Merom = Yonah death

So, rumor mill has it that while Merom isnt slated to release until Q4 of this year, Dell is making a push to move its Yonah CPU line. Not that it matters, because I really appriciate my 1705, but it kinda pisses me off that my 1 month old notebook is now, yesterdays news.

These guys are really starting to get on my nerves, ever other day they are releasing new processors and nobody can keep up.

someone get me and advil

 

C'est la vie.

 

Well, calm down first. Core Duo was supposed to be an insight of the Intel Core Project. Merom, Cursoe, and Woodcrest are going to be Intel's main chips, and then in the next 18-24 months, quad cores are coming out. It's the same way with graphics cards too. That is how technology is... simple and plain. Cursoe, I think, is supposed to be released in Q2.

 

Bah, i say bring me back the good ol days with slot cpus you could chuck at someone, the slap it back in your machine and play quake 2

 

It is said that merom and yonah will be pin compatible, meaning that you would be able to swap your processor with a merom and do a bios flash when merom comes out.

 

but that is if dell releases a bios. More likely they won't because they want you to buy a new computer. Same way with the i9300 6800ultra/7800gtx deal. The card works but no official dell bios for it.

 

Not just pin compatible. I read an article where they used.. .. wait for it... a dell laptop running yonah, and swapped out with merom to show the performance increase (20% or so, not really earth shattering) supposidly, they are completely compatible.

 

This isn't about that there is something wrong or inferior with your E1705. Today, tomorrow, a year from now it will still perform as it does today. You purchased the E1705 to solve todays computing problems. If those problems don't change then there is no reason that the 1705 won't continue to perform for years.

What this is about is the latest and greatest and jfinnican's belief that if he/she doesn't have the latest and greatest that he/she is somehow unworthy, less significant, less ___. All I can say is get over it or you're destined for a spending death spiral.

Hermit

 

dammit, those are big words

 

I totally agree - there's always going to be something "new" and "better" comming around the corner. I believe the P-M was the last major sucessful notebook CPU that lasted for more than a two years without being replaced. From now on, I predict that notebook CPUs will be replaced every 1-2 years, so I wouldn't gripe too much about it.

 

Yeah, 65 nanometer technology is new but we will get it smaller, so that means new stuff down the road.

 

Yeah - Intel is now trying to push 45nm technology, even though it transitioned over to 65nm just a few months back with Yonah. A smaller, 45nm chip would give benefits such as better battery life/power consumption to a user.

 

Im an enthusiast, have been since 95. There is no support group, no medication, no 12 step to help me. I am what I am.

Its not a feeling of being, less significant, or unworthy. I cant really see how you would determine that but I will just go along with it.

I agree, with the technology as it is today, all you can do is jump in. There is no right or wrong time to buy a computer. There will always be faster, bigger, better. HOWEVER....

When you make an investment, and lets take this out of the realm of computers and put it into cars, you have a percieved value of what it is you are buying vs what is available or what is going to be available in the near future.

If you buy a car, that gets 60mpg (I would love that btw) because of its efficency, and two months later for the same price, they release the same car, with a better hybrid engine, that gets 80mpg... you will fee as if you where robbed. Especially, if the vehicle you just purchased at 60mpg is considered new technology.

I expect to wake up one morning and my laptop be on a platform 2-3 generations old, I just didnt expect it to happen within 4 months of being released, and even worse, weeks within purchase. My grievance is legitimate. Intels roadmap has merom slated for earliest 4Q 2006, which means by rollout and build, you are talking 2007 before they where "supposed" to hit the shelves in boxes. By the time your done fighting for your spot the in the dell que, add another couple of weeks there you are at the end of the 1stQ of 2007. Now Rewind.

I love the machine, Im extremely happy with the performance, and I was hoping to get some longevitiy out of it. Yonahs top clock is 2.3ghz, but you are going to be hard pressed to see Intel release anything higher than the 2.1 on this core.

Merom will reach higher clock speeds which in turn, will provide a more sufficent "shelf life" for the architecture, much like the lifespan of Pentium M.

James

James

 

The whole thing is...unless you are "well-off" and can buy a new laptop every 6-9 months you will never keep up. Samething with desktops. If you can get a computer now that you are happy with and most likely will get you through until your next one, I don't really care.

It does get kind of upsetting. Because I bought a I9300 in December and in January it is gone from production, oh well.

 

While it is true that no one can get around advancing components (except for those rich and stupid enough to buy every one that comes along), there's no need to take a superior tone towards someone who happens to be bothered by it.

The important thing to keep in mind is that your computer will do everything you need it to do and will continue to be compatible with whatever software advances arise in the next few years.

 

Yea, Hermits post was a little harsh to say the least. But, what can you do?

 

boy, this thread is rather philosophical.
I do wonder actually how much longer Moore's law will hold: until we reach the bottom limit of litography. I wonder if there will be a quiet timegap before biochips become competitive (if this will happen at all)

 

Well, if its going to happen, then it has already happened. Given you believe there is such thing as a timegap.

Acutally, a time axis does not exist. What we see is an abstract perameter derived from change. If you are using a clock, you may think that you are measuring something physical called "time", but what you are doing is detecting change. Some prefer to call "time", "change" and that is fine.

I figured we could move the topic from phiosophical to physics.

: )

 

what I foresee in physics, is that Si chips are soon to reach their limit. as biochips, in my opinion, are yet too far away, GaAs, or even InP chips (III-Vs are excellent for high frequency applications) might be made commercial for heavy applications, but due to their high price, I doubt they'd reach common consumers unless there will be a major breakthrough with polycrystalline material performance (which I personally give higher probability than biochips)

 

I'm going to respectfully dodge the philosophy discussion and mention that this tread has helped me decide (ONCE AND FOR ALL) to just go with the Asus W3J since there's always going to be better.

...and to HMLintz: great point man.

 

it seems that I will have to take the matter in my own hands and build my own cpu

 

I think VLIW will replace x86.

Yonah and turion cores are already pretty small, but VLIW cores without the out of order execution or the large and complex x86 decoders leave a very small, very low power core. They are also very cheap to build.