m1330 LED LCD Grainy? How do you know what's bad?

Hello

I just got my m1330 with the LED LCD screen. I also have a Sony SZ660 with LED LCD. The first thing I noticed was the the Dell screen seemed grainy and not as nice. Sorry, I wish I could be more descriptive. I read a post about some other people complaining about their vostros, but is this a known problem with the m1330? I wouldn't say its terrible, but when I spend $1500 I expect a good product. Thanks.

 

I know what you mean , got my today and it has more of the texture of my desktop computer monitor... which is flatpanel..
I think it may be a way on a glossy type screen to help with
glare. Note sure, would like to hear other opinions as I may send it back but sure love it.

 

Mine looks great, and I've never heard anyone complain about grainyness on the M1330.

 

Mine is not grainy at all, I have only heard about the 1530 having grainy problems because of the lcd panel in them.

 

Can you tell what brand your LED backlit LCD is ?

Just in case, you can tell by going to Device manager> Monitors > PNP Monitors> properties> Detail tab > Select Hardware Ids from dropdown menu.

 

i have an idea for everybody who asks this same question over and over again.

ready?

do this...

1. look at your computer
2. determine if you are happy with it
3. if you ARE NOT happy, see 5. if you ARE happy, see 4.
4. enjoy computer
5. return computer

that's it. easy peazy.

time to start thinking for yourself.

 

I have a "CMO1309" - from device manager - does that mean anything?

Notebookyoozer, the reason why I ask is because I am unhappy with the screen quality but I don't want the hassle of a return/repair if there's no fix available. I thought that by asking, I would have more insight to make an informed decision. Isn't that part of the reason why we have these forums? FYI, I did do a search for relevent topics and did not find much specific to the m1330. If I missed it, I would appreciate a link.

 

It is chei-mei POS screen. I heard that Toshiba with TMD ID is better.

 

using dajanik's method, i've found the ID "LCD2306". after further research, looks like it's a toshiba. it is a beautiful screen.

 

I have an LCD2306, but it has a bad defect with one of the pixels.

It's being repalced. I hope it gets replaced with another LCD2306, as the rest of the screen is wonderful.

 

I wish people would listen. Instead they choose 6. Run around and scream like a chicken without a head.

 

i have the lcd2360 also....it's nice.

 

I like this. Maybe this should be in a sticky so we can refer people to it. Maybe we can name the stickies like "Exhibit A" or something. That way it sounds really cool when we refer them to it.

 

LOLOL THAT WAS GOOD!!! I LOVE MY XPS 1330
oops.. shouting

 

hm...strange that every one here is praising the toshiba screen.

i have CCFL model id: SEC5441. i also just received a LED model id: LCD2306, which is a toshiba.

Compared to the ccfl I found the lcd model to be very grainy. It's definitely whiter and displays the colors better. But I realized how grainy it was and searched up the problem.

I come here and find out I got the better of the two LED's...is something wrong? Has anyone compared the LED with the CCFL screen? In terms of grainyness.

 

I too have the lcd2306 (toshiba) display. And it is super bright, I had to lower down the brightness 2 notches because it was hurting my eyes.

Although, I should note that I am coming from the Thinkpad world and the screens aren't this bright.

 

I have a LED model id: LCD2306. When compared it with the CCFL model id: SEC5441 in Staples Store and the CCFL model id: AUO1424 at Dell display boot, I found that the LED screen is brighter, better in color and contrast yet quite grainy though not to the extend of inspiron 1420 that has AUO screen.
The graininess of the LED display screen make my eyes getting tired after long hours of reading text and graph in white background. However, it does not create much of the problem if you only use your laptop for playing multimedia.

 

Thanks for the reply Techno!

I have the same impression of the LED display. I am having a hard time deciding if it's worth keeping this since, as you mentioned, it makes my eyes tired when reading text. It's also kinda ugly looking when displaying text. Text are liquid smooth on the ccfl screen, but very grainy (in comparison) on the toshiba led. I can't imagine how horrible the CMO display is. However, it displays pictures with wonderful contrast and vividness.

 

What is weird to me is how on aol the blue isn't grainy but white
areas like that I'm typing are can be a little.

Interesting.

 

darker colors tend to hide the grainness well. but on a white or light color, bad.

 

both LED screens have the so called grain. Its a side effect from the Glossy coating and nothing more. It does not vary from screen to screen. I love how these forums are so mis-informed sometimes.

 

Do both panels have the horizontal lines? "Graininess" or sparkliness I can deal with, but the horizontal lines are driving me insane.

 

I just wanted to point out that when I put my Sony SZ and m1330 next to each other, they have a very similar look in terms of glossyness when the screen is off. Sony does not have "grainyness" at all. It is perfect. I'm getting used to the dell screen, but as long as Dell is willing to try new lcds, I'll try to get a Toshiba and see if there's an improvement.

 

LED model ID: LCD2306 (Toshiba) doesn't have horizontal lines, brightness is very good, color display is vivid but having some graininess though not to the extend of inspiron notebook.
The graininess seem fine when you just start using the notebook but it will become more and more anoying when you read text on a light background especially white after a while.

 

With your method, everyone ends up at 5. return computer.

 

With your method, everyone ends up at 5. return computer.
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Now that's sad !

 

The new laptop has a Chi Mei screen, it's not as good as the Toshiba screen.


I hate Dell..

 

Oh crap, I wonder what my new screen will be. Well If I don't like it I'm sending it back and waiting for the penryn or better.
As I've been looking at my m1210 and the screen is not grainy at all and
it may not be bright which I didn't like but man it's gorgeous.

 

Does anyone have actual pictures comparing the 1330 LED VS 1330 CCFL screen? I have searched but could not find it anywhere.

 

FYI, i had my lcd screen replaced and it looks the same. It's the same Chimei screen, Grainy. Dell offered to send a new one, but it sounds like there's no point so I declined.

 

here's my Chei mei LED screen



http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7535545

 

wow that screen is really grainy

 

Wow, mine is not nearly that bad. I guess I'll stop complaining. Except, stop that cpu whine!

 

I just got an m1330 with a "CMO 1309" LED screen (Chi Mei). It's grainy, but not horribly so. I've seen much worse graininess on other screens. I can also see horizontal lines, as if every other row of pixels is very slightly brighter or darker than the adjacent rows.

What is really disappointing though is the color gamut... the reds are very muted compared to my desktop monitor, and the result is that fleshtones in pictures look sallow and sickly.

And the feet are uneven so I have to stick a couple of sheets of paper under one corner to keep it from rocking.

 

WAIT ! That is NOT grain you see in that photo! I don’t know exactly how to explain, but that definitely is a moiré pattern (some sort of an interference created while taking the photo). Besides, even if the photo was perfect that resolution is way too low for anyone to tell if there is grain or not.

I wonder how many people notice that their screens are grainy after reading these threads

 

Yep, that photo has some kind of moire effect much more severely than the graininess I see. But the photo does show some of the horizontal lines that I see on mine... it's not as pronounced on mine but the horizontal lines are similar.

 

Mine that is like that doesn't look like that at all. hmm

 

from a different server




the photos were taken with my phone 3mega pixel camera. i foudn one led out, massage it and it came back to life.
so is my screen grainy or not?

 

I have an M1530 and here's how I decided that it was grainy. I looked at areas that were either white or light colored (e.g., light blue). And on those areas, it wasn't actually pure white. It looked like a very fine grey mist was overlying the colors. In other words, it's not, as someone said in another thread, like it looks like a 1950s black-and-white television set. If you're looking for these huge pixelated screens of static, that's not what we're talking about.

And, honestly, if there was no other option, I could easily live with the screen. However, since there are better screens and the problem can be fixed and I did pay a lot of money for the computer, I decided to call in for a new screen.

 

By the way, I doubt anyone can tell "screen graininess" by looking at photos of the screen for two reasons. One, the graininess is not THAT obvious. It's a very very fine graininess, as I said. Two, when you take a photo of a screen, you're basically losing most of the detail. So just judge for yourself and, look, if you can't tell after a few hours then it's probably not grainy.

 

I have the TMD screen and imo, it has some grain. If you look at the left border of this forum's page, it's a solid, light silver-blue; When I look at this area, the screen looks like there's a very fine layer of water pressed between two sheets of glass. Or otherwise stated, grain

My Thinkpad's matt screen is also grainy to some extent, so it's hard to understand those who feel their screens are too grainy... .

As for the color gamut, as someone wrote above, well I calibrated my M1330 with a Spyder Express and the colors are just fine.

Last but not least, it's all but impossible to take a picture of the (a) screen with a digital camera. I took some of mine with a Canon 350D and a very good lens but I still had moire patterns. It seems unavoidable

Anyways, here's a few pics of mine (& my TMD) if you're interested.

Last but not least, this subject of grain has been tackled before...

cheers

 

so can someone tell me which manufacturer produces the best LED screen for m1330?

 

Here are some pics of comparing the m1330 CMO LED to my samsung 206bw monitor. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14878677@N00/
I'm gonna try to get my LED replaced by dell. You can't really tell from the camera pictures but I noticed some grainyness and when I asked one of my relatives about the screen they said that it didn't look "clear" and you can see horizontal lines if you look close up.

 

The graininess is NOT due to the glossy coating. I have an m1330 with a Chimei LED screen, and a Vostro 1500 with an LG CCFL screen. Both screens are glossy, but the LG screen on the Vostro is not grainy, and it simply blows the m1330's screen out of the water.

The LG is brighter, the whites are whiter, and there is not one speck of graininess. It's like viewing images on a fresh blanket of snow. By comparison, the Chimei LED on my m1330 is dull and striped with faint horizontal lines; and even from two feet away, it looks more like white beach sand than snow.

I also tried an Inspiron e1520 with a Samsung CCFL screen for a while; the graininess on that was so bad that I returned the computer within a week. I'm debating whether to send back my m1330 as well.

 

UPDATE:

A Dell tech came today and replaced my Chi Mei LED screen with a Samsung LED, and the difference is absolutely incredible. The Samsung is brighter, the colors are true-to-life, and the graininess is completely absent. This screen has redeemed Samsung in my eyes; the screen on my e1520 (which I returned) was a Samsung CCFL, and it was grainy like the Chi Mei LED; I'm hoping that one was a fluke, and this one is the norm.

The Dell CSR I chatted with told me that Samsung and Phillips are the only manufacturers currently producing LED-backlit screens for m1330s. Maybe they got too many complaints about the Chi Meis.

The moral of this story is: complain enough about your crappy screen (it took me an hour on chat), and Dell will replace it. Ask for a Samsung!

 

Wow, what great timing. I was about to send my m1330 back to Dell for a refund and possibly order a new one with the hopes I get something better. But with this new info, I think it may be worth asking tech support to replace my led lcd. Anyone else with the same results? Thanks!

 

Good info! How does the Sammy screen ID itself in Device Manager?

 

I called Dell XPS support the same day I received my laptop, and the "specialist" informed me that it wasn't the manufacturer's problem, but rather a pinched cable inside the laptop. Well, they sent for a tech to come replace it, but because of "heavy workload" in my area, that's been pushed back again and again, most recently until Monday. Argh!

 

What is the model of that Samsung? You can find it in Device Manager > Monitor > Generic PnP Monitor (Double-click on this) > Details Tab > Property > Hardware ID > "your lcd model"

I have the Toshiba LCD2306 LED, and it seems to be grainy as well although not a lot (like I saw once on a 11.1" Sony, absolute horror). I compared the Toshiba to my older 700m LCD, and the 700m is silky smooth - not a hint of grain.

My eyes get fatigued when programming on the M1330 after one or two hours, but I can type all day on the 700m without any problem.

I wonder if Dell CSR would agree to replace the Toshiba with the Samsung that you mentioned. The Chi Mei is obviously much more noticeable, so Dell is much more likely to give the replacement. Simply put, the Toshiba is "okay," although I am not happy about it.

 

I'm surprised no one has made this comparison:
A non grainy screen will display white space exactly like a CRT monitor.