E1705 - no more NVIDIA Go 7800 !!

I was just looking at dell home today and I noticed that the Go 7800 video card is no longer available on the E1705! The best they have now is the ATI X1400 which is not nearly as good. Same thing at dell business and the Inspiron 9400.

Is the Go7800 gone from these product lines forever?

David

 

I read that there was a shortage of 7800go cards. Maybe they removed it to catch up with supply. I would never see Dell removing the 7800go from the e1705.

 

They removed it because of the shortage im sure of. They just can't keep up with the demand of it, so without waiting a month or 2 to get your notebook, they put another card in the game.

If you noticed yesterday, they had both cards available at the same time

 

I believe that is the way most people would order the x1400 if they knew if was going to be delayed. But I think Dell is trying to save the headache of 1000's of people calling and asking why it is delayed.

 

I see. Yes, I did notice that yesterday both were available. It's too bad they had to fall back to an X1400. A mobility X1600 or X1800 would have been a nicer replacement to see Hopefully the drought on the 7800 won't last long.

Their timing was bad for me, a $650 off $1999 Inspiron coupon just started today. Thanks for the replies.

David

 

does anyone know if you can still order the 7800 although u will have to wait?
2) do you think that it's that big a difference?
3)would i be able to upgrade to the 7800?

 

The X1400 is a lot slower, they are not almost the same as some people think. I think there is a good chance you would be able to upgrade in the future. It is very unlikely that dell would rework the whole chassis of the E1705 just to be able to support the X1400.

David

 

but does anyone know if i could still order the 7800 and wait until it was available?

 

Yes, you'll be able to upgrade to the 7800 since the ATI is dedicated card. Dell is one of the few manufacturers that does allow the upgrade, but it won't be included in your warranty.

I doubt it. If the 7800 isn't offered on Dell's website, then they aren't offering it right now.

 

Thanks SG, now do you know how hard a install that is?

 

for the card?

It shouldn't be that hard. It should just be taking out the old card, and putting in the new card.

Dell has instructions for upgrading and replacing parts on the web (support.dell.com)

 

It's not that hard. Dell has a step by step guide on how to do it right here ( http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins9400/en/sm/video.htm#wp1006368).

 

yeah that's what i meant.....good...i think i will take advantage of the low price and order soon...after all the discounts it will be about $600 cheaper as when i config'd with 7800.....i'm going to the kiosk tomorrow to look at it and then i'll come home to order it...like to talk to peeps myself

 

now i know i sound like a dullard, but i would need to contact dell about upgrading?

 

well i think that depends.

If something happens with your current card, then dell will send out a new card. Yet if you upgrade to a new video card, you aren't voiding your warranty, it is just that your card isn't covered. So you are assuming responsibility for your video card if it should cause problems within the laptop.

 

so if the video card goes bad and damages someting else...they wont cover the card but would cover the subsequent damage?

 

I can't comment, but don't get too bent out of shape on the video card options.

 

This is how it works.

If you do not make any upgrades, all of your damages that were caused because of the laptop and not user error are covered. So if your video card fails, dell will fix it.

If you do upgrades, then the parts that are upgraded are not covered and any damages occured because of that part are not covered. If you upgrade the 7800 and for whatever reason it fails, you'll have to pay for a replacement.

If you overclock your card, and the card gets damaged because of it, whether it is the orginial card or an upgrade card- your warranty is voided (cause Overclocking is against the policy) and you are responsible for damages.

Does that help?

 

so Brian would you get the e1705 as presently configured?

thanks SG.....day in and out you give the best info!!

 

i think brian meant that dell is probably just on a shortage right now, and will start offering the Nvidia card soon again. They are probably going to do like what they did with the 9300 - offer an integrated card, 1 medium dedicated card, then the better dedicated card.

If i remember right, when the 9300 came out last year, this problem happened - there was a shortage of nVidia cards.

 

do u remember how long it was b4 they offered it again?

 

Why not scoop an e1705 from the outlet? I got a great deal on one this morning... Similarly configured new would have been a little bit more(even with the coupon), and now I don't have to wait a month on the Go 7800.

Ordered it today, shipped today. Cheers!

EDIT: And for +$68.00 I upgraded to 2yr onsite service. =)

 

I'm surprised that they even have the E1705 in the outlet section.

Congrats on getting it.

 

Outlet section? Can someone direct me to this?

 

Thanks!

They have actually been at the Outlet for about a month. Normally, they arent the "best" deal, but I caught one minutes after they added it. I actually think it might have been a pricing mistake because similar configs of the e1705 on the site were going for about $300 more.

What do you think?

T2400
1 GB RAM at 667mhz
Ultra Sharp Upgrade
nVidia Go 7800
80g HD at 5400rpm
Windows MCE
Wireless Minicard
Internal Bluetooth
2 year warranty with 24/7 tech support and 3rd party onsite service
2nd day shipping


Total after tax and shipping: ~$1600

 

Try this: http://www1.us.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh

 

This is terribly unfortunate for me.

I've been trying for an hour and the view inventory option for the 1705 always times out. This whole issue wouldn't be such a big deal if I were buying my own laptop, but I'm not. It's being purchased by my work. As a result, I don't make the transaction, my supervisor has to. He was out of town last week when I had the perfect system, with the 7800, set up. He's back today, and the system is gone. So... I can look for one on the outlet site.... but the inventory will not load. So... perhaps I can try again tomorrow when i get to work, but wait... he's going out of town again.

Sorry for ranting, but this is driving me nuts. I doubt they will let me just wait until the 7800 returns. I need to laptop for work purposes almost immediately.

 

That happens from time to time, try again later. =)

 

It looks as if i got my E1705 just in the knick of time. I wish everyone who is having these problems the best of luck, and if you get the link to work try emailing it to your supervisor. Or does he have to physically watch you submitt?

 

I looked in the outlet section and it comes out to over $2000 for anything with the 7800 card.

Here's another question, can you get it with the integrated graphics, go out and buy a 7800 and install it? Or is the board different?

 

You have to spend sometime and look. You can't expect to find a good deal at your first look at the dell outlet. Prices change so frequently you really have to keep your eyes open... find a deal, and jump on it!

As for buying it with integrated graphics... It's possible to do the upgrade, but hard. You'd need to purcahse the 7800 off ebay or somewhere else. There was a guy selling them on this forum on the buy/sell/trade thread.

 

Just to give all you E1705 buyers a heads up.. I was browsing dell outlet and saw a E1705 with the following specs:

1GB 667mhz
Duo 1.83
DVD Burner
Go 7800
60GB HD

For $1209. Quite a deal... They also have higher end ones with 2ghz duo, 2gbs RAM, 100GB HD, 7800, DVD burner, WUXGA for $1800.

 

I'm relieved to say that I just got one with a carrying case for $1660.

P Core Duo - 2.0ghz
1gig ddr2 ram
256mb Geforce 7800

It doesn't have a writable dvd drive, and the hardrive is slower than the 7200 I would have chosen, but I can't complain. I'm happy to finally have made the purchase.

 

In a previous thread I speculated that maybe the E1705 will not get the 7800 back. I'm really starting to think that's the way it's going to be. Apparently production has already stopped for the desktop 7800, and I wouldn't be surprized if it was the same for the 7800 go.

In this thread ChazMan421 said the nvidia 7900 go was on its way, and was supposed to have been announced already. In the same thread Brian said "There has been a delay of unknown length" (referring to the nvidia 7900 go). ChazMan thinks it will be another 1-2 months before its officially announced.

The E1705 may only have the x1400 untill the nvidia 7900 go comes out. What really makes me think thats going to be the case, is a recent thread by moozyne9 here. He claims he ordered the 7800 go while it was still being listed, but dell will only be able to offer the x1400. Moozyne9 said Dell explained to him that "they're not going to get this card anymore" (referring to the nvidia 7800 go).

Although this is what I strongly belive at this point, I really hope I'm wrong. A lot of people will be disapointed if they end up having to wait 2 or more months for a good GPU to become available.

 

Dell will lose quite a few sales and customers. I know the 7800 was a big plus for people. It is no longer available on the Inspiron 9400 neither.

 

Well, after somewhat impulsively purchasing an E1705 a few days ago, I just cancelled my order. I read really good reviews about the E1705, but all the reviews were done on systems with the 7800. I just figured, stupidly, that the ATI card would be comparable...but after doing more research it sounds like they are not anywhere close. So, I guess I'll hold off on making a purchase, and hopefully the E1705's will be offered with the 7800s again...any news on if this will ever happen?

 

Just curious, anyone know how expensive the 7800 option was when it was available? The x1400 was +$179. How much more was the 7800?

The system I put together was pretty pimp too, and with $750 off coupon it came to $1385. Sucks that I have to wait around now, but it sounds like the 7800 is really worth the wait....

 

I ordered my 9400 on the 8th of March, with an estimated delivery date of the 22nd. Of course, it was still in production (and had been for 12 days by the 22nd, so I gave them an e-mail asking what the story was. The reply was (edited to remove "customer service" junk):

No mention there of "you won't get one", and I haven't received any more mail since saying that, so I'm still optimistic

 

It was requested that I open this thread back up, so I've reopen it. I believe Fredrick wanted this to be more about the possibility of the 7900 card being offered for the E1705/9400 series, and not the 7800 shortage.

For the 7800 shortage, please see this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=44181

Thanks,
SG

 

It was a $250 upgrade from the GMA 950 to the 7800 Go. I think there is little to no hope of the 7800 returning - it's probably going to be replaced by the 7900 Go, which should be slightly faster than the 7800.

 

Any estimates on how long until the 7900 is out? And we can't really be sure it will ever be offered from dell with the E1705, can we?

 

Hey, I'm wondering if you can help me out. I was all set to purchase the E1705, after doing a bunch of research. I even placed my order with dell. But after doing a bit more research, I discovered that the x1400 is not in the same class as the 7800. I'm planning to hold off on buying an E1705 until they are offering a good video card with it, or maybe until I can find a good one at the Dell outlet. Is there some other comparable system that I should consider? Something with similar specs and price range? Here is a brief list of the specs and price of the E1705 that I was going to order:

T2400 (1.83 Ghz)
17" UXGA
1 gig ram (667mhz)
100 gig 5400 rpm
ati x1400

price came to $1495 with tax included.

Can I get anything with as much power, and a bit more money because of a beefier graphics card? Maybe I should just wait it out until Dell offers the E1705 with some nvidia card, and has some good coupons out? ****, why couldn't they just continue to offer the 7800!!!

Thanks for your help.

 

ok so the delay order thread was moved here -

i spoke with the modification department - apparently they are the ones that modify an order after the initial order .. so if you change your mind and want to add /change something it goes here before it ships - and they said taht they DO have the 7800 in stock and there is no back order. i explicitly asked if it was in backorder but he said they had some right there - mind you he sounded very surly so i dont know if he was being honest or not.

so now i am realyl confused - i called the customer rep several times and they really do not know what is going on - i dont mind if my order is delayed a week or so but it's the fact that they dont even havea ship date anymore for my order since it was suppose to be shipped 2 days ago...

sigh ..so frustrated..but dont really want t6o cancel my order since it has the 7800...

 

well do you think instead of the 7900 it will be something like 7800 in SLI? because apparently that is the new big video push -

sager is coming out and i know that alienware has them too i believe - btu maybe it will be for the xps systems instead?

 

I think Dell will put the newest cards in SLI as an option on the XPS line. I think the "entertainment" notebooks like the E1705/9400 will let either SLI lower grade cards, or 1 of the top of the line cards.

That is just my opinion though.

I wouldn't doubt since Dell is buying Alienware that they will leave the really expensive systems to them.

 

The SLI im sure uses a ton of power. A single 7800 is an energy hog. They would have to make the 9 cell battery standard and also change the PSU... Even with a 9 cell I cant see it having any more then 1.5-2 hours of battery life. Not to mention all this would be very expensive and put off a lot of heat.

A single 7900 would be very nice. If it is similar to the desktop versions, it should have a pretty good performance boost from the 7800. Also the desktop 7900 uses less energy then the 7800... Obviously it would be great if the Go build also uses less power then before.

 

If they put it in a Dell it will be severly underclocked, like all of their GPU's. I think that Alienware will do it, I don't think Dell will for a while. I can't wait to see the to new processors and generation of cards that come out for laptops.

 

Do the XPS notebooks (high end) have underclocked GPUs?

It's reasonable that they would do it to the 9300 / E1705 notebooks, but I would be angry if my $2,000 gaming notebook was underclocked.

 

I don't know about the XPS line, but I know a Dell vs Sager with same processor and stuff the Sager will outscore the Dell. So I am guessing it is underclocked to some degree.

 

I just spoke to a dell rep yesterday and they have told me the 7800gtx pcix is compaitble with the 1705. if you can pony up the dough, its 599 for the card.