthusiast

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    How is the performance in various games?
    Also, how is the touchpad with synaptics driver in terms of smoothness, scrolling, etc.
     
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  10. moda

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    I will when mine comes tomorrow (after my exam wee).

    It'll be just a quick 5 minute one at first. Then i'll post up some more photos of whatever people want (that Bokeh hasn't already posted in the M3800 thread).
     
  11. Bokeh

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    I am seeing 72-74% of NTSC depending on what I calibrate with. sRGB is completely covered by all calibration systems. Delta I see is 1.0, but .88 seems very valid as well. This screen is great.
     
  12. mark_pozzi

    mark_pozzi Notebook Consultant

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    Is anyone else harddrive (512gb msata) noisy?

    I can hear it working everytime it is being used even when scrolling down through pdf documents (I assume it is harddrive and not the cpu etc?).

    Am I being picky or is it just that everything else on this laptop is now whisper quiet.
     
  13. senditu

    senditu Newbie

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    Now that I've had my XPS 15 a couple days, I can post my experience with it. I got the top model.

    First off, I've installed Linux Gentoo, so my experiences will be based entirely on a Linux install on this laptop, but there might be some useful information for everyone in here.

    I'd like to say that Linux is great on this machine, and the compatibility out of the box is amazing.

    I haven't managed to get Optimus working, and it seems like acpid is throwing some sort of error when I use optirun, but as I wasn't planning on using opengl for anything besides desktop effects, I'm not really worried. For now, I've been disabling the Nvidia card on boot. I also haven't tried to get the touch screen working, as I don't really care about it.

    When using the Intel xf86 drivers, make sure that you have sna enabled, as uxa is extremely slow and laggy (which makes sense, as this is a Haswell chip).

    Battery life with medium to heavy usage (watching videos, messing with the video card, streaming video on Firefox, manipulating photos with Gimp, wireless on the whole time, bluetooth off the whole time) puts me around 5.5 hours, which is amazing for such new hardware on Linux. This is an actual test I've run by letting the batt drain while I used the system. I'm also running on the 3.12.0 kernel, if anyone is interested. I was messing with the graphics card for about an hour to an hour and a half, which has the battery reporting 25W usage. With the internal card off, and around 20% screen brightness, and even in KDE with desktop effects enabled, I'm around 15 W. I'm pretty sure I could get 6-7 hours of battery life easily with light usage, and I'm pretty sure I could pass 7 hr if I was careful and had wireless disabled. When the screen is off and the CPU is idling (but wireless is on), I'm seeing around 10W consumption. All in all, extremely good. With the system plugged in, and all components set to performance mode, everything is extremely smooth, and when using Firefox full screen and scrolling using the mousepad, there is no noticeable lag. Desktop effects also perform without lag as expected.

    My impressions on the screen is that it looks great, but KDE requires a lot of configuration to get the various fonts to look bigger, and I'm not really sure someone new to Linux is going to have a great time getting the screen to play well with applications/ttys. I've also noticed that my screen has three clumps of dead pixels, two groups which are off, and always display as black, and one group that has its blue component stuck on. The pixels on this screen are so small that the dead pixels are extremely hard to notice, but in certain conditions they stand out. If you don't have good eyesight, however, it's unlikely you'll notice at all. I plan to contact Dell on Monday to see if I could get a replacement screen. I don't really mind the pixels too much, but if I'm going to pay 2k+ usd for a laptop, I might as well have it perfect. After taking a picture with my camera and zooming the picture in, I can tell that one of the groups of dead pixels is due to some sort of impact in the screen--it looks like something impacted the screen, leaving a diagonal mark going across about 4 pixels. This is somewhat concerning if you think about how this had to happen in the first place. I recommend everyone checks their screen carefully for dead pixels.

    The keyboard is pretty easy to type on, though I don't really like the fact that the home/page up/page down keys are on the arrow keys, and the function key must be held down to utilize them. I also find the keys and touchpad tend to collect grease very easily, so I expect this laptop to require constant cleaning. The touchpad under Linux is extremely responsive, expect for two finger touch, which sometimes doesn't register if you hit it the wrong way, but I think I've gotten decently used to it. If you don't plant your fingers exactly on the pad, it won't register as a right click. The scrolling required some adjusting in the settings screen, but there's nothing in Linux that doesn't require adjusting.

    The wireless seems to work extremely well. I've had some issues with range in the apartment I'm in, but the XPS 15 seems to outrange any wireless device I've had in this environment. I have a wireless AC router, so this might also have something to do with it. I haven't tested b/g/n performance. I also haven't tried running any actual speed tests, but with simple file transfers I'm getting 20-25 mb/s, which is good enough for anything I'm doing. The file transfers are over sshfs, so it's possible raw transfers might actually get better speeds.

    Sound quality isn't the best I've heard, but it's definitely pretty good for a laptop. I don't feel I need headphones, which was definitely the case with most systems I've had in the past. Watching and streaming videos actually sounds pretty decent, and the system is definitely good enough to stand on its own without any additional equipment. If all you had was this one laptop, I think you'd be able to survive pretty well.

    I've noticed the laptop is also ridiculously quiet. Even when compiling/updating the system (which on Gentoo Linux uses all cores to the fullest), the system for the most part remains at a whisper. It picks up from time to time and is audible, but I'm a pretty light sleeper, and was able to fall asleep with the system compiling.

    The webcam is recognized by Linux, but I haven't really tested it out. It seems to work fine in Skype, but I've only used it for a couple seconds. The USB 3 support also works well, and I was getting about 110 mb/s doing a disk-to-disk copy from a SSD connected via USB 3 to the 512 GB SSD in the machine using dd (bs=4096).

    A naive test using dd gives me the following to the local SSD (the 512 GB SSD):
    Code:
    # dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=4096
    ^C1335304+0 records in
    1335304+0 records out
    5469405184 bytes (5.5 GB) copied, 12.8108 s, 427 MB/s
    
    This is on top of LUKS (serpent encryption w/ multi-threaded operation on), LVM, and ext4. Pretty good.

    Here's some additional hardware information (if anyone would like it):
    Code:
    # lspci
    00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell DRAM Controller (rev 06)
    00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell PCI Express x16 Controller (rev 06)
    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
    00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
    00:04.0 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Device 0c03 (rev 06)
    00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 05)
    00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
    00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 05)
    00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
    00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point PCI Express Root Port #1 (rev d5)
    00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point PCI Express Root Port #3 (rev d5)
    00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point PCI Express Root Port #4 (rev d5)
    00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 05)
    00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Lynx Point LPC Controller (rev 05)
    00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point 6-port SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 05)
    00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Lynx Point SMBus Controller (rev 05)
    00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point Thermal Management Controller (rev 05)
    02:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 750M] (rev ff)
    06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1 (rev 6b)
    07:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5249 (rev 01)

    Welp, hopefully this helps someone out.
     
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    Aaron_J Notebook Enthusiast

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    Not sure how an msata harddrive with no moving parts can be noisy.... What kind of noise is it? Is it a high pitched sound, almost like the muffled beep of an old computer?
     
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    "Ordered the top spec model of this on the first day and thought it was time to start an owner's lounge as the other thread is full of a lot of posts regarding getting discounts on the machine.
    Will be good to have a spot to post questions once reviews start coming out and once we start receiving the machines.
    I know the model number is 9011 or something like that. If anyone can remind me I will update the title."

    I ordered and have received the top model of the machine.

    HOWEVER - the machine is no longer listed for sale on the Dell site. During a chat with a Dell rep, he indicated that the top model was "misconfigured" and that a reconfigured model will be available later in November. Several attempts to get behind that comment with Dell reps were unsuccessful.

    So I have put it aside and not loaded my data and await a full explanation for what is going on.
     
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    Wonder what they mean by misconfigured? I ordered and received the top spec....hope there's not a problem with it.

    But in all seriousness... what a fail of a launch. How many successful laptops has Apple launched as a case study. Seriously, get yourself sorted Dell!
     
  17. Erasmus354

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    This whole situation with the top spec model is really baffling and frustrating for me. I was waiting for the first user impressions to come in before ordering, and now when I am finally ready to order I can't..... I had one Dell rep to tell me to buy the Macbook Pro 15 because Dell wasn't offering the top spec anymore. I had another rep continually try to send me to the parts department....
     
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    That's odd. It's still for sale in Canada and other international dell sites.
     
  19. kashing92

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    Apparently it was. But some of us are getting (large battery) 4 hours or less with minimum usage. Not sure if this is because of the first few charges or not, so far charging seems to have had a detrimental effect on the battery.
     
  20. mark_pozzi

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    its the noise you used to get from older computers when the hardrive was working away. Sort of a crackling noise. I remember on older computers you used to look down and the hard drive light would be on and you would know it was loading up.

    Essentially my question would be if you open up a program that takes a little bit of loading time is the laptop completely silent while doing this or do you get some noise (apart from fan if it is on)
     
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    Yes, it is pretty bizzare. Then again, Dell people don't really know their stuff (for example telling people you can order the SSD version and add on a regular hard drive, or that that the SSD was not mSATA).

    "Misconfigured"? What does that mean for us owners?
     
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    Were you able to get the nvidia driver to work at all with the 750m? I haven't tried installing the nvidia driver since I upgraded to kernel 3.12 but under 3.11 I was getting a 'no screens found' error in the Xorg logs. I assume you are using bbswitch to disable the nvidia on boot but if you have a better way I am open to suggestions since the integrated gpu is powerful for everything I will need on my portables. I usually do the same thing as you and just disable the nvidia chip to save on power.

    I have the touchscreen working on mine. It started working when I upgraded to the fedora rawhide kernel. I am currently at 3.12.0-1.fc21.x86_64.
     
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    Meant to work for those who want the top teir and live in the USA
     
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    No, I haven't been able to get the Nvidia driver working at all, but I haven't really tried that hard to do it, though the driver does install properly under 3.12. I have a feeling it's not fully compatible as of yet, but I'm not sure. I'm probably going to file a report with bumblebee sometime tomorrow. The acpi error that's thrown looks like it's coming from the kernel, so it's entirely possible the kernel itself isn't handling some acpi communication properly.

    Yeah, I'm using bbswitch to disable the Nvidia card on boot. I wrote a simple script for it. Gentoo's pretty good at controlling the boot process, so it's not difficult to get it to automatically do certain things. I also wrote my own power management script that runs on the switch from AC to DC and vise versa.
     
  25. tricky76

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    While your at it could you write a script for Dell to get their asses in gear and get me my machine already before they go and misconfigure it?
    Thx
     
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    What does misconfigured even mean? Granted, everything said/chatted/guessed at by any Dell rep has to be taken with a big, big grain of salt. The way I see it, the top spec model is configured exactly the way Dell has been advertising it for the last five months. Not sure what exactly a reconfiguration would entail. Don't see how they could change anything fundamentally from what they've been telling potential customers since June. Suddenly less RAM? Smaller HD? Different GPU? Doesn't make any sense at all.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
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    I wish...
    I still have to contact Dell to get my screen changed out due to dead pixels...
     
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    lol on the phone to dell support and it only makes the noise when plugged in
     
  30. mark_pozzi

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    This may be of interest with anyone with battery issues.

    Dell is coming out tomorrow to replace my battery. They think it may be that which is causing the noise. When running the diagnostic test I noticed my battery health was already down to 91% after 3 days of ownership.

    I noticed my laptop would struggle to run through an adobe document smoothly and goes back to a crawl when unplugged. Looks like it might not being getting power draw
     
  31. jsquirej

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    Maybe since they are trying top put out a MBP clone they will "recongifure" and upgrade the CPU and the mSata SSD to match the MBP specs. They've got a good design, weight and screen to compare and a way better warranty but fall short on the CPU and drive setup.

    I was shifted amongst 4 Dell reps none of whom could answer the obvious question (What's up?). Hopefully Customer Service will be able to when they open tomorrow.
     
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    Interesting.. mine has the same noise. Sounds kind of like a CD drive whirring away, kind of random noise, and only when plugged in. At first I thought it was the fan, but I can hear it even when the fan is definitely running (cooling policy is set to Passive anyway). Battery life I haven't tested yet - only arrived today - but perhaps I have the same problem :(
     
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    That is super fast! I'm going to call them about the battery.

    Temp went up to 70C and stays at 55C just casual browsing... what is up? It is literally 10C in here.
     
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    FWIW the 'noise' everyone is hearing is coil whine. Explanation video by old mate Linus: Coil Whine Explanation & Demonstration Linus Tech Tips - YouTube

    It's not necessarily just on videocards, it could be anything electronic. It's to do with the electronic components used (caps/chokes etc).
     
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    also, Australia right? do you call 1300 790 877?
     
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    Been weighing up the pros vs cons on this model and the previous model would be looking at the top end model if any.

    The resolution is an awesome one, more ppi then the MBP currently out as well.

    Old XPS15

    More customization and space for another HDD as well but the new chip there putting it is lower then this Intel Core i7-3632QM processor 2.20 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.20 GHz(2GB Graphics & TPM).

    Current version - Intel® Core™ i7-3520 Processor (2.90 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.60 GHz)

    New XPS 15
    New chipset
    Better Screen

    Bar that nothing else wish i could get my hands on first to see how good it is.

    Are you also saying if i downgraded to windows 7 3200x1800 isnt a supported resolution ?
     
  37. Erasmus354

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    Again those temperatures are fine for a laptop.
     
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    I should hope so! Just that other ppl are saying 55C idle is high when the ambient temperature is 10C
     
  39. Nate Finch

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    I would definitely get the new one. The Haswell chip gives it better battery life, the screen is a huge bonus instead of slight negative (there were complaints about a screen door effect on the old one)... The new one is significantly thinner and lighter...

    Windows 7 will work with the resolution... there's no supported or unsupported resolutions. The thing is that, in the UI you can only set scaling to 150%, which for most people isn't quite big enough (icons and text will be too small). There is a way to fix it so you can set scaling to whatever you want, which just requires some very easy minor tweaking, but it's not available by default in the UI.

    However, Windows 8 is built for touch screen, 7 is not, so that will definitely be a less pleasant experience.

    Up to you, but I wouldn't buy the old one unless I was really constrained on cash, and in which case, I'd probably look at a different Haswell machine that starts off cheaper.
     
  40. Nate Finch

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    Really, don't listen to the people answering the phones (or online chat). There is too much evidence that they don't know what they're talking about, except for the most simple questions. "Why" questions are almost never going to be answered correctly. They may know the state of the world (at least superficially), but they certainly aren't being told why the world is that way.

    Just relax about the top spec. The most likely answer is just that they have a supply problem on the battery or the msata drive, and so are restricting it to the customers they care about more (enterprise) until supply picks back up.
     
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    Sorry to dredge this up from the grave (~200 posts ago). Didn't see it till just now because I was off the grid over the weekend at a music festival in Autsin. I'm guessing you were talking about me being the ex-Dell worker. I'll answer this question and it may help answer questions others could have. (honestly haven't had time to read the most recent couple of days of the thread yet)

    Anyhow, the expedite requests are iffy, but always worth a shot. In theory it is designed to jump your computer as far up in line as possible so it can get put together quicker. In reality it is very situationally dependent. Obviously I don't have access to the info that would help me judge how much it will help you.

    For example, if the thing that is causing the long turnaround is just the sheer number of orders in the system, then it may help quite a bit. However if it is a parts bottleneck, such as they are having to constantly wait on more of the IGZO screens, or batteries, or SSDs to be delivered, jumping you to the front of the line wont help really if they don't have the hardware to actually put it together.

    As for it getting misconfigured...who knows. I've seen unfortunate customers get randomly screwed by happen-chance in the system before. For example my US system order had a line item that read "332-1286 Non-Canada Orders only". Your Canada bound system should likely have something different there. I have no idea that that item actually does, probably just internal instructions for the logistics process. But even if something that isn't specific to your computer's hardware or software like that got messed up on your order somewhere, the automatic scrubbers will catch it and cancel the order because it doesn't comply with some rule somewhere. It is a little annoyingly inflexible, but it is what they have to work with. Believe me, seeing stuff like that happen is just as frustrating for the front-line sales and customer service reps as it is for you. More often than not they don't even have a definite answer for why it happened. They just have to do their best to get the order replaced correctly and get it out as soon as possible.

    With luck though, the expedite request will work in your favor. Keeping my fingers crossed for y'all.
     
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    Could anyone provide a rough translation, seems my german gcse hasn't got me very far :D
     
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    he is not saying anything special or bad at all... so there is nothing new, nor is there any surprise.
    If there is a special part in the video where you need translation, let me know.
     
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    I heard XPS, 130 watts, and Aluminum.. that's about as far as I can get lol.
     
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    On a side note.. the Glare on the rMBP looks less than the Dell. Could just be the angle, but you can make stuff out on the rMBP, and the Dell looks washed out. Can see it best around the 7:31 mark. Angles look similar.. height varies some which could be why though.
     
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    Top spec is showing on the website again for me now.

    E-Value Code: dncwx1249h
     
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    I thought so, sounded much like the initial impressions that people have had here.
     
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    this Dell page is the most confusing. now the top tier XPS system is back on.
     
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    Anyone willing to try to turn it into a Hackintosh? Specs so close to rMBP, would be interesting....
     
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