XPS 15 9570 Owners Thread

So my XPS 9570 finally shipped yesterday and is scheduled to be delivered via FedEx tomorrow. Now that we're going to be getting these new models into our hands, it's time to start an owner's thread to get some feedback and conversation going. Anyone else expecting a delivery tomorrow as well?

 

4k version?

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Yes, 4k screen, i7, 16 GB RAM, 512 SSD, 1050ti. Just hoping the throttling issues aren't as bad as last year's model. We'll see...

 

That is exactly what I ordered on May 3rd. No shipping notice yet. When did you order?

 

Internal 9570 photos from a guy on reddit confirm a familiar motherboard, heatsink and vrm config; this looks like some of the photos in the Dell service manual. It is i7 8750h



https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8jxqux/got_my_9570_today_request_testsinfo_here_will/

 

I ordered the same setup, i7, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd with the 4K touchscreen. Should be here Friday.

 

I hope it doesn't have a Coil Wine.

 

Lol, dell sucks. Why can't they at least fix their VRM disaster like they tried on the 7577 or the 9575?

 

Interesting, from what I can see, the motherboard is mostly the same as the 9560. Chokes and VRMS are in different places, but the screws seem to be in exactly the same place. Maybe the 9560 motherboard is upgradable to 9570 model. I wonder if the screen connector also stayed the same.

 

The 9570 has new screens so I think that motherboard swap is not an option for users.

 

There are only a couple of different types of connectors, I doubt they are different even if the screens are. I still don't understand concept of swapping in the motherboard. Just sell old laptop and buy new laptop... Plus you get a warranty.

 

I ordered on 5/7 but I had returned the XPS 9575 so the Dell rep I was dealing with said they would "expedite my order." I was dubious but I guess they actually did!

 

Is it just me, or is that fan on the right very different looking??? What's going on there over the 9560 which had identical fans?

 

I think it is just the sticker on the right fan center, the lighting, and the camera angle that makes them look different. I thought the same on first look

 

Just ordered my Dell XPS 9570...saved 10% off order for a total of $330. I am happy...must be a new discount today. Should arrive around June 1

 

That's not what I'm seeing - the whole center section looks like it has some height and it doesn't look at all like the left fan.

 

Indeed the fans are different. They have 37 and 41 blades, respectively. . .

 

Probably just a fan with higher CFMs to support cooling the 6 core processor better...as others mentioned, there is no update to the VRM area at all.

 

If the connector is the same, there may very well be a chance that a swap could work.

 

Will probably be buying soon. Any benefits of getting the i9? Is that much of a gain in speed?

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I would say not in an XPS. In something that can keep it cool it may be a worthy upgrade.

 

i'm thinking the same... will the I9 be a great upgrade? hope to see first reviews...

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but i9 is faster with the same watts power.. isn't it? so it shouldn't get hotter...

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Nominal TDP is same 45W. But higher base and boost clocks.

It might be able to run nicely when the GPU is off which is important for many. But we must wait for tests, I don't think it is wise to pay so much extra before seeing the results.

 

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But if TDP is the same, it's supose i9 to run faster at the same watt consumption than i7 version?,
i7 is 2.6ghz and i9 is 2.9ghz at base frequency.... do they both consume the same watts at that base frequency?, if so.... they heat exactly the same at base frequency..... is it that way or am I wrong?

 

I'm not sure, they might have different curves. The i9 also has more cache, maybe other stuff. Surely the temperature rises with the frequency and at one point (which depends on the cooling) hits the throttling threshold, and PL throttling may kick in due to peripheral temperatures. In the 9550/60, the i7 would run hotter than the i5 despite the same TDP; but individual temperature measurements under Prime95 load had quite a bit of variation, likely due to past job quality etc. But also with the i7 the core temperatures with good paste under max CPU load were around the eighties, not critical, and the problematic throttling was PL type due to un-cooled VRMs. With iunlock's mod some airflow is diverted from the main fins to the added heatsink over the VRM area. This generally has a negative impact on direct CPU cooling, but not so much as to cause problems - but not sure if the same with the i9.

 

Technically speaking, the TDP is a worst case scenario maximum heat output a chip can generate (according to Intel). It's a way for device manufacturers to design their cooling solutions. That being said, this does not mean that the device will always use the full TDP and it can actually go beyond its designed TDP over short periods. We know that the 15 watt TDP 8XXXU series can burst to a 25 watt output for short durations of time.

The i7 8750HQ might have a 45 watt TDP on paper, but in reality it may be 40 watt for 95% of the cases (also, every CPU is unique, some dissipate less heat, some more). Dell, due to limited space and otherwise stupid design choices may actually design a cooling system that can dissipate 35-40 watts of power because they feel it is enough for this device. Then, they choose to stick in the i9. On paper it has the exact same TDP of 45 watt. And in reality, it may actually use the full TDP. But by now, the cooling system isn't 5 watt underspecced, but 10 watt underspecced, causing much heavier throttling. I am pulling these numbers out of my ass, as we don't know the true values, nor do we know how much the cooling can actually dissipate. But it does paint a picture of the issue at hand.

We do know for a fact that Dell has underspecced the cooling on the XPS 15. Frank Azor specifically mentioned that the XPS 15 was not designed to dissipate the full TDP of the system (combined GPU + CPU TDPs). So while it may be able to dissipate the heat output of only the CPU, it cannot handle both at the same time. And it will especially not handle a GPU and a i9 CPU load at the same time.

 

The new fingerprint reader being on the power button is pretty sly.

 

This is wrong (no offense). INTEL uses their TDP as an average of the base frequency. Not worst case maximum. So what Azor is really saying, is the system can't operate at its supposed Average TDP. Also if you want to overclock your i9 (and therefore no longer at base frequency), you should be pulling much more power in watts. So why put this chip in here at all?

 

I assume that most people mentining the GPU in here are refering to the dGPU, ie the nvidia GPU and not the iGPU, right? A laptop not using any GPU isn't much use

That said, I am still not sure how the iGPU affects the TDP and throttling, it would seem logical that a iGPU at max load would generate some heat as well and draw power, which should affect the CPU as well in case they are not totally separated.

 

I am sorry, but you are wrong. This is Intel themselves: "Because TDP is a worst case value when running a “worst case” application, most processors, when running a more “typical” workload, will dissipate power that is less than the rated TDP value; how much less will depend on the application and the specific part being tested. This is true not only for the processor, but for every electrical component in a server."

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/white-paper/resources-xeon-measuring-processor-power-paper.pdf

The whitepaper also specifically states that AMD also sees it that way: "“TDP. Thermal Design Power. The thermal design power is the maximum power a processor can draw for a thermally significant period while running commercially useful software. The constraining conditions for TDP are specified in the notes in the thermal and power tables.”"

 

Found this YiuTube clip of a guy who received his 9570. He opened it up and we can see the internals.

I'm curious what people's thoughts are on thermals based on what they see and how the 9570 compares to the last generation.

 

Must be approximately the same thermal results.
Power users need to be ready to re-paste this, add thermal pads or even use some liquid metal.

 

9570 (i7) performance was terrible out of the box. It recorded 79,258 on ROG BenchMark in the first video. (i7 8750H, 1050Ti)

Best score I recorded with a 9550 (i5) was 78,939, of course with thermal "fixes" (i5 6300HQ, 960m).

 

That is funny. My 9575 gets 85,206 and that was before undervolting and such. I also like how he says thermals are good even though the realbench benchmark is not very stressful. If he said that while running the realbench stress test then I would be impressed.

 

I just got my 9570 i9 fully maxed out today. I'll upload some benchmarks and pics once I get to test it out the next few days.

 

And a mini review If possible, thanks

 

Some noteworthy posts from Reddit users:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8kh009/xps_9570_repaste_photos_and_stress_test_benchmark/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8koj1i/just_received_my_xps_15_9570_and_i_have_an_aorus/

Thoughts?

 

If I have to do all of that just for a stable machine, I'm going to pass.

Is this a fair prediction for next year?

XPS 9585: Whiskey Lake-G with Vega/Navi M
XPS 9580: Cannon Lake-H with GTX 1150

I would love either of those.

 

The machines are "stable". Thermally and power constrained, but stable. The users are just trying to squeeze more performance with undervolting/repaste.

I am not at all sure that Intel will manage to get to 10nm next year either.

 

I've had the XPS 9570 for a couple of days now and I have to say this is an unbelievably fantastic laptop. I understand that a lot of people on this forum are hardcore power users that will try to squeak out every bit of juice they can by messing with the internals. But for the typical user of this type of machine (ie: coding, graphical work, extensive modeling etc) it doesn't get better than this.

I had previously received 2 XPS 9575's and had significant issues with both machines that led me to return them (and question Dell's quality control). But in all honesty, the XPS 9570 has been nothing short of magnificent and has exceeded my expectations.

The new i7 chip along with the GTX 1050ti is a great combination and has been able to handle anything I've thrown at it. The fans are quiet, the screen is bright, vibrant and super crisp and Dell seems to have finally fixed the coil whine issue that has plagued their last few generations of laptops. Overall, I couldn't be happier with this machine.

 

I must say. With the new Razer being announced, Dell really dropped the ball on this laptop. With Gigabyte, MSI and Razer now being able to stick 1070 MaxQ's in similar footprints as the XPS 15, Dell should've gone for a 1060 MaxQ.

There are plenty of reasons for the extra GPU power beyond gaming. And Dell just wouldn't listen to customers. They cheaped out on designing the 9570, purposely putting out the laptop without even redesigning the cooling system. Even though competition clearly shows that it is possible.

 

I'd be happy if they just fixed the cooling. For some reason they opted to spend their development resources a notch lower instead, on the 2-in-1s, I guess they think that's more of a premium market.

 

Wow, the new Razer seems to be a real competitor to XPS 9570..

 

This heat sink looks promising!

 

I'm just curious if it will cool. If past designs are any indication, no, no it won't.

 

The 9570 CPU seems happy to undervolt but don't have much data on repaste benefits (other than a photo which shows terrible factory paste job). I am cautiously optimistic that a few mods, similar to those we made to the 9560, can make this a good laptop.

The 2-in-1 laptop market has a lot of players so I suppose Dell had a tough time ignoring the space, particularly in the bulky 15" market.

 

You should check our their cooling system though. If Razer is to be believed, they upped the TDP of the cooling by 30% over the last iteration. A massive amount of copper from what I saw.

That said, I really wish Razer would do something about their logo, it is ghastly. A more modern variant, less snakey, would do so much for their branding.

 

I looked at their cooler and I'm not convinced. I have been burned more than once by razer, both literally and figuratively, in the past. I'll believe it works when the reviews say that it does. Until then I'm more skeptical of Razer's cooling than even dell's...