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    Graininess finally answered (by posters)

    Discussion in 'Dell' started by phomanny, Aug 2, 2007.

  1. phomanny

    phomanny Notebook Consultant

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    I've never really been completely satisfied by the definitions and examples of graininess that I've seen in numerous threads on the forum. So, I'd like to be very straight forward and ask what exactly graininess is.

    I'm on a Lenovo 3000 C100 right now and the monitor is made by AUO. This is the first notebook I have had so I can't really tell whether mine has problems such as light leakage and graininess. I suppose mine is pretty bad compared to others(?), since it's not XGA/SXGA/XGA+/SXGA+/etc., but my monitor seems fine to me.

    Anyway, for graininess, do you have to know what it is/how it looks like/etc. BEFOREHAND in order to spot it out, and have it bug you so much that you have to return the notebook...OR...Does graininess kind of just jump out at you and you'll just know that it is grainy when you finally see it IRL?

    Thanks
     
  2. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

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    The best way I can describe it is, it looks like the screen has some lint or dust on it. In other words it doesn't look crystal clear. I have a Inspiron 5100 14.1" matte finish, Inspiron 1501 (1280x800 Glossy Finish), Vostro 1500 (1280x800 Glossy Finish) and a T60 15.4" (WSXGA+). All four laptop screens look amazing.

    The only screen that has a grainy look is my 4 year old Viewsonic VX-700.
     
  3. mxxl

    mxxl Notebook Geek

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    This is my first notebook, and I'm coming for a desktop that had a CRT. I noticed the graininess right away. It makes anything white look sparkly and dirty, kind of like sand behind your screen that never goes away.
     
  4. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

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    That's another good description. All four of my laptops do not suffer from that phenomenon. The high res T60 screen is stunning but the Vostro 1500 and Inspiron 1501 screens look crystal clear.

    Maybe someone is blessing my laptop orders with Holy Water before they go into production. :)
     
  5. phomanny

    phomanny Notebook Consultant

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    [​IMG]

    Is that a good example of graininess?

    Although I have to tilt my laptop monitor a great amount and view the image from an angle, I can definitely see a difference between the two.
     
  6. tooz

    tooz Notebook Guru

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    It's more like the screen is wet, then someone tries to wipe it clean but doesn't do so successfully.
     
  7. Andy1210

    Andy1210 Notebook Consultant

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    I'm sorry, but this is one of the main drivers as to why Dell has such high turnover in the call centers- Dealing with bored people who have nothing else to do but stare closely at their screen trying desperately to discern whether they're afflicted by the dreaded 'grainyness curse'.

    Don't get me wrong, there is a legitimate quality control issue with some displays and those who got shafted are rightfully disappointed and their lappies should be fixed asap.

    But you know this has reached hysteria proportions when people drone on saying inane things like: "I can't really tell whether mine has problems such as light leakage and graininess, but I suppose mine is pretty bad compared to others"

    WTF does that mean?? If you don't notice an issue with the display, ie it's clear with nice contrast and is naturally pleasing, then YOUR FINE!

    I, like many others have had my share of countless hrs spent with clueless Dell Reps who either don't speak English or have no idea of the technical aspects of the products they support. But, I still can't help but feel sorry for some of them having to deal with idiot mal-content customers constantly calling every half day for a status check on their orders, not accepting the fact there's a glass shortage (which is widely accepted as true and simply out of the span of control of Dell) and who spend their lives bilking the Reps out of free concessions until in the end, they cancel their orders anyway- either out of boredom or some kind of 'I am used to having EVERYTHING I want NOW' attention deficit disorder.

    Come on guys, if you have a legitimate problem / issue, let's certainly discuss, but assuming you have an issue you can't even DETECT is just plain pathetic!
     
  8. Lirette

    Lirette Notebook Guru

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    Amen brother
     
  9. chuck232

    chuck232 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    That's a decent comparison of a grainy versus non-grainy screen, although I think for the most part, that example's a little exaggerated. At least the 'graininess' on my Z71V wasn't that bad - it's more sparkle than grainy anyways. :p
     
  10. ATR90

    ATR90 Notebook Evangelist

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    Don't forget; if you're looking at that image on a grainy screen... :D
     
  11. Andy1210

    Andy1210 Notebook Consultant

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    Don't forget; you're looking at that image on a SIMULATED (ie FAKE) phototshop version of a grainy screen...
     
  12. Player13

    Player13 Notebook Geek

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    Has anyone ever considered creating a thread asking people to post the make of their LCD screen and saying whether they find it grainy or not?

    From what I understand Dell uses different LCD makes in different laptops. Is it possible the grainy issue is isolated to a certain make?
     
  13. jb1007

    jb1007 Full Customization

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    I received my Dell Vostro yesterday after returning my Inspiron 1520. The difference in LCD's is night and day. After seeing how bad and how good these displays can be, I would not even consider keeping one with a graininess issue
     
  14. paulmadejong

    paulmadejong Notebook Enthusiast

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    Which screen did you have in your Inspiron and do you have in your Vostro now?
     
  15. jb1007

    jb1007 Full Customization

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    Both were 15.4" WSXGA+ displays. I didn't know how to check the manufacturer when I had the Inspiron, but the Vostros monitor ID is LFLP300
     
  16. phomanny

    phomanny Notebook Consultant

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    Hello friend, you've got me wrong. I'm say now on my Lenovo that I cannot notice any light leakage/graininess because either: a) There is none on my screen or b) There is light leakage and graininess but I can't tell that there is. However, I am asking this question because I am considering a Dell Inspiron for my next notebook, and with this huge graininess situation, I want to know as much about the laptop that I am going to purchase so that I can be as satisfied as possible.

    Looking at the replies that I've seen, it seems that it's pretty obvious when you have graininess or you don't, so this thread has helped me a lot. Don't get too angry on the internet dog. I hope you don't play games or people who intend to get you mad will do it so easily on someone like you. PEACE~!
     
  17. Andy1210

    Andy1210 Notebook Consultant

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    sry, it's you that's doin a misread my friend... my motto is Hakuna Matata- lol

    What cracks me up is when other people seem bent on being 'mad' as you say, with this weird predisposition / obsession that there must be something wrong with their display cuz they read that some people had that experience on a forum thread- despite of the fact there's no reliable way of determining how prevalent of an issue it is being that there's a statistical likelihood that those without the dreaded grainy disease ridden laptops would post replies.

    If I read your note wrong, then fine, but what I read was essentially, I have a display that looks fine but I assume because others have had a grainy display, mine must suck too.

    So again, contrary to your point, I actually strongly believe people should RELAX and be HAPPY that they DO have a sparkling, gorgeous display instead of just redoubling their efforts to find something that's not there- too funny...

    And again, far from being 'mad', I find it nothing short of hilarious when those who haven't been able to 'see' the grainy effect (or those who haven't even recd their lappy yet!), obsess over a jpeg of a simulated image which was openly admitted to as being artificially created by the guy who posted it on the apple site. What does that prove- that you can detect the graininess that doesn't really exist on a photoshopped screenshot fake?? Hysterical!

    It's when you take a legitimate issue like screen quality issues (which some people have definitely experienced) and then have people who can't even detect it on their own displays insisting it's probably there but they can't see it- that's the definition of hysteria... my friend.

    (Understood if that's not what you meant, but if that's the case you may want to work on making your messages a bit easier for others to comprehend)