How much "better" is penryn?

Hi, I've just ordered a 1530 (with the T7500), and I've heard that the penryn is just around the corner for the 1530. Is the penryn much better than the current ones? Is it worth cancel the order and wait a few more weeks? or isn't there any BIG performance loss with the T7500 compared to the new penryn? I know there's 2 MB more cache but =/

 

depends on how you use your laptop. If you're not a power user doing cpu intensive work, I don't think you'll need the added power of penryn. Also, the battery life improvement is not that significant from what I've heard

 

Hmm, It's just annoying if I'll see the same laptop as mine for the same price the day I get it with "so much" better processor :..

 

If I were you, I would cancel the order and wait. It depends on how urgent you need this laptop too. Penryn will become cheap soon and new processors will come out. Just match your needs with what you're getting. I definitely don't need the added performance of penryn as of right now, but I probably will get it by the end of the year when I buy a new laptop with the processor is cheaper and more tested.

 

Well I'm not going to wait until late 2008 like you seems to be, more like a few more weeks tops.

 

Right now Penryn won't be much of an upgraed slight performance increas and a little better battery life.

Unless you can wait untill june/july penryn won't be much of an upgrade.

 

sorry, I didn't mean for you to wait that long. I was just going on about my plans. Penryn should be available for the 1530 in a few weeks. You should reorder then

 

Joee, Why wont penryn be a good upgrade until june?

 

by june, penryn should be significantly cheaper. Then the performace will really outweigh the price. Right now, it's even. Actually, I think it's over-priced

 

Oh, so the penryn will not come with the 1530 as standard at the same price as the t7500 ? it will cost more?

 

I was going to contribute to this thread as well as i am looking to purchase a laptop asap. Ive been waiting for a deal to pull the trigger. dell has the m1330 and the 17" with the penryn now so its a matter of days probably before the 1530 gets it. My question is it seems if you compare the prices from the 1330 to the 1530 for the setup i have to the T9300 is about $125. Do you guys think it warrants that price gap for the performance? im not sure if they have benchmarks on it or not. I suppose im in the same dilemma as paetrick.

here is a link to the setup im thinking of ordering on another thread in this forum. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3009807&postcount=73

 

Right now it is still using the 800mhz FSB and is limited by the Santa Rosa platform. Around Junu-July the new intel platform Montevina will come out the FSB will be increased to 1066Mhz the power consumption will drop and the temps should go down.

But for now all those upgrades will be drastically reduced. Yes Penryn is more energy efficient and a little faster but the diffrence is almost nothing. Just about the only performance increase you will find is in the 2.5 and 2.6Ghz versions of Penryn seeing as the cache is larger 6MB compared to the current 4MB.

 

If its anything like the M1330 they will have both options with the penryn costing more. here is a breakdown of the chips in the M1330

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2MB Cache/2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB) [Included in Price]

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8300 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache) [add $75 or $3/month1]

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9300 (2.5GHz/800Mhz FSB/6MB cache) [add $200 or $6/month1]

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9500 (2.6GHz/800Mhz FSB/6MB cache) [add $475 or $15/month1]

And here is the options for the M1530

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2MB cache/2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB) [Included in Price]
Required for Blu-ray drive

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7500 (2.2GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache) [add $75 or $3/month1]
Required for Blu-ray drive

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7700 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache) [add $200 or $6/month1]
Required for Blu-ray drive

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7800 (2.6GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache) [add $475 or $15/month1]

 

I don't think Penryn is worth it right now. Maybe in a few months with some price cuts, but until then, not worth it. If you're not going to use the extra power of a Penryn processor, why wait for it? The T7500 is plenty powerful.

 

Okay, thanks for the answers guys, I'll stick with my current order with the T7500

 

I agree with Crash right now it's not worth it

 

----- double post, sry

 

just get a T7500 if you need the laptop in a few weeks

 

Generally speaking, it won't be that earthshaking at first. Give it a few months for the price to drop; unless you don't mind paying the premium, the "bleeding edge" does not give much better value for the dollar. Plus, it's like Joee said - the Montevina platform is due out in a few months, and the gains will not be that great until then.

 

well if you look at it. the cpu's in the 1330 already reflect price changes. 2.0 to 2.4 is only 75 that same change for the 1530 is $200.

so basically they already have the penryns competitive with the older santa rosa chips in the m1330. they however are raping the people who want the 1530.

I just hate being on the fence to order with the current deal they have now or to wait for the penryn then wait for another good deal to buy.

 

And if you wait till september, october , 2009.. something bigger better is always around the corner. Just pick out your lappy and go for it!!!

 

Damn straate, new technology comes out every day, u cant just say "i'll wait for the new cpu's to come out, then i'll be happy" not true cuz 2 days after those are released they'll release a newer better one!

Just buy the damn thing!!!

 

@ BigBoy92

True ^^

 

I normally agree but its tough in this situation with it being out in every other laptop except this particular model and knowing my luck the day i order it will be avail the next day.

 

Maybe. But, it will be more expensive than what you will have ordered for a small increase in performance. Most people don't even have a use for all of the T7500s power. The Penryn chips aren't going to really matter to most people until they are just as affordable as the T7xxx series right now.

 

to be honest...i duno what significance penryns actually have besides the fact that they sink out a bit of heat and increase unnoticeable speed

 

New technology. Proof that better things are coming. They have lots of significance, just not very much usefulness right now

 

so do u think the new motevina platforms will make these chips run at a faster speed?

 

the motevina will definatly be a step up. higher fsb alone will make a big diff.

crash so you think the T7500 (2.2ghz 4meg cache) will run pretty damn close to the T9300 (2.5ghz 6meg cache)?

I mean i really cant decide if i should just buy now or wait for them to be released and see what deals they have. comparing the M1330 and M1530 the chips seem a bit cheaper on the M1330 since the penryns became available. this has me bonkers i dont know what to do and i have to decide by tomorrow night or i miss the deal, and have to wait for another deal and/or penryn.

 

It's a good upgrade.

I seriously considered ordering an M1330 or an M1530 and after alot of research I opted to get a Lenovo T61p 15" with a Penryn T9300 and the FX 570m 256mb DDR3 Open GL video card.

IMO Dell is cutting their potential customers short by not offering the "latest and greatest" processors. The technology is here. I called Dell a few times about the Penryn T9300. Dell does offer the T9300 for the M1330. However it's a $300 upgrade!!

It's a good upgrade, good enough for a Dell owner like myself to look at other computer brands. (have bought about 4 Dell Notebooks over the last few years).

The last time I called the Dell sales reps looking for Penryn options I asked the sales rep why Dell isn't offering more Penyrn processors and I was told that it's part of Dell's marketing plan.


Dell is also offering Penryn Options for the 1420 now.

The 1525 would be awesome if they offered it with Penryn options and discrete video options.

 

The T9300 will definitely run faster, but the question is, will you make use of the extra power? Unless you're doing HD encoding all day long, I doubt that in everyday use you'll notice a difference between the two.

 

It's the battery consumption that is the sole benefit of waiting for Penryn from my point of view; it's ability to produce less heat will also slow the cooling system, subsequently also giving me those few extra minutes on the road. Which I would personally value more than any speed increases at present.

However, having read the Wikipedia roadmap on the Intel platform, there appears no clear landmark significance to the Penryn chips on current motherboards in any area.

 

yeah i havent found anything either way myself. ive heard people say 10% longer battery and 10% performance boost. BUt i havent seen those #'s in any benchmarks.

 

Strange thing is until the penryn is released the power user were using the ones we have now...

There is always gonna be a faster/better cpu around the corner. Me? I'm going to wait a few months until the prices comes down, (ridiculous pricing) then I'll get one and put it in.

This is also why I sell my notebook and buy a new one once a year before mine becomes "obsolete" and not worth much. I upgrade every 6 months when I buy a new notebook.

 

you void your warrenty if you replace the chip though. and if you try to sell it people will be hesistant without warrenty. it seems nobody wants to buy a used laptop without warrenty.

But in a few months the montvilla or whatever will be coming out and thats the next big thing for the laptops. YOu might as well just wait and buy one of those . its always a waiting game. I think i might just wait for the penryn just because its no more then a few weeks not months.

 

That IS when I usually sell mine when the warranty runs out... (on paper). I haven't had any problems selling my notebooks in the local craiglist. In fact, I just sold my HP dv6000 two weeks ago and with some of that money, ordered my new XPS.

 

Well got my system today with the Penryn 9500 and I'm going to
upgrade from 2 to 4 ram...
But I don't notice that much difference in speed... but then I don't do
all the power stuff alot of you do.
I just like things fast.

However I'm getting vibrations from the hardrive which I don't like
but it is a machine.

 

Been researching this question myself lately. For those of you who want to see some numbers, check out this well-written comparison of Penryn vs non-penryn on the same santa rosa platform.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3195

 

did u get the M1330

 

Look here for the difference between the T7500, T7800 and T9300.

 

i saw a thing on anadatech where the battery life was actually 55minutes longer. That kinda makes it worth it .

And from what they said at no extra cost to the end user they are just phasing out the older santa rosa chips with the penryn santa rosa chips.

 

Yes the xps 1330

 

damn dell just released the penryn chips in the 14" and 17" models of the inspiron. No love for the 1525 or the M1530.

My guess is dell is doing it on purpose as the 15.4" is the biggest consumer model they are just holding out for whatever reason. Probably losing more sales to other companies by doing it.

 

i would expect that dell looked at the MASSIVE amount of returned m1530s over the past 2 months and are waiting for all the 21 day return windows to expire on the majority of the orders placed recently. That way when it comes out it will be too late for most people to return and reorder

you can always go to newegg and just buy the processor and drop it in. Once the 07 bios gets posted you can just drop the processor in

 

Exactly what I plan to do in 2-3 months.

 

yeah but if i just replace the CPU then i would have wasted the money on the T7500 that will just collect dust.

 

That is what eBay is for!
There will be someone who has a T5500 or similar that will want it...

 

Yeah i guess but you will most likely lose a hunk of cash for selling an outdated chip on ebay .

 

Better than "collecting dust" as you said...

 

true. i guess some money is better then no money.

how much did u end up getting yer 1530 for? i priced the same one u have but with the higher res lcd.