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Do you have one of these now?

 

What I have is what I have in my signature.

 

Ok, Got excited for a min to hear some real world reviews of the new 17.

 

I wish, it's very tempting, but I can only afford to have one laptop and if I was going to upgrade my Area-51m, it would only be to the Area-51m R2 not an XPS as I rarely game but if I do wanna game, I wanna do it at the max eye candy.

 

I was stoked until I saw the $2800 price tag for a 2060. Dell has gone full Apple on this one. Oh well, looks like I'll be picking up a RP-15 or something else.

 

I'm interested in the integrated GPU, 4K model. Base model i5 probably won't be thaaat much slower than the i7/i9 when you consider thermal throttling and my basic workload.

 

Spec for spec, it’s hundreds cheaper than Apple and that’s excluding the easy 10% discount available on XPS laptops generally.

Also, the form factor is pretty much stretching it with a RTX 2060, for comparison - this system is a 130W system vs Apple’s 100W system. Oh and this laptop is used upgradable/replaceable.

I think a lot of the cost might be due to the 16:10 panels (especially 4K ones), with very few laptops donning it, you can be sure this comes at a hefty premium.

Also, is this the first Windows laptop with 4 TB 3 ports? And they even one up’d Apple by including a memory card reader.

I think the pricing is kind of understandable. If you’re looking for a gaming laptop though, look elsewhere.

 

You can justify the price if you'd like, but it's much higher than the previous XPS prices. The fact that I'd have to get a 4k screen (which I don't want) to get the 2060 is just like something Apple would do. The Macbook pro 16 with the i9 CPU and same SSD/RAM is $50 cheaper, so please tell me how they are hundreds cheaper than Apple?

There is no way I'd buy an Apple product because they don't interest me, but the fact that Dell priced itself so high, I won't consider the XPS17 either. Sure Dell has some 10% off coupons at times, but they haven't recently with the COVID sales (now it's a measly $50 off). I also have $200 off for Best Buy with student pricing for the MPB 16.

No it's not a gaming computer, but it was something that peaked my interest. But with the price tag and the fact that I can spec a base i7 model without the 4k screen and the 2060, Dell won't be getting any of my hard earned money. At less than half the cost and a better performing CPU, the RP-15 is going to be hard to pass up.

Sad considering I've owned every XPS since the release of the 9550 (actually many of each model), including the 13" and 2-in-1 models. Oh well.

 

This is definitely the star of the show, compared to the XPS 15 9500. I agree that the MSRP is quite high. The RTX 2060 variant, upgraded to 32GB and 1TB SSD is a few hundred cheaper than the Macbook Pro 16 with the same storage and ram, with the AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8GB. However, that is with the FHD display, and the 4K upgrade brings it to only a little over a 100 dollars less than the Macbook Pro 16. (in Canada)

Dell always has coupons and discounts soon after release, so maybe MSRP is not really the best point of comparison. I'm not sure what the future discounts will look like, as it could be the case that discounts are lower for these redesigns than they have been for the past XPS 15 models, which were revisions of the same chassis since late 2015.

At least here, the 2060 is tied to the 8-core CPU, so I'd be interested in seeing how this 2060 Max-Q implementation with that CPU and only 130w of power would perform compared to the 1650 Ti model of the XPS 17.

 

The base model has the same cooling solution that XPS 15 has..

 

I don't know how much I would trust a company named eluktronics after the sale. Sounds like trebant of the computer world. The price of the Dell will drop after a month or two, and you get in home service if anything goes wrong. Do goodlucktronics offer that?

 

No they won't come to my house, but you have to buy a premium warranty for Dell to do that anyway. Dell has decent service, not great but decent. My XPS 9560 that broke it took Dell 8 weeks to fix it and they would not extend my warranty by that amount of time even after spending hours of my time complaining. I could buy two of the RP-15s and still have a hundred bucks left over for parts, lol...

And Eluktronics uses Tongfang and Clevo laptops, they don't make their own. Although they do add in their own eluktronics boost which really helps performance to the video card. Reading their forms, they seem to have pretty darn good service.

The XPS price won't drop in a month or two, they may offer a coupon but that's about it. They've really over priced themselves with the 9500 and the 9700 and I hope their sales suffer for it. Unless they have a decent deal in the outlet, 2020 will also be the year I don't get the new XPS systems, lol.

 

Do you have a source on that? I just want official conformation.

EDIT:

This is from the product page. I guess the iGPU model has single fan.

"The XPS 17 delivers unprecedented performance in an incredibly thin form factor. O ptional discrete graphics feature unique dual opposite outlet fans, that increase fan airflow by approximately 30% and drive cooling airflow in both directions, resulting in more airflow overall and improved skin temperatures"

 

It's in the service manual. XPS 17 has that vapour chamber for discrete graphcis models, but the base model has the same two heatpipes and a plate over CPU as teh XPS 15 has over it's CPU and GPU..

 

Yeah, the price of xps 17 is high but the target customers of this model is different than other brands, plus the beautiful design leads it to that high price. I will not buy it with full price, but if that is a good deal like I got yesterday, which costs me $2339 for configure: i7-10875h, 16gb ram, 512gb, rtx 2060, 4k screen PLUS I got extra $233 back from rakuten, which brings the price down to $2,106 from $2,749. I think this price is reasonable, since the Gigabyte AERO 17 with RTX 2060 & 4k screen costs $2,399.

 

@luantruong87 It costs 3200Euro ($3600) with that config in Germany

 

Give it a month or two, dell will be putting these on sale like they do with every device they have. Then, go through rakuten and get the cash back. FYI, rakuten dell business has 8-10 percent cash back.

You compare the macbook 16" with the xps 17". So I went in and maxed out the spec of a new xps 17, and then built a comparable macbook pro 16" Not even close.

Macbook pro 9th Gen processor
https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch-space-grey-2.3ghz-8-core-processor-1tb# $5,379.00 Canadian

Xps 17, 10th Gen processor
https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/del...rationid=6f727388-ba24-4157-b170-c3c22bc62078 $4,799.00 Canadian

You get a device that has windows software freedom, 17" touchscreen 4k monitor, 10th gen processor, and the same footprint to one tenth of an inch, and similar build quality for hundreds less.

 

If you look in Dell "For Work" side, they do have it starting at $2299, with the 8-core CPU, 2060MQ and FHD display:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...0-laptop/ctox17w10p1c2400?view=configurations

It also looks like the display outputs may be MUX'ed as the service manual mentions a bios option just like what the Precision 7740 has. A similarly configured RP-17 is indeed $1000 less so I do see what you are talking about with pricing being high. You could have a spare chassis on standby which is better than even the best on-site warranty!

 

Is the RP-17 the Max 17?

Never mind, found it. You cannot compare an RP 17 to the xps. totally different machines. Compare that to the G5 to get a apples to apples comparison. That is like comparing a SUV to a supercar. RP being the SUV and XPS being the supercar.

 

Lol you maxed out the specs? Which specs? You can't get the XPS with a i9 or 8TB SSD so that wouldn't be a great comparison.

Here is a good comparison without being unrealistic on the specs:
XPS 17 $2792.99:
i7-10875H, 16GB DDR4, 1TB SSD, RTX 2060

MBP 16 $2799:
i9-9880H, 16GB DDR4, 1TB SSD, AMD 5500M

I would rather have the XPS17 because it's what I would prefer, but it's not any cheaper than the MBP16. Which really was my whole point, Dell is now the new Apple in terms of pricing. It's $1000 more than I would spend even on a whim.

LOL the RP 17 and 15 will run circles around the XPS in terms of performance, so I would say the RP would be the supercar. My point is that if I want something worth the money it's the RP not the XPS. Why spend 2x for 1/2 the performance? Yeah it's slender and looks great, but not 2x great...

 

I maxed out the frigging xps 17, as stated, and built the frigging Macbook pro to match. Look at the two builds before you comment.

 

You maxed out the XPS and then added the additional arbitrary updates to the MBP? And that proves what? Your linked builds don't actually have the saved specs (it reverts to default) but thanks for questioning my ability to click on them.

*on edit*
Just for fun I added the 64GB of ram and 2TB SSD to the MBP and it is indeed $200 Canadian more expensive. Within the realm of reason for someone who thinks they need to max out the specs on a whim... Only about $2500 more than I would ever consider spending on any laptop, lol.

 

It compares apples to apples. The same specs in the devices. There should not be a 600 dollar difference. But there is.

 

There isn't a $600 difference, there is a $200 difference. Less than 5%...

 

There is a 600 dollar difference in my country. Simple. I listed the two prices for the same specs. Again, read.

 

I used your links. You must be adding something different because changing the ram to 64GB and the SSD to 2 TB increases the price of the MBP16 to $4999 and the Dell is $4799.

 

You have to add the max processor speed of 5.0. Becuase the xps has thst and 8gb of video ram becuase the xps has that.

 

Oh so you mean you have to add pointless upgrades to needlessly inflate the price? Ahh got you, why stop there, may as well add the 8TB SSD as well.

Anyway for fun, the RP-15 with 2TB of SSD and 64GB of ram is only $1,748.95, so you can buy 2.75 of that config for the XPS cost.

 

Why is RP-15 being mentioned in the same sentence as an XPS 17? What a joke.

All these “performance” geeks who use 8 cores to run minecraft and their stupid coding course they will start and never finish.

I wouldn’t use an RP-15 if it was given to me for free...

Sigh, anyway can’t wait to order the XPS 17 - now available in UK but not with the spec I want (32GB RAM + 2060).

 

No. I am comparing apples to apples. Something you refuse to do. Simple. Again. Read.

No thanks. I will pay extra and have a good computer not something from good luck puting.

Rather pay the 600 bucks extra for the Mac over any rp

 

Because for the price it's a much faster laptop. The XPS used to be an affordable offering but it is no longer so. My point was that I have had over 30 XPS laptops in the past 5 years and with Dell's new pricing there won't be any more. It's just a marker for how far Dell has gone to emulate Apple.

Neither laptop will be able to turbo anywhere near 5ghz so you're just wasting money. Also then the MBP will have more VRAM than the XPS so it's not "apples to apples."

You also seem to forget that insulting members (which includes mods) with "Again. Read." isn't allowed per our forum rules. Let me help you with that.

"While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters."

 

I think you looking at just performance are completely missing the point. What good is that price point when you have to deal with plastics (including trackpad), 48Wh battery, 300 nit screen, port selection, horrendous keyboard styling, a chin so big it can be called a quadruple chin, ports at the back, a camera on the bottom bezel, and I could make another 100 comments.

Honestly it’s such a horrible piece of machine they may as well reduce the cost a further few hundred and just give me the barebones in a cereal box instead.

XPS 17 is very competitively priced - you can’t live in the past with “5 years ago” making redundant comparisons, it’s like the guys complaining in 2020 “I miss the days a flagship phone cost £300”, get with the times.

No other laptop with Windows has 4 TB3, it outdoes Apple, no other laptop has 4K 16:10 screen. It also has vapour cooling, something the 16” MacBook doesn’t have. Honestly I lied, it’s a steal at these prices - I almost feel bad about taking the 10%+ discount I can get on it as it is.

Oh, and first laptop with over 100Wh charging over USB-C. I’d buy this if I had to pay 10% more for what it offers.

 

Well, I’m asking myself... why do they offer different Specs in different countries. I.e. 16 GB vs 32 GB RAM ? From the configuration and manufacturing chain Process view, it make no sense to me. Here in In CH the Max RAM is 16 GB - wile in other countries 32 GB is available. Does this make sense?

 

That's your opinion. Also the port selection is better than the XPS. Anyway, I helped you with your language problem, if you have questions feel free to PM me.

*on edit* just about the USB-C charging at 100+W, that's been around since the 9550, so yeah. And the vapor chamber doesn't seem to be worth much since the CPU hits 100C...

 

Being able to hit said performance claims is not what I'm pricing and not a part of our discussions. Spec for Spec pricing is however. And, I am not insulting you, I'm directing you to actually read what I said, it seems you are not condering your responses. Or just don't like what I'm telling you. Not sure which one it is.

 

No my reading comprehension is just fine, we have different opinions on apples to apples comparison. I'll still stick with my "reasonably" priced comparison at $2799 in which they have the same specs and cost the same amount (which was my point on page 1 or so). Anyway I'll leave it at that. I'm sad Dell priced this out of what I believe most users will pay. I'll speak with my wallet and not purchase it. You do your thing though.

 

This is news to me, interesting - although am I correct this is only possible with a Dell dock for those models? Either way, TIL.

re CPU temp, maximum temperatures are not a yard stick to measure how good the cooling is for CPU or GPU because manufacturers decide how hot it can get. We have some companies (eg Razer) who are being more conservative, sacrificing performance over temperatures vs the opposite end being Apple, who will go hell for leather 100c no problem. You can have a laptop with absolute poor cooling with max tempts of 80c - of course you’ll get poor performance out of it.

The way you judge cooling performance is sustained frequencies at given temp. Razer I believe on their newest machines cap it to around 90c and I’ve seen some people wanting Razer to allow the system to get hotter to get more performance out of it.

Intel CPU’s since I can’t remember which generation will never be able to be cooled under say 80-90 and sustain max load ever in these types of chassis regardless of how good your cooling is - they are just so power hungry, their TDP skyrockets hard when boosted.

Initial reviews I’ve seen some praise for the performance on the XPS 17 from hothardware tech (although it seemed in their unit it was going to around 90c, meaning it could potentially get higher scores). But we will have to wait and see.

 

Ok, no problem. I am pricing an apples to apples comparison. you are pricing 2 laptops in the same price. Different specs. got it. Again, if they have the same specs, the apple is hundreds of dollars more expensive. Also, you have no idea what others will pay for anything. YOU would not pay for the xps and that's fine. You like your eluktronics device and that's fine. But to say others will not buy the xps because of the price is absurd. And to compare the eluktronics gaming crate to the sleek, slim and small form factor of the xps is silly. One is a gaming block, the other is a slim, professional device. Aimed at two completely different markets. The xps is NOT for gaming. As is, the RP is not for going to a clients office, home or business to do work. You would get some strange looks pulling out a device with flashing lights, gigantic air ports etc.

They roll out these in different countries. I know, the xps 13 2 in 1 only had 16gb in canada for the first month and a bit, and now you can get the 32gb version. Hang tight, the higher gb ram versions will be available shortly.

Just for S&G I priced the real eluktronics notebook competitor to the xps. the MAX-17. and spec for spec guess what????????they are within 50 dollars of each other. The RP-17 is a plastic gaming brick where as the real Eluktronics device that is actually metal, with the same specs as the xps 17 is 50 bucks cheaper. NOT worth going with the no brand no support of eluktronics over dell. And the dell is smaller overall as well. Something professional users like.

 

You're right, I can't let it go.
1 - The comparison I made with the same price are the same specs (8-core, 1TB SSD, 16GB ram) - it's just more reasonable to assume people will spend $2799 and NOT $4799 CAD with random upgrades. I put links up for you but I guess you didn't click them.
2. The MAX-17 is $1699 with a 240hz screen, that's $1100 cheaper. The RP-15 is aluminum for the majority of the case while the MAX-17 is Magnesium. Sure the MAX-17 a good competitor to the XPS and furthers my point in showing how overpriced the XPS is. And judging by the support on these forums, I believe Eluktronics has good support. Thankfully the RP-15 and the Max-17 do not have flashy lights (or even logos) which goes against your professional looking comments (as a physician I could carry in a RP-15 without worries about looking unprofessional).
3. Yes I don't know what others will pay, they do so some people have more money than sense. That's why I said I'd vote with my wallet and you can too. Dell doesn't have the almost cult like following of Apple, I don't think they are going to hit sales like Apple can. Sure I may be wrong, but only time will tell. My worry/thought is Dell priced themselves out of the market and won't have a 9710 or whatever the next gen will be.

 

Ok, well when you start comparing apples to apples come and talk. until then, live in your skewed viewed life. Dell sells thousands more laptops per year than apple fyi.

Again, please, start comparing apples to apples. base spec pricing is not apples to apples. I priced the device with what I would buy. not what someone else would buy because I don't give two "you know whats" about anyone else. I am stating what I would buy and comparing specs I am looking at the pricing is what i state it is. WOW.,

https://www.eluktronics.com/MAX-17

wow, I guess I am blind, since I see wacky keyboard colors and rainbow farts from the front grill thing there.

Goodlucktronics even states their rp series is PLASTIC.

Tech Specs:
Operating System: Windows 10 64-Bit (Clean Installation, No Bloatware)

Processor: AMD® Ryzen™ 7 4800H 8 Cores - 16 Threads (2.9-4.2GHz Max Boost Clock)

Display: 17.3" Full HD IPS-Type 144Hz Anti-Glare Display (1920 x 1080)

Graphics Card: 6GB GDDR6 VRAM NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2060 (Max-P - TDP: 90~110 Watts with EluktroBoost)

Memory & Storage Configuration Options:

• 512GB Ultra Performance PCIe NVMe SSD + 16GB DDR4 (2 Dimm)
• 1TB Ultra Performance PCIe NVMe SSD + 16GB DDR4 (2 Dimm)
• 1TB Ultra Performance PCIe NVMe SSD + 32GB DDR4 (2 Dimm)
• 2TB Ultra Performance PCIe NVMe SSD + 32GB DDR4 (2 Dimm)
• 2TB Ultra Performance PCIe NVMe SSD + 64GB DDR4 (2 Dimm)
• 4TB (Dual 2TB) Ultra Performance PCIe NVMe SSD + 64GB DDR4 (2 Dimm)
• 8TB (Dual 4TB) Ultra Performance PCIe NVMe SSD + 64GB DDR4 (2 Dimm)

Optical Drive: N/A

Wireless: Intel® WiFi 6 AX200 & Bluetooth 5.0

Keyboard: Premium Membrane RGB (single zone) backlit keyboard plus 10-key numeric keypad

Pointing (internal mouse): Mylar Microsoft Precision (PTP) Touchpad with multi-gesture and scrolling function

Webcam: HD Webcam with dual digital microphones

Ports: 1 HDMI x 2.0, 2 x MiniDisplay Ports, 1 USB Type-C (Data Transfer Only), 2 USB 3.1 (Gen 1), 1 USB 2.0, Full Size SD Card Reader (UHS-I), Gigabit Ethernet RJ45, Audio out & Mic In, Kensington Lock slot

Audio: THX Spatial Audio with Smart Amplifier

Power Adapter: 180 Watt AC Adapter

Battery: 4-Cell 62.36WHr Polymer Battery Now Included! 3-Cell 46.74WHr Polymer

Weight: 5.5lbs

Product Dimensions: 15.57" x 10.26" x 1.18"

Chassis Material: Resin

Warranty: 1 Year Eluktronics Limited**

Eluktronics is proud to offer USA based support. You will speak with a knowledgeable I.T. professional who builds these PC's every day. Reach out for fast and clear assistance in the event of an unfortunate issue !

not another one who thinks plastic is metal on here is it? I don't agree with your logic on the pricing but I thought you knew the diffrence between plastic and metal.

 

I love that you edited the chassis material. Here is what it really says:
Chassis Material: Aluminum and resin

As a mechanical engineer I can tell you this means aluminum coated with resin. But then again you knew that when you edited out the aluminum part. Good try. Also we all know that RGB LEDs can change colors. You can have it white or blue or off or whatever you like.

The laptop that you would buy because it fits your agenda ( coming from the person who constantly touts how awesome your little $600 laptop is...). The base specs (same specs) sounds reasonable. My point is that Dell is now as expensive as the MBP. Yes Dell sells more laptops than apple on a unit basis but the price per laptop is totally the opposite. Dell sells lots of $400 laptops and Apple sells lots of $2000 laptops.

 

I did not. YOU ARE WACKY!

https://www.eluktronics.com/RP-17/


SCROLL DOWN AND READ!

I do think my little dell is awesome. However, that does not mean I am not going to purchase a new device in the very near future since I have move to full time work in an area that I would benefit from a more powerful device. Stop projecting crazy theories. You have no idea what I am going to buy or not going to buy. Because I think my 2 in 1 is a great device "FOR THE MONEY" has zero to do with your silly arguments.



Just to show that I NEVER edited the product page info from goodlucktronics.

 

Looking at reviews shows that the lid is aluminum but the rest is plastic. My apologies, I did not notice you were referring to the RP-17 and I had been talking about the RP-15 the whole time (aluminum chassis). So let's go back to the MAX-17, how do you justify the $1100 price increase there?

Also please use the edit button, it's there so we don't have contiguous posts like you seem to do.

*on edit* my for the money comment is the exact same as yours, that's why I brought it up. For the money the RP-15 or MAX-17 is leaps and bounds better than the XPS considering they both provide more performance. There was a time when the XPS was a good device for the money, but that's not true with the XPS 17 in my opinion. That's why I brought it up. Also it helps to illustrate that most people don't spend $4799 on a laptop, lol... You've been talking about buying a maxed out XPS since the release of the 9575 but haven't done so because your $600 laptop does everything you need it to do.

 

Why would you compare a 15" laptop to a 17" laptop. and the price is 50 bucks difference in the xps and max. So again. I will bow out now since it seems I am talking to someone who does not comprehend.
I get it, you hate dell xps devices since you seem to think every one you owned was underperforming. However, the truth is benchmarking and gaming is not what xps is used for.

 

Your screenshot above shows that the MAX-17 is $1000 CAD cheaper than the XPS, lol.

 

Same specs, sorry it's only a $800 CAD difference...

 

I said I was done. But OK. I PRICED ON WHAT I AM BUYING. I DON"T CARE WHAT YOU WANT, I PRICE ON WHAT I AM LOOKING AT PURCHASING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR PRICING MEANS NOTHING TO ME. THE XPS IS 50.00 MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE MAX IN MY CONFIGURATION. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR PRICE IN YOUR CONFIGURATION IS. IT'S NOTHING TO ME.

YES I AM YELLING SINCE TALKING SEEMS TO GO RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD.

EDIT, this time I am done. this is too silly for words.

 

Now you're throwing a tantrum. Ok cool we are done. You likely added cool things like a 2080 to the price of the MAX-17 to get it to be anywhere near the price of the Dell (since the SSD/Ram upgrades are cheaper than they are on Dell's site), something you can't do in the XPS. I get it, you're mad because you can't win me over. That's not what the internet is for, it's for sharing opinions and such. You should take a walk outside, enjoy some fresh air or something and have a wonderful day.