Dell: Old slow SSD's or New SSD's ?

Ok so when I wanted to buy a dell with a ssd drive my friend warned me and said that the old ssd's actually become slower than normal hard drives once they've been fully written. So, my question is: does dell give the old ssd's or the new ones? They do seem rather cheap...

 

Your right about using the ssd too long can make it slower, but the newer ssd's have TRIM which fixes that problem, not all ssd's have trim yet atm, i only know intel supports trim.

 

now corsair P-series, ocz summit and many other samsung OEM ssd got trim...

 

Everyone has TRIM now. And it's NOT the magical fix-it solution to SSD performance degradation. Furthermore, even an SSD performing at its worst should destroy its mechanical spinner counterparts.

Well, the "good" ones anyway.

 

Like night and day.

 

he's wrong.

 

your wrong.

1. SSDs slow down (can be fixed)
2. Avoid Samsung drives
3. Samsung drives will get slower then HDDs
4. Read the following


http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531

 

now with TRIM and GC enabled firmware, samsung drives have no problem on this issue unless you are not able to find the way to update the firmware.

 

from what i understand you (the user) can NOT update the firmware on samsung drives, this may have changed.

last I checked samsung was slow to start with TRIM or no TRIM.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5654331&postcount=1

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/06/05/corsair-p256-256gb-ssd-review/9

assume you know that corsair P256 is samsung oem with samsung controller.

 

This is a very interesting thread. I was hoping one of you knowledgeable folks could give me a little more info on my Samsung 64gb SLC SSD

MCCOE64G5MPQ-0VA F/W VAC1503Q

I bought it off eBay, actually got a great deal but I'm not sure if it came from Dell or can be flashed.

 

lol, no im not. i own a samsung, and have updated the firmware myself.

1. SSD slowdown ? whats that even mean, do you know the actual term you're talking about?
2. lol, why? where else are you going to get a 256GB SSD?
3. thats old news, the only diff regarding speed would be TRIM and GC which are both still available.
4. i did read those, and i said then, what a clown. and lo and behold, i went ahead and upgraded my firmware to a GC revision, myself


before correcting people RTFM, and make sure you're current, to avoid having someone correct you, and to avoid looking too lazy to check google, or even check the ssd thread here ffs.

slow to start with or without? you just said a few posts back, that they became slower than mechanical HDD's. that implies that you thought they didn't have trim or GC. and then you state that you din't think they can be updated via user. if those two points are true, then how do you understand its slow to start with/without trim?

the more you post, the more obvious it becomes you either don't know what you're talking about, or you're just plain lying. whichever it is, please stop, you're going to confuse novice users.

i for one would like to see some proof that without GC/TRIM they become slower than mechanical HDD's. proof other than a little list you made up. even in its most degraded state before i flashed the firmware, i was getting over 100MB/s read times. lets see your mechanical HDD do that.

LordRasta, edit: you don't know unless you try

 

Who makes the Dell branded SSD that comes with the 1645 if that option is chosen? And does it have TRIM? Do they have the slowing issue?

Thanks

 

I'm sure it's still the same Samsung job that Dell's been using for the past year or so.

 

Dell will not buy in a large inventory of SSD's in advance, they will buy them 'just in time', so they will always be fresh stock and have newest firmware.

 

The amount of misinformation with respect to ssds is sometimes amazing. Having said that, I also have to congratulate Intel on the best sales job possible with respect to TRIM.

Now to Samsungs.... To avoid the ole Samsungs (as the adage goes) is a bit misinformed and its unfortunate that some who have no idea of what they are speaking can influence others.

I am running a Samsung 64Gb right now and also have a Sammy 256Gb as well. Both do not use trim whatsoever. My 64Gb has been packed full I don't know how many times and I have yet to do a complete cleaning of it even once. You might be surprised to know that it is running great with no slowing whatsoever after all of these years.

Now to the 256Gb which tops out at 210read and something like 165 write....way above the new Intel that everyone has to have because of TRIM. First off, would you believe there is no slowing of this either???

Secondly, lets say my write slows oh say....-30mb/s and comes down to 135mb/s write. Hmmm...that is still well above the Intel so how do we account for this?

Being pretty much the first guy on ssds here and elsewhere on the net, I have tested too many to count and used too many to count... The dreaded slowing, or pausing, if you might express it that way...I have only ever seen in a Sandisk.

I am not claiming to be the expert or right or wrong about any one thing. I am stating that we need to just sit back, take a breath, and use common sense with respect to the information we are stating.

The truth is that the average user will be ecstatic with just about any ssd they can get their hands on. They will never notice any slowing and, well...Im a bit of a testaholic and even I can't seem to get any plausible proof on my ssds.

Just my two cents and...the only experts here on ssds can be found on the infamous ssd thread..... kinda why I keep my distance eheheheh.

Bottom line...find your price, grab a ssd and love it!!! Dont wait because of the news of the day!!!

Edit: I know some of you are about to stricken me with tons of test links. I have seen them all. I understand TRIM and its concept. I believe it is a plausible response to slowing and very logical. I just DONT believe we should stop the world because Intel has a new drive coming out which supports TRIM....something that has become the drives sole sales point as it is slower than the 256Gb Sammys by far.

 

I love my intel SSD drive, I'm lookin to move to a 160 gb INtel SSD drive, so I'll be putting up my 80 gb one on the market soon. I highly suggest that you make sure your SSD can handle trim otherwise windows 7 can end up breaking your drive. I know it did this to me on the first gen intel SSD drives. , but of course they RMA'ed it 4 me