XPS 15 2-in-1 with 8th Gen Core G?

Intel has put the specs and intro to the 8th gen G series on its website. However, I personally think the site may give us an implication that it might be used more wide-spreadly.

First, on the brief page ( https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...rs/core/8th-gen-core-family-mobile-brief.html), there is a big picture of Surface Studio which apparently uses a 6th gen.

Second and more hidden, in the full spec PDF ( https://www.intel.com/content/dam/w...8th-gen-core-family-mobile-g-series-brief.pdf) on the 5th page there is a 2-in-1 device at the bottom left corner. If you zoom in, you'll find it's a Dell 2-in-1 that we've never seen before. More specifically, it looks like a 15-inch XPS 2-in-1 with a hinge in a style of XPS 13 9365. Could it mean something?

 

Good catch!

That sure looks like a 15" 2-in-1 XPS given the wide carbon panels on the sides of the keyboard. On my XPS 15, the width of the "Control & Function keys" is about the same as the width of the left carbon fibre panel. Same for your image.

The XPS13 and 2-in-1 have much narrower carbon fibre panels flanking the keyboard.

 

Yeah the wide panel on the side is the key to distinguish a 15-inch one. The keyboard itself looks exactly the same as the one on the 13". Looks like 2 USB-Cs on both sides (or maybe 2 USB-As on the left?) while the speakers are still at the bottom. Can't find where the camera is but the bottom bezel looks narrower than 9365?

 

OH DAMN! I'm in!

 

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_s...f8c5f4d2ba87b294ecd1e0c6a3c6fbcbed9ea39a&l=en

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...list-of-anticipated-CES-reveals.275152.0.html

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...-Launches-8th-Gen-CPUs-Radeon-Vega-M-Graphics
"It is worth noting here that OEMs will have the ability to limit the TDP under what you see here. The Dell XPS 15 2-in-1 for example, will have a 45-watt TDP. Dell and Intel adjust for this with intelligent power technology, ..."
Ugh.

 

There it goes: https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Dell-XPS-15-2-in-1-is-real-and-it-sure-runs-hot.269900.0.html

 

Overall package looks really promising.
Hopefully the Intel\AMD combo lives up to the hype.
If it's better than a GTX 1050 I'm in but will wait for reviews to see how it handles thermals and if there's any throttling.
Quick question about drivers will they be available through Dell or AMD? Will they be custom drivers or will you be able to install the regular drivers Intel and AMD offers?

 

waste of reading..not a production model, therefore irrelevant.

 

Some reports say it will have a HDR screen, is that for both the 1080p and 4K?

 

I am not 100% sure. I know both screen will have 100% color reproduction. I am so close to buying one on release day. this is the device I have been waiting for. Small enough to travel, but still keep my 2 in 1 form factor I love. I was close to buying the surface book 2, but I really don't NEED the detachable screen, but I want a sweet device for doing my imaging work on.

Now, I may have a more difficult choice if they do the same thing with the new XPS 13 2 in 1.

 

I was watching the new Linus Tech video from CES and that provides a great 3D view as he flips around the laptop.



The hinges look great.

But with such a redesign, I think dell should have moved the air intakes to the side. I suppose the intakes are similarly restricted in normal and tablet mode due to the big feet. But we have seen XPS 15 cooling much better when intakes are not restricted (eg simply lifting the laptop off the desk has a significant impact on temps right away).

Also, the speakers could be so much better if they were larger and flanking the sides of the keyboard.

 

I can’t wait to see benchmarks and thermal performance on the retail model, on paper it looks amazing.
If it games as good as a GTX 1050Ti I’m in if it’s close to a GTX 1060 and has no thermal issues I’ll be in heaven.

 

I want to see the physical dimensions to see how much bigger it is compared to my device.

 

Just found the dimensions...only 1 inch wider and .3 inches taller. and it's thinner than my current dell. I AM IN!!!!

 

Early XPS 15 benchmark shows the (Dell) Vega M behind the GTX 1050 in game benchmark. Likely due to a <65 TDP (likely ~50) firmware. Dell probably needed to do this because they made the XPS 15 2 in 1 "Thinner"

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Early...-board-AMD-Radeon-Vega-graphics.279332.0.html

Since the upcoming HP Specter 15 2 in 1 is a little thicker, they likely went for full 65W TDP without firmware limit. Might be a better option. It also has bigger battery and USB A port but one less thunderbolt.

 

Behind the 1050, bummer. Looks like I'll be looking elsewhere for my next upgrade...

 

Yeah I've been eyeing the Spectre too but personally I think the copper trim looks a bit blingy , not a deal breaker but I wish they had a model with silver trim or an all black version....should be out sooner too.

 

I am also debating between the 2 for my next upgrade. I have had poor experiences with HP though and many of them are on the little things. For example, most warranty work requires you to pay the shipping to them. This means you are out of pocket 15-20 every time something happens. Dell on the other pays for the shipping. Not saying it would ever need warranty work but that small fact alone ticks me off. Service aside, I do like the overall design of the HP more. The better port selection and full keyboard with number pad is great. Also it has a normal keyboard unlike the "mag lev" on the xps which could be a nightmare. I personally think that having 4k is a bit of a negative and hope there is a 1080p option on the HP. Either way, can't wait to see both of these in real life.

 

The lower performance may be related to early graphics drivers, but these results do not bode that well. The presence of 4gb VRAM is nice though, given how VRAM hungry the latest games are. I was curious about the 2-in-1 but as I don't need this functionality, I guess I'll be waiting for the clamshell version to be updated.

 

Unfortunately no; it is firmware limit

on page 1 of this thread:

"It is worth noting here that OEMs will have the ability to limit the TDP under what you see here. The Dell XPS 15 2-in-1 for example, will have a 45-watt TDP. Dell and Intel adjust for this with intelligent power technology"

referenced article: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...-Launches-8th-Gen-CPUs-Radeon-Vega-M-Graphics

Only hope is that they decide to change the design a little before production.

Drivers optimization usually can account for about 2-5% performance gains (or loss).

 

It seems pretty unlikely they would be able to redesign the machine to move from the 45w TDP to a 65w TDP this late in the game.

Consider the 9560 has a 40-50w GPU and a 35-45w CPU... It seems pretty unrealistic to me that even the 65w variant of this Intel/AMD package would be able to perform at the same levels of an ~85w CPU+GPU combination when we haven't had huge advancements in fabrication process or architecture. No chance a 45w variant could come close.

If you want a powerful 15" 2-in-1, it seems like the HP or Lenovo 720 are still the best choices for a truly powerful 15" 2-in-1. My only hope is they don't give up on a next iteration of the standard XPS 15 with 6-core i7 and dGPU because of this new 2-in-1.

 

Great post Joel.

The 9570 release is a bit later in the cycle than recent XPS15s have been but I don't think that means Dell will abandon the flagship XPS laptop. Several weeks ago, Frank Azor, the head of Alienware & XPS, confirmed on Twitter that the XPS 9570 release is awaiting Intel's new H-series chips.

My gut tells me that Dell will not change the basic form factor until a significant change in Intel's CPUs. The new 2-in-1 style provides some evidence although there were minor style upgrades in the XPS13.

Who knows if 9570 will be BOTH 6-cores and dGPU. Dell has real heat and power production issues with this form factor; the current 9560 is a real steamship with zero headroom and removing most throttling requires a lot of physical modification (look at the 9560 threads here).

I fear some in marketing might argue the 9570 could be differentiated from the 2-in-1 with EITHER 6 cores OR dGPU. Dell will likely run both with performance significantly crippled (either with much slower clocks or heavy throttling in 15 seconds lol).

BTW - I tried a back-of-the envelope calculation for the 9560 estimating power consumption of main components (say ~85 watts as you noted above) to estimated mosfet specs a while back and Dell really pushed the limits here. And there is virtually no vrm cooling (well a bit through the board and some residual air from poorly ducted fans lol). Underspecced vrm and poor cooling probably is the reason Dell throttles the XPS15 when the vrm hits about 76*C. Not great news for the 9570 without a major redesign.

 

Indeed, the XPS 15 2 in 1 is to the 15 what the 13 2 in 1 was to the 13. I do hope the cooling is improved on the 9570, at least to the point where simple undervolting will deliver the expected results. I also hope for more differentiation between the XPS 13 and 15 lines, instead of making the 15 simply a stretched out 13. I also hope the RAM remains fully upgradable, and that a numberpad is not shoehorned in. As much as I harp on the XPS 15, which I used for a period of time last year before being frustrated with QC issues and the extreme throttling, I do struggle to find capable alternatives in this category, as they all seem to have their own flaws. Thought about the Gigabyte Aero 15 for some time, but the cramped keyboard layout, 6-bit display, and inferior build quality has made me far less likely to go that route. The ASUS Zenbook Pro UX550 has also been highly disappointing. The Surface Book 2 15 lacks TB3 and is astronomically expensive.

 

When is the 15 2 in 1 being released? I am placing my order for a 15 2 in 1 and 13 2 in 1 for my wife.

 

End of March or early April. The HP version is supposed to hit the end of February or beginning of March.

 

I won't be buying HP. Had to many issues with their laptops before. But, Thanks for the heads up. I hope they update the xps 13 2 in 1 with the white body and new internals as well.

 

Will this new 2in1 2018 model finally be VR compatible with the Vega GPU inside ?

 

No. The chip will not have enough power for VR.


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Hum too bad. I will give a shot here mymantiz.com then. Not sure if Dell has any plans for eGPU. That might compete too much with the Alienware line

 

This will be released on the 28th.

 

Well, the 28th has come and gone. No xps 15 2 in 1. I am waiting to order one.

 

You can get the basic config now. It (the listing) has some errors though; and UHD panel is not up yet.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/...&acd=1230980731501410&VEN3=821740037214276615

As is typical with Dell, HP, and Lenovo. They will take about 2 - 4 weeks to flesh out the offerings and fix errors. At any rate, they will have a "Memorial Day sale" in the US if you can wait that long. Also coupon codes will probably pop up in 3 weeks or so.

 

Cool. I went on dell.ca this morning and it wasn't there. It is now. My configuration is 3399.00 plus tax. Still almost a thousand dollars cheaper than a similarly config'ed macbook pro with shatty touchbar. Win win! 15 for me 13 for the wife.

 

I see two main configurations on the US site (i5 FHD & i7 4k for $1,500 & $2,200, respectively). Those have ho-hum features (incl 256 GB SSD on both, but additional $150 gets you to 500 GB))

Est delivery April 12

 

Can you configure when you select the device? I can in Canada. I have built mine with 16 gb ram and 1 tb ssd. with the u4k display!

 

MSRP is too high in Canada, but knowing Dell we are likely to see bigger store discounts and bigger Ebates discounts soon. The lack of upgradeable memory is also disappointing, as well as the smaller battery size. I guess its more waiting for me, for the 9570, as I don't really need 2 in 1 functionality.

 

Interesting to see if this system can fully use the 65W or we see another gimped xps. Benchmarks ASAP! Should be cheaper to get 256gb and then upgrade to a 1tb. Hopefully memory is dual channel (2×8).

 

This has already been discussed. It will be a 45W system. The HP variant "claims" more power. Will have to see them head to head

 

Anyone knows the 3Dmark11 score of this device?

 

Do any of you know if new XPS 15 9675 4k uses pwm? Same question about new HP Spectre x360 with AMD Ryzen.

LCD screen id on both on them from BOE or LG?

 

Which laptop (15" XPS 15 9675 / 15" HP Spectre x360) has two SSD slots inside for extra M.2 drive?

 

Some reviews on the 15" 2 in 1.

https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/dell-xps-15-2-in-1
https://www.digitaltrends.com/laptop-reviews/dell-xps-15-2-in-1-review/

Still leaning toward the Spectre x360 since the same specs with the vega are about $660 cheaper.

 

ABOUT DELL XPS 9575 AND HP X360 RX Vega 4K resolution

Could someone confirm that LCD screen not used PWM method for controlling brightness on both of them?

how we can check it with digital camera
youtube >> search >> "PWM Flickering Problem"

 

News. The laptop only comes with (1) M.2 slot. The RAM is not upgradable.

 

Both of those are non issues for me, as I am just buying the maxed out model anyways. It has enough ram and storage space for what I need in this 2 in 1.

The reviews cite the same things over again for XPS based systems as negatives. WEBCAM Placement. I don't care about that foolishness. The positives are FAST, DEPENDABLE, awesome hardware, Best screen in the biz, etc. All things that are important, unlike crappy webcam placement!

 

The keyboard has single-finger Home End PgUp PgDn

 

Manual for the 9575. http://www.dell.com/support/manuals...8c1d1a-85e2-4eee-9585-72b8cb2e51af&lang=en-us

Soldered ram, one M.2, 32gb only available later in the year. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unfortunately-the-XPS-15-9575-2-in-1-has-soldered-RAM.293562.0.html

 

I'm deciding between this one and the new Spectre x360 15 with the same CPU-GPU specs

 

Even it is super thin and high spec, so expensive for a Windows 10 laptop. It is almost racing with MacBook.

 

It's over 700 dollars cheaper than a macbook pro with the same amount of ram and storage and the macbook having a slower processor....NOT EVERY windows pc needs to be 500 bucks. If you can't afford it, move along!