*** XPS 15 7590 Owners Lounge ***

The world’s smallest 15.6-inch performance laptop with a stunning OLED display option. Now featuring 9th Gen Intel® Core™ processors.

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Dell XPS 7590 Drivers

 

Will Brick and Mortar like Best Buy Carry the new model immediately once released or it’s gonna take a couple months?

Giving my budget.... it’s between a 7590 or a MacBook Pro 13 for which I really don’t want but I’m kinda invested in the apple ecosystem to which I have to live with the keyboard... otherwise it’s a no brainer

 

The OLED screen and top camera are nice upgrades. On the downside, Dell and Intel have been refreshing the same basic chassis and CPU architecture for 4 generations now.

If Dell has sorted out the cooling, sleep, and DPC latency challenges, I think this certainly can be a competitive laptop worthy of consideration in 2019 for thin and light systems.

 

I agree, needs to sort out the major issues from the current 9570 model. I want one just for the sweet oled screen but don't want to pay for it. my 9570 4k will have to do for now

 

DPC latency fix has been confirmed by Frank Azor on twitter, when asked directly after the model reveal.
*cooling on the other hand had been summed up in "this is not a laptop for gaming" and that is it..

 

I understand some audio folks were not totally happy with the outcome.

Meanwhile, the service manual for the 7590 is up, and it appears that finally the heatspreader covers the VRM mosfets; though, no vapour chamber, no extra heatpipes, the fins don't appear to be any bigger.

 

The configurator is up

Seems like the touch display is still the top and brightest option... if you want 4K and the i7 with the minimum amount of ram and storage

2 grand

So now I’m still debating between the 7590 or the base MacBook Pro 15

 

Dell took a long time to respond to that and the "fix" was not so good. I do not recommend the 9570 for any audio production or live work.

 

The drivers for this laptop have been released and have been added to the OP.

 

I took a look at it... so that means under the heat spreader is a thermal Pad? or paste?

it seems that not all the mosfets are covered if I'm looking at it correctly

 

No it is the copper plate covering the chips to the heatpipes. Probably a pad or paste underneath and above the mosfets.

 

think its gonna run cooler?

heatsink dimensions seem similar to the 9570... I'm wondering if you can retrofit

 

Got mine ordered, July 11th eta.
OLED was $50 cheaper and looks gorgeous but should be same panel as hp and accuracy looks to be better on lcd 4k, so went with regular option. I9 being 8 core looks nice, but I9 from last year wasn't even 8 cores and couldn't be handled, nor could my i7, so figured that was a waste of $300 upgrade.

Looks like time to return my 2 day old msi gs65 1660ti to best buy and await my new xps.

 

That heatsink looks to have metal covering the hot mosfets of the power sections. It does not take much to lower temps in that area. If so, that could resolve some of the VRM throttling related to power & temps of VRM.

That said, the 2 pipes and fans don't look much changed so I would assume a bit less cooling available for the CPU & GPU.

The XPS models have struggled with some forms of power limit throttling which are difficult for users to resolve. So hopefully this is a nice balance and boost in overall performance.

 

If you look at the picture you posted you can see Dell's engineers have removed one screw from the new designed Heatsink. Now 4 instead of 5.

The new designed heatsink is meant to be able to cool down the VRM's vs. last years models but at expense of one less screw. Frome the engineers (as well the bean counters) viewpoint.... Less is more

From left-to-right: A look at the heatsink in the XPS 15 7590 compared to the one in the XPS 15 9570. (Image source: Dell Support).

At least the VRM's. But still the same amount pipes that has to remove more heat than before. The pipes heat transfer capacity ain't changed.

 

The 9570 redesign motherboard only has 4 screws already. I don't know about a heatsink redesign outside of the removal of one leg due to VRM placement...

 

Oh, why?

I ordered one to replace my E485/X1C6 combo.

I guess I am at the other end of the pendulum's arc, lol.

Jul 25th estimate. i5 9300h (hoping for latest stepping that brings mitigations up to Whiskey Lake levels), GTX1650, 1080p 500nits matte, 8GB (looking for 32GB), 256GB SSD (will likely replace with my 970 Pro 512GB), and 97Whr battery (the most important part, IMO - the battery in my X1C6 has already started failing, despite trying hard to keep it's charge between 20-80%). $1400 after taxes, so about the cost of my old E5450.

I was waiting on the Thinkpad X1E gen2, but the 80Whr battery and the seemingly low battery durability (in my X1C6 and E485) has convinced me otherwise. I really do like the KB layout (especially the navigation keys and fn key grouping), but in the end, my laptop is mostly used on the go. Battery life is still my overriding concern.

The ~5.5 hours of real world usage was just not enough on my X1C6. The laptop's occasional USB-C charging failures pushes me back to KISS when it comes to laptop charging setups (not going to rely 100% USB-C, basically).


Things to look out for:

• S3 sleep functionality. Maybe Dell and MSFT finally get it right. Maybe my user title is 100% apt.
  
• Audio cracking (happened on my old E5450, back then I thought it was normal, since my old Vaio S13 did it too).
• actual battery life when used from 80% to 20% capacity.
• The keyboard ergonomics. Clustering the fn keygroups was a good idea from Lenovo. Their smart fn-alt positioning was a very good idea, too (all important functions, like volume and screen brightness, can be easily accessed with one hand pressing the fn key and the appropriate function key). The XPS15 has none of that.
  
• Matte effectiveness. I've noticed on an XPS 9343, the matte coating is much lighter than my E5450. It may not be as effective.
• Fan noise?
• Throttling after 30min. On my old E5450, the system would perform okay for about 10 minutes while gaming (Starcraft 2 coop), then really throttle down. The system would not recover until after a long period of idle activity.

 

I'll wait for reviews and more user feedback to trickle in, during which time Dell will start putting it on sale. I would like to wait for the X1E Gen 2, but I know the battery life will be worse and Lenovo is taking too long to release it. Also, the MSRP for Thinkpads is too high and I'll likely have to wait until Black Friday for it to be closer in price to the XPS 15. At least the FHD display options are better there than before, with a brighter FHD HDR option as an upgrade. I really hope this XPS is a keeper, as I really need to move on from my creaky 3 year old MSI GE62, which requires me to be always close to an outlet.

 

I had to write this:

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/282...rt-shipping-soon-but-should-you-even-buy-one/


There's an old saying that goes "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".

The question about buying the XPS 15 7590 for me is this: What do you call it when you get fooled four times?

An idiot?

An optimist?

A laptop reviewer?

 

Nice article @Eason . Everyone considering the XPS should start with that article and then comb through these forums.

The 9550 was a ground-breaking laptop that took the world by storm. It also took Dell a year to sort out a lot of the bugs to make the laptop usable. In my usage scenarios, the 9560 did not offer a significant boost in performance. The 9570 has too many unresolved issues for me, particularly the DPC latency quirks.

The 7590 could be a big winner, even with a chassis that is 4 generations old. But Dell just needs to sort out a handful of lingering "quirks". Arguably, the 3rd generation should have been virtually flawless, so we can only hope with the 4th. . .

 

I still have 9550 and I'm considering 7590. But when buying I will go with i9, on Macbooks the 8 core i9 can hold almost same CPU frequency as the i7 while utilizing same package power. The i9 in them has a slight undervolt, looks like -60mV but still the power efficiency of the i9 seems to be a lot higher than i7.

The 9550 became one the most stable laptops I've ever had, although getting it to work felt as if I bought DIY kit, after initial hardware mods took months to get proper drivers from Dell without relying on other manufacturers like Asus as software source.

I'm wondering if one can still put 2.5 inch drive in it. I don't care much about battery life, but I would love to dump one of those Micron 8TB plus a 2TB NVMe in it.

 

Yeah, 56Whr + 2.5" is still an option on the Dell website. I don't know if anything other than the i5 quad core SKUs offer it, however.

 

I've seen that the i5 has 56Whr, but the specs list "256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive" only. Maybe some future option with i3 will have SATA SSD explicitly stated. Anyway, I know that I will have to buy the big battery with i9, but then I'd like to swap it with small one plus sata cable. I guess I'll have to wait after first users will pop the lid and have a look inside.

EDIT - I had a look at the "Setup and specifications" pdf, and there is a small but maybe significant change on the 7590 one. It says :

Your computer supports one of the following configurations:
• One 2.5-inch hard-drive
• One M.2 2230/2280 solid-state drive (SSD)

The same document for 9570 doesn't have this part, it just lists the two drives. The same "Storage" section on 7590 also doesn't list SATA interface on M.2 port, just NVMe. So I'm thinking, maybe they share PCIe lanes and putting NVMe drive disables the regular SATA connector.

EDIT2 - The internal ports section lists both SATA and NVMe for M.2 connector.

 

Same here.

Still a few quirks I can overlook, like wonky headphone out.

 

Ah, I see. I did not look hard enough. I based my comment off of the service manual for the XPS 7590 and assumed the M.2 slot and SATA port would function as it did in previous years. My mistake.

Of note, the H series i3s are gone now, with the i5 (+HT) rounding out the bottom of the lineup.

 

Dell XPS 15 7590 System BIOS 1.1.1

Spoiler: Changelog

Fixes:
- Fixed the issue where other devices get detected when Thunderbolt Adapter Configuration is set to Display port and USB only.
- Corrects HDD password authentication policy.

Enhancements:
- Enhanced the compatibility of Jabra office headset when connected to Dell Docking Station WD19.

 

Yeah, looks like some of the early adopters have already gotten their 7590s, so they are definitely out in the wild now.

 

Extra-special enhancements:
- Enhanced the performance of the device thermally by throttling CPU at 70C and GPU at 52C.

(I've ordered mine to review, but it won't ship for at least a week I'd say)

 

This will come after most websites have posted the reviews of this model

 

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I will buy one based off your review... if the heat issues and throttling is pretty much the same as the 9570..... I'm going Macbook Pro 15 with applecare for the better customer service

Too be perfectly honest.... I have no preference to windows or mac but for me to get windows it has to run Halo Wars 2 comfortably

 

How is throttling these parts at normal casual-use operating temperatures considered a performance enhancement? Is that really what they do, or has sarcasm become a means of coping with the heartache associated with broken products?

Clever marketing, but those paying attention might notice a trend.

 

Some first benchmarks: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/c8x5ij/xps15_7590_initial_benchmarks_first_impressions/

DPC latency seems same as on the 9570, no change: https://imgur.com/YHa6DkV


Post owner said dGPU reached 78°C, seems Dell forgot to implement the 74°C throttle of the 9570 for the dGPU. Mostly will come after all reviews are done with an upcoming bios in 2-3 months.

CPU typical running hot around 95-100°C at max turbo.

 

I suppose I should add another question onto my list:

Does the 4 core version also get the "new" mobo layout and VRM heatsinks? I guess I'll find out.

 

I’d like to know this as well.

The 4 core SKU with no dGPU, 1080p display, 8GB ram, 256GB SSD and upgrade to the 97WH battery is $1,150. As a result, I’m thinking this would have the best battery life and thermals and good for general productivity MS office suite tasks for a person on the go like myself.

 

Not impressive DPC latency despite a very short run.

We know Dell does not unleash these to the public with polished drivers so hoping results improve in a few weeks or a few months.

 

A reminder that any "XPS 15 7590 reviews" out already aren't really reviews. Wait 2-3 weeks.

 

Sure they aren't reviewers, but it is user experience, which in many ways is better than most reviews out there.

Looks like Dell kept the 75C throttle set point on the GPU, such a shame.

 

Looks like people who ordered the day before me are already getting their laptops! Though the few examples I can find are running a stock configuration (4k OLED i7/i9), and I chose a few upgrade options (from an i5 base model), so mine may be delayed, compared to their laptops.

 

So you are a laptop reviewer then?

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https://twitter.com/Andrius27122010/status/1120809922755813377 Here is the tweet thread, in which former Dell/Alienware employee stated, it should be fixed..

 

... .... ................. ... : P I like the "former Dell employee" part though.

 

That "statement" is worth the paper it is written on.

 

interested on doing the same. please keep us updated.

 

So what you guys think?




Don’t seem like bad performance.... considering the only game I’m willing to play on pc is Halo Wars 2

 

XPS 15 7590: No DPC latency issues, but 75 °C throttling and no S3 sleep. notebookcheck.net July 7,2019

The XPS 15 7590 is less than two weeks old, but consumers are already realising that the device retains some of the issues that plagued its predecessors. 75 °C throttling and no S3 sleep sound familiar to anyone?

 

I dont think these egg cooking temperatures will stay for long, throttle bios updates inc, after all reviews are done.

The dGPU will throttle to 1395MHz (is it even one? whats the normal boost of the 1650 in the 7590?) it seems above 75°C, instead of the cripple total shutdown mode of the 9570 to 800MHz. Disgusting.

Edit: Seems it throttles to 1395MHz but then stays at it, even with 80°C, which is totally disgusting. The 9570 throttles into total shutdown mode of 800MHz after 75°C which renders the laptop unusable, but here you still get enouh gaming performance out of it.

 

Disappointing. As suspected just a spec bump with minor redesign of the heatsink and OLED but many of the issues carried over from the 9570. Typical Dell. I'm assuming the GPU will be limited by several degrees once the review cycle is complete?

I was tempted to buy one but after buying each generation of the current XPS I think I'll pass this time. After changing the wireless card, NVMe SSD, undervolting and reapplying the thermal paste to my 9570 it's actually been pretty stable as long as I live around the existing sleep and GPU limit issues.

 

Early reports suggest XPS 15 7590 still suffers from massive FPS drops while gaming notebookcheck.net | July 10, 2019

If the few complaints already out by the early adopters of this new system are any indication, this would be a disappointing end to the 4th and likely last iteration of the XPS 15 using this chassis, which has remained virtually unchanged since its release in late 2015. Hopefully, Dell can further tweak the throttling point of the GPU to ameliorate this issue with a BIOS update (but not suddenly dropping the GPU throttle temperature with an irreversible BIOS update months after launch without notifying customers like they did with the 9570).

<Hopefully, Dell can further tweak the throttling point of the GPU to ameliorate this issue with a BIOS update>. If they increase the throttling point for this "new"model... Will they do it for the 9570 owners as well? Nope!

 

Haha I came here to flog my article. I should get my personal XPS 15 7590 within 4-5 days, but I'm already not very optimistic about it's performance and stability.

 

HeHe, I really enjoy your articles my good sir so continue as you do. +rep

One thing a miss in reviews is Temp monitoring from the SSD's. Many of the NVMe drives run very hot and with hard use (or 2 - 3 ssd benchmarks run in a row) they often throttle as Hell in many laptops. Would be nice if you could implement this into the notebook reviews as well