nVidia :O u guyzzzzzzz scaring me!!!!!!!!! please help

when I decide to buy the laptop and everything ok. someone have recently posted a comment about nVidia!!

did they fix the problem or not yet:O:O:O:O:O:O????????

I don't want to spend 1300 for scrap laptop.


Please reply I would be happy to call and cancel my order

 

pretty sure it was just on the older Nvidia cards I dont think you have anything to worry about

 

THERE IS NO PROBLEM! Your nVidia card will be just fine.

 

remember you are in a fourm where you mostly hear problems.

mine is fine no probs no overheating even after hard gaming

XPS M1530, Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T8300 (2.4GHz/800MHzFSB, 3M L2 Cache)
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256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
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They haven't fixed the problem, but if you play your odds you are likely to be ok.

 

lol, I like your sig. If it is such FUD then how come nVidia expenses to take $250 million away from earnings to fix a problem that doesn't exist? Fan boy much?

 

There are more problems with the 8400M GS though there are small cases of the 8600M GT. If your having problems playing oblivion at maxed out settings on your 8600M GT, chances are you have a defective GFX card. If you play CoD4 on your XPS and can play it smoothly on your XPS M1530 for example at MAX settings with VERY playable framerates, then you do not have a defective card. For the cases I just brought up, there is NO overclocking involved and everything is runnable out of the box, no reformatting, reinstalling drivers and just sticking with the default that came with Dell.

 

So the Nvidia announcement or rather warning to their investors that they're going to lose money because of a significant number of defective cards was just Nvidia joking around ?

There seems to be a disconnect with some people who don't want to believe that there may (and I stress 'may') be a "time-bomb" inside their notebooks. I'm sure there were some people on the Titanic who didn't believe the ship was sinking until the cold water of the Atlantic hit their feet Of course on the other extreme, there are people who hope Nvidia goes bankrupt over this. We have a problem, we just don't know how bad it is.

If you're planning to get a notebook this summer, you might want to play it safe by waiting for a notebook with a cooler running 55 or 65nm GPU. Some may be released as early as next week. If you already own one with a 8 series card, monitor your GPU's temp. using a program like HWMonitor and pay close attention to these forums & any announcements made by Dell on this issue. Dell might extend the warranties of notebooks with the affected cards (if you only took a one year warranty for example).

 

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ElKid is right: FUD, FUD and FUD.

Of course, there is a problem, but nvidia's 8 series is not "all bad". The failing rate of g86 ans g84 is clearly higher, but it's not a 100% failing rate.

"We have a problem, we just don't know how bad it is."
Not as bad as theinquirer reported.

I think that the failing rate of g86 and g84 is something like 0.001%.

 

Let's hope you're right. Of course if Nvidia & Dell would give us some details, we wouldn't have to rely on sources like the theinquirer.

 

Keyword here being 'think'. It is much higher probably over 10%. You don't file a $200 million earnings charge with a .001% failure rate.

 

Cancel. Why buy now when Centrino 2 is out monday?

 

Nvidia spending $200 million to fix the problem isnt to be taken lightly. What do you think they are gonna spend that money on?

That is more than enough money to fix a large amount of gpu models worldwide. Possibly the G84 and G86. Think about it... what else are they gonna fix with $200 million?

 

Just play it safe and wait for a notebook that has a 55nm or 65nm GPU (ATI 3650/3870 or Nvidia 9600M GT). If the problem would have been small, Nviida wouldn't have set aside $200 million for it.

 

I suggest not to buy yet. First, we still don't know how serious the case is. Second, montevina platform is coming soon and your configuration will probably be cheaper within just a few day (no guarantee).

 

should i stay away from the 8400 gs? because i have a good deal on an m1330 with an 8400 in it and i do game (mostly just cs:s, with the ocasional rts, and gonna be getting left 4 dead for pc; the rest of my gaming is on my 360 but im getting off topic here ). i do have a notebook cooling pad which keeps my current laptop (specs in sig) temps down when gaming but im not sure by how much. i guess i can post the temps with/without the cooling pad maybe tonight if i decide to game a bit.

but my main question here is: should i still stay away from an m1330 with an 8400gs if i have a notebook cooling pad?

 

I've read that the problem affects every single 8400m and 8600m card.

 

Depends on what you consider the problem.

1) If the "problem" is a GPU with a thermal pad as its cooling solution that when 100% stressed runs close to 100 degrees C and has to downclock itself, then as of end of June, this is still a problem since my new 1330 does just that (until I modded it)

2) If the problem is that cards which run in the 90's should be okay, but instead fail at a high rate, I don't know if its fixed or not, since THAT problem is on Nvidia's end. (AKA cards run hot, should be okay, but instead die)

3) If the problem is that Nvidia's 8400M GS card should not be hitting 100 degrees IN SPITE of Dell's thermal pad solution, then again, I don't know if its fixed, since that problem is on Nvidia's end. (AKA cards shouldn't run hot even with a thermal pad cooling solution)

Assuming Dell's current cooling solution is at least a part of the problem, then no, its not fixed. They are still using the same thermal solution they used on day 1 apparently. Their "fix" has been to change the bios to turn the fans on earlier and perhaps down clock quicker.

Lastly, since people's card were dying generally in the 6-month from purchase range, its impossible for ANYONE not a Dell or Nvidia employee (and I'm talking about a high-up technical employee, not a CS rep) to say the problem is fixed, since people that purchase now won't have a potentially dead computer for another several months.

In six months from now--if there are no more dying computers--you'll have your definitive answer. Until then, anyone that says otherwise is guessing.

EDIT: Did a little more research. Seems Nvidia is saying that *perhaps* the material that attaches the die to the board is weaker than it should be. This combined with poor thermal solution is leading to higher than expected failures. Makes sense. So its sort of a combination of #1 and #2 as I suspected.

Its possible that Nvidia has made the materials stronger to withstand the heat over time in new chips--if that's really the issue. Details are still sketchy. But as far as I know as of end of June, Dell hasn't improved their cooling solution beyond increasing the fan speed earlier. Personally, I don't care how strong they make the chip, it shouldn't be running over 90 degrees or hitting 100 (and downclocking) during stress. Heat = enemy of electronics parts

 

I just recently placed an order for an XPS M1530, shortly before all this came to light. I find the lack of information from Nvidia troubling, to say the least. I'll give it until the end of next week and if they can't come clean on what specific components are affected, then I'll just cancel my order and wait until they do.

 

Wait. Why buy Centrino 2 when Centrino 3 is coming out next year or wait another 2 years, Centrino 4 will also be coming out.

 

I received my m1330 on June 25 only to see all of the reports of the faulty chips so I sent it back and ordered an M1530 since most of the problems seem to plague the m1330.

The est ship date is aug 8 so I have a few day to see what nVidia and Dell come clean with and if Dell announces their new XPS line.

Otherwise, I might save myself the aggravation and get the studio.

 

I just chatted with a Dell tech and they are going to replace my 8600m GT. So I'm guessing m1530's with 8600m GT's may be affected. I got my laptop in January 2008, FYI.

I've been having overheating problems since the first months I've had the laptop. I think the problem is real and directly affects many XPS owners.

 

Sigh, please realize that the writer who wrote that article hates Nvidia corp.

every 8400/8600 is NOT defective. Just because the m1330 has heating problems doesnt mean that it's the GPU. In fact, the entire design of the m1330 has BAD heat management.

Also, I recently purchased an m1530 (3-4 weeks) with an 8600m GT and the temps are around 70 degrees while playing crysis, and they idle around 60. This is while it is overclocked to 600/1200/900.

I'm not denying that there is a problem with certain 8400/8600 cards, I am simply saying that every person who owns one of these and has experienced normal temperatures in the past shouldn't worry just because some press report was released.

Don't let this problem keep you from buying the laptop you want. If anything does end up going wrong, you will be covered under warranty anyways, so there is not much to worry about.

 

Replacing it with another 8600m GT?

 

lol if you think of it that way then you will always be waiting and will never end up buying anything. its just how electronics are; they advance too fast

 

True, but if you're about to order and you know that there's a good chance that a new & improved model is a few days or a couple of weeks away, some people might want to wait. You have minor updates happening all the time, but a large update like this usually only occurs every 6-12 months. To be honest, I'm don't think this update (Centrino 2) is all that impressive compared to what's coming next year. However, this time around ordering now and waiting a little longer may mean the difference between having your GPU (and more) replaced in 6-12 months or having a cooler running, more reliable 55 or 65nm GPU in your notebook. Having some peace of mind has value too.

 

oh yeah obviously if something new is coming out in a few days or weeks then i would suggest waiting too. but im just talking about like waiting a year, then the next year, and so on.

and as for right now, i would suggest waiting too because of all these GPU horror stories going around right now. i've made up my mind that now i too am going to wait until all these problems are resolved

 

I wonder if it's mainly the cards with GDDR3 that are affected. Or are there any signs that the 8600GT cards with GDDR2 are also affected? (like the ones in the Inspiron 1520/1720 and Vostro 1500/1700)

 

Yeah, hopefully there are no issues with the new models, but lately I've noticed that getting a good notebook is almost like winning the lottery.