Michael Dell Thanks Steve Jobs For Making Dell M1330 Number One!!

It wasn't so long ago that Steve Jobs humourously responded to Michael Dell's comments which can be found here!!

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For those who aren't familiar with the exchange, the article is as such...

On October 6, 1997, in response to the question of what he'd do if he was in charge of Apple Computer, Dell founder and then CEO Michael Dell stood before a crowd of several thousand IT executives and answered flippantly, "What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."

A little more than a month later, on November 10, 1997, new Apple iCEO Steve Jobs responded, speaking in front of an image of Michael Dell's bulls-eye covered face, "We're coming after you, you're in our sights."

Recently it seems, Ole Mikey owes Steve a big thank you for helping Dell to again reach #1 in the marketplace as a result of Apple blunders such as the MacBook Air. That would be the new ultra-light that you would have to send back to get a new battery, much the same as the Ipod and, yes, the one with no optical drive.

As a matter of fact, its becoming plainly obvious that the top kid on the block is the XPS M1330 which, it seems even through its apparent build quality issues, doesnt seem to have any competition as of late.

A quick look at the internet will find any number of "Pro M1330 Anti Air" articles posted by such sources as ZDNet, Gizmodo, Yahoo and many others.

In any case... I am going to follow through and send a personal thank you to Steve myself for the wonderful blunder he created which resulted in my enjoyment of this M1330 that much more. It's rather nice reading this newly found support for the M1330.

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hehe yeah

while the macbook air does seem "nice" and "slim", the non-DIY replaceable battery seems rather stupid unless they guarantee AMAZINGly long battery times and life, which is usually not the case when it comes to batteries

 

Funny stuff. We win when there is competition this strong! Thanks Michael and Steve!

 

The thing with Apple/Macs is that they aren't intended for people who go onto forums like this. I mean, remember the original iMac? It sucked. You couldn't customize it, it had like one CD slot or something, no ports. But it came in different colors! And guess what? Turns out there are a lot of non-technical people who only care about colors. Not a ton, but enough. Apple caters to people who love their asthetics and don't look any closer. I've been complaining about the iPod for years now, specifically about what a stupid move it is to force you to replace your iPod when you want to replace your battery. Great business move, since it nets Apple like 1/3 the price of a new iPod every 2-3 years. And notice nobody gives a crap? They just ooh and ahh over the way the iPod is so thin and sexy looking. Also, they ignore the fact that they're paying twice as much per Gb as with other devices. It's so kewl!

So while you are right in every way about your opinion of the Air and I agree with you in every way about Apple and the Air, it's not going to matter. Apple markets based on style, not substance. That's why granola-eating tree-huggers love Apple.

 

To compare Dell to Apple would be akin to comparing a ,"Cheby" to a Lexus. Everyone aspires and dreams of what they would love to become whether it is a super hero, world leader, movie star,etc.... very few every make the grade.

For Dell to even make a comment about Apple perhaps he should look in the mirror at his own dead beat piss poor operation such as Dell Financial Services which is under several criminal probes and government investigations, Dell customer support which is incredibly inconsistent, and Dell quality which is also extremely second rate which is why their computers are considered by most to be 3rd world computers.

Yeah yeah sure a few that just picked up their shiny new M series Dell and are proud that they applied every coupon imaginable and called multiple times to get more discounts applied would disagree but then people still buy Fords these days and are still defensive about their purchase when questioned about the uneven gaps in the body pody panels and flip over SUVs.

Dell serves a purpose and it is to market to the low end of the computer field which is a market that Apple cares nothing of as they are interested in quality, reliability, and brand image.

 

And Apple is there to serve people who are scared to replace their batteries or customize things, apparently.

 

1997...that was 11 years ago. Are you sure Steve was talking about making an ultraportable during that time?

 

By the way, notice how jipjoe's post boils down to "uh, Apples have better chassis!" That didn't prove my point at all!

 

I know Sam...just thought we needed a bit of a fire to be lit in the threads is all...Its all in good fun.

PSST... Im a closet Ipod and now Touchaholic. I own 3. Steve would be proud.

 

Umm, the battery actually IS DIY-replaceable; as has already been reported elsewhere, it's just a simple philips screwdriver replacement to take the panel off and remove the battery and put in a new one. There shouldn't be a specific requirement to send it in to Apple for a battery replacement.

Can we please put an end to this particularly goofy concept then?

Either way, the MacBook Air is not really competition for the XPSM1330; it's 3 pound weight and thinness puts it in a specifically different realm...... it isn't going after what the XPSM1330 or the Sony SZ are going after.

Now whether it's a blunder, fine.... that remains to be seen. But the success or failure of the MBA will have little bearing one way or the other on the XPSM1330, which is a perfectly fine machine in its own right.

 

Which is of course silly, as all Apple laptops have easily replaceable batteries (and yes, even the MBA only requires unscrewing the bottom panel). And the original MacBook and the MacBook Pro both have very simple to replace memory, and the MacBook also has a very simple to replace hard-drive.

This hardly gibes with your seeming claim that Apple users are somehow scared to replace or customize things.

-Zadillo

 

Also, seriously, the XPSM1330 has no competition? What exactly do you call the Sony SZ series?

 

@kamhame: Your point?? That you don't like Apple products, and jipjoe does? Big deal.

 

I neither know nor care about the Air specifically. Apples have a history of being non-configurable/upgradable by end-users. Unless you count "being able to insert a floppy disk/CD" as an awesome upgrade.

Nope, my point is that his post was completely incoherent. Some claim about Dell's financial circumstances and likening them to Fords with "chassis gaps." Like I said, that doesn't prove what Apple people pay attention to at all! Oh, wait, Apples are like "super heroes" that people aspire to be.

P.S. Another undeniable fact: Apples were developed for the computer illiterate. I'll freely admit that the Apple GUI has triumphed over text-based OS's (Linux, DOS), but that doesn't change the fact that the GUI was made because people were scared to type commands.

 

MacBook: Memory and hard drive are both easily user-upgradeable.

MacBook Pro: Memory is easily user upgradeable, although current chassis design makes it difficult to access to the hard drive (most people expect this to be remedied in the chassis redesign).

MacBook Air: Hard to tell at the moment; my main point is that the basic claim that the battery can't be replaced by the user is patently false. It has already been confirmed that it can be easily replaced and only requires unscrewing the bottom panel.

The Power Mac G3/G4 tower designs and the current Power Mac G5/Mac Pro designs are incredibly simple to work inside of, with a swing-down door to get full access to all of their internals.

So there are plenty of major exceptions to your claim that Apple machines have a history of being non-upgradeable/non-configurable by end users.

-Zadillo

 

RE: The M1330/Sony SZ..

From what I see here on the site in any case, the opinion appears to be M1330:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=167410

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=193511

Did I misread the posters?

 

I believe that MacBooks (Pros or not) are not the best built computers in the world. I do not want to undermine their purpose or their quality through this post, but better quality usually means longer a longer life. I've seen how Macs look after a few years (even two) and it ain't pretty. Sure, they're made of high quality materials, but non-resistant. I've read about Apple refusing to offer warranty repairs, broken keyboards, dents, overheating issues (even present on the current generation) and many others. That's not what I would call smart. Apple should pay more interest in making their notebooks resist through time. Providing users with a 3 year non-accidental damage warranty for 350$ is not quite what some people would call quality and confidence.
And I still love MacBook Pros, even after what I said. I would take a MBP over a M1530 all day long, but for 2840EU (the price of the MBP with 2.4Ghz CPU and Apple Care), which amounts to 4165US, I could get something a lot better. Something that would have a quad core, 3HDDs, maybe even SLI. You see, my point is that all this coolness comes with a price, that, even for most people, it is really high up. So, Apple if you're listening, people don't care **** about what Steve Jobs says as long as he doesn't address to a broader audience!
PS: Unbelievable number of posts...amazing what Apple guys can do!

 

This is an incredibly dramatic oversimplification of the research done into GUI's (which, of course, was not the sole domain of Apple).

GUI's were not made solely because people were "scared to type commands".

GUI's were made because they do offer new interface options and presentation options that simple text-based interfaces could never offer nearly as well.

And "Apples" (I assume you mean Macs here, and not Apple II's) were developed for all users, not the "computer illiterate"; seriously, what does that even mean? Computer Literacy now specifically means

And also, you do realize that OS X is UNIX-based, right? That it has a Terminal and command-line that is pretty much indistinguisable from Linux, etc.?

-Zadillo

 

Yeah, but notice how your "exceptions" are just that: exceptions. And they bring those Apples to the level of ...um ...every PC ever.

Like I said, no big deal, but the fact is that Apples have always relied on looks over anything else. And they win in that department, no question. But if we're going to admit that, then let's not be coy about Apples' shortcomings, either. I talked to a bunch of academics, my profs, and they were raving about their Macbooks. Turns out the only big thing was they liked the clean looks of the GUI. That's it. It just looked prettier. You PERSONALLY can debate me on chipsets and OS's and so on, but you're not the average Apple consumer. The fact is the average Apple consumer is like a high-school girl or a housewife who is like, "ooo, so pretty!" (That's an exaggeration for effect, by the way.)

 

I see a mix of opinions, pro and con for both the M1330 and the SZ there. The SZ does offer some things that XPSM1330 doesn't (hybrid graphics being a big one, as well as a lighter system overall), while the XPSM1330 has its own set of advantages (I'd probably argue the keyboard is one of the biggest there, as I think the keyboard is one of the SZ's biggest weaknesses). The XPSM1330 also had a wider variety of configuration options than the SZ, allowing for a $1000-1200 M1330 to be a reality while the SZ doesn't have an option this cheap.

Anyway, I'm mainly addressing the claim that the XPSM1330 has no direct competition, and the SZ is clearly very close to it in a lot of ways, and I don't see how it couldn't be described as competition.

And of course, I almost forgot the Asus U3, which is clearly also direct competition for the XPSM1330 and Sony SZ.

Throwing the MacBook Air into the mix is fair to the point that I can see someone evaluating the MBA along with the SZ and the XPSM1330, because there are similarities (all 13.3" machines, etc.) but the MBA decided to go in a more dramatic direction in terms of thinness and weight......... I think the MBA is sort of a hybrid between these two different classes of machines (things like the TZ on one end, and the XPSM1330/SZ/Asus U3 on the other).

Not saying that any of these are perfect by any means, as they all have their pros and cons. But I don't really see the purpose in taking this particular attitude, especially when we haven't even seen how it will actually sell on the market.

I think it is frankly a good thing that the MBA is not just a replica of the XPSM1330 or Sony SZ or whatever. There's plenty of laptops on the market like that as it is; the MBA at least is going for something a bit different, people who want to get the light weight and thinness of something like the TZ, but want the larger screen and keyboard of a 13.3" machine.

I don't think I can say there isn't necessarily a market for that as well, and I don't see how we can already call it a "blunder".

-Zadillo

 

Actually my "exceptions" cover pretty much most of the major products in Apple's product line over the past decade or so.

Outside of that, I think you are oversimplifying the "average" Apple consumer. You are also frankly being insulting here.

The fact that you touched to your profs and all they can say is they like the clean looks of the GUI is fine, but that doesn't really mean all that much.

There are plenty of "average" Mac users out there who like any number of things about how there Macs work, and they're not all so vapid as to just say "ooh, look at the shiny colors".

If it makes you feel better to make broad generalizations about millions of computers, go ahead, but I don't think this can really be backed up.

-Zadillo

 

zadillo, dude, chill. You seem to have an adverse-reaction to the first post. Give it a rest man...

 

I'm just trying to participate in the discussion; I wouldn't describe it as an adverse reaction to the first post as much as just that I disagree with the premise and logic behind it, and am offering my own counter-opinion.

-Zadillo

 

That's a pretty damn ignorant and insulting thing to say, especially based on nothing more than your own opinion, which you obviously hold in high regard. Hard for me to imagine being so judgemental about other people simply over choice of computers.

Besides, what do you care why a Mac owner buys his machine? If you don't like Macs or Apple products, buy a Dell or whatever else yanks your chain. And FYI, most Apple/Mac owners I know, also own Windows machines.

 

Yeah, you're right. For example, I remember how experienced Apple users looked down their noses at Intel until Apple started using them.

 

I have to agree to the Intel part, but MacBooks are a great for an user to experience. They're different.

 

I don't care who buys what or for what reason. If you want to buy a computer because it comes in orange versus any other computer, fine by me. I like aesthetics, too, and that's part of what made me buy an M1530. I can't bust on the Apple GUI because that's what Vista basically is trying to emulate.

HOWEVER, my point is that people from the Apple community always try to act like Apples are superior in ways OTHER than aesthetics. How many of you grew up tinkering with Apples? Huh? When I talk to people who got into the "guts" of computers it was always with a PC. ALWAYS. There's nobody who started by opening up a Mac.

 

I'm not claiming that all Apple users are paragons of logic.

To be fair, for quite a while there, Intel was not really going in the right direction.

One thing to keep in mind is that Intel made great strides starting with the Pentium M (which coincides with Apple's realization that they should switch from PowerPC to Intel, as the mobile prospects for the PowerPC G5 and onward were pretty much non-existent). Prior to the Pentium M, those mobile Pentium IV chips Intel was pushing out were really not efficient in terms of heat/battery life/etc.

But the Pentium M, and its influence on the subsequent Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, were a major turning point for Intel.

At least personally, I can say that I wouldn't have bought a Pentium IV-based system, but Intel has done a great job since then with the Core Duo/Core 2 Duo architecture, and I am glad that Apple did make that switch, because IBM was never going to deliver an efficient mobile PowerPC G5 chip.

-Zadillo

Hrmm, I must have been imagining things when I opened up my Mac SE in order to swap the motherboard out/etc. to turn it into an SE/30 and replaced the floppy drive as well.

Really, you need to stop making assumptions about the entire Mac community based on the few people you have talked to.

And yes, it was definitely much easier to get into the guts of my PC at the time, but I'm not sure what this proves exactly. Because most Mac users weren't tinkering with their machines as much that somehow makes them inherently inferior computers?

As a general point, I will agree with you that those people who do try and act like Macs are inherently superior all-around are goofballs, but I could say just the same for people who claim the opposite.

Macs and PC's both have their strengths and weaknesses, and neither could be said to be all-around superior to the other. It is a silly argument anyway, given that it all comes down to the personal needs of the user and what they want and expect out of their computing experience.

-Zadillo

 

No, see, that's what your hang-up is. You think I'm commenting on the COMPUTERS. The computers are fine, but they're tailored for use by a certain community. I'm commenting on the USERS. And, no, the users aren't "inferior," but they're definitely "different" and with different priorities and you can get all insulted by that if you want but it won't change things. The funny thing was that the Apple community tried to become way more technical in the mid-90s, which was fine, but then it resulted in things like the Intel "whoopsie." I used to hear hour-long lectures on how Intels were crap and therefore so were the PCs that used them. Then Apple adopted and suddenly it was like, "yeah ...let's not talk about that any more." OK!

 

That is still a dramatic oversimplification though; there were merits to the PowerPC architecture over what Intel was doing back then - hell, there are still merits to it today, which can still be seen in the Xbox 360, for example. The big thing was that the PowerPC was a dead-end for mobile processors, while Intel made major improvements to THEIR OWN architecture starting with the Pentium M and leading to their current direction.

The fact that Intel made improvements doesn't mean that the PowerPC vs. Intel arguments before that didn't have any merit. And it's not as simple as saying "Oh, now that Apple's using Intel we're not going to criticize them any more.". The things that Intel was criticized for were valid issues, which Intel themselves addressed with their own change of direction. The Pentium IV was just as much of a dead-end, frankly and the criticisms of it were warranted.

There's always been plenty of variety in Mac owners, and again, I'll say it's a simplification to say that Mac users were never "technical". It just wasn't always as much of a requirement.

But just as today; certainly a Mac user doesn't need to know a lot of the technical underpinnings, doesn't ever need to open up a Terminal and use the command-line. But there are plenty that can and do.

Which is why I have a big problem with trying to make blanket statements about "Mac users" as a whole; if someone was making the same blanket statements about PC users I'd have just as much of a problem with it.

Just to note, I'm a mixed user myself, using Vista at home, and OS X at work.

-Zadillo

 

I grew up with a pencil and notebooks of the paper variety. And I rarely open up my Macs because they work and I have no need. In truth, I rarely open up my PC's either, because they work and I have no need. When I do bother, it's usually just to tinker and upgrade because I can, and not because there's a need, or that it really matters at all.

You speak using unfounded generalities. People in the Mac community do not always do anything, because people in the Mac community, such as myself, don't always only own Macs.

And if you're able to state that nobody started by opening up Macs, I have to assume you know the history of every Mac owner. Quite an accomplishment for somebody I assume is a fairly young person.

 

That stood out to me too, but I think he simply meant that, OF THE PEOPLE he's talked to, none of them tinkered with their Macs. I'm assuming that he wasn't trying to argue that that's the case with every Mac owner. But that's why I was trying to point out that you can't really make generalizations based on the small circle of people you yourself have encountered.

 

That's my point. And that's not a BAD thing since it led to the development of the GUI and the mouse (WITH TWO BUTTONS OMG!!! NOO!!!!). But I like how the Apple community is like 10% of computer users and rather than admit that it's because Jobs was a rotten businessperson, they act like "uh, we're the only ones who are gifted enough to be allowed to use Apples; we're like the Chosen ones."

Ever heard a Mac user argue about how "security flawed" Windows-based PCs are? It's hysterical. Mac users I know actually think that the Mac is impervious to hacking. You may think I'm FOS, but look at the Mac commercials with "Mr. PC." "Oh, boy, I'm so slow and full of viruses, I wish I was an Apple."

 

Sweet, I have a M1330, with my M1530 coming soon!

P.S. Did you mean October 2007?

 

Can you PLEASE stop claiming that the entire Apple community is like this?

I understand that there are Mac users out there like that, just as there are Windows users out there who say and claim stupid things. It doesn't mean the entire community is like that.

So the Mac users you know are ignorant - that's fine; I know some ignorant Windows users too; but I don't go around posting that all Windows users think that way because of it.

Also, Jobs is a rotten businessman? I think you'd have a hard time finding very many people in the world of business that would make that claim. Most of Apple's woes happened POST-Jobs (remember, he was forced out in 1985). Since he came back, he has completely revitalized the company and made it one of the most valuable tech companies in the world; and remember, OS X is based on his own company's NeXTStep OS, with only API's really for compatibility as a legacy of the original Mac OS. And that's not to mention what he's done with Pixar.

-Zadillo

 

Um, if you want to say that, then why does Apple market their computer in that fashion? You go to where your consumers are, dude. That's the rule in marketing.

 

A specific marketing campaign does not inherently reflect the entire user community (and as it is, the Mac vs PC ads are designed to be fairly humorous plays on the whole "rivalry" anyway).

It is a stretch to try and make claims about the entire community based on these ads.

Was the entire Dell community reflected by the "Dude, you're getting a Dell" ads? Or for that matter, is the entire Dell community reflected in the current Dell XPS ads? Of course not. Not by a longshot frankly.

-Zadillo

 

That's odd; you really don't sound as though you like that at all. And I've never heard a single Mac user discuss being gifted and being among the Chosen ones . . .

You've really got a problem, kamehame. Not sure what it is exactly, because I've never read a post by a Mac user discussing you at all. So far as I know, you're not on the minds or in the thoughts of any Mac user, so we - the Mac community - aren't experiencing an issue with you. Sorry we're having such an affect on you.

 

That's a perfect example of what I mean. You assume that I'm obsessed with you because I write my opinions. Your post is like "we're affecting you!! But you're insignificant to us!" LOL. Like I said, you don't prove what I say at all.

 

Just as a warning, this thread probably needs to get back on track to discussing the topic of the machines themselves.

There's really no point or purpose in the thread if it just continues to devolve into attacks on various users/communities/etc.

 

Can we address something???

We can all pretty much admit we have hit on a good thread here. Its brought a vast amount of expertise and logic to the table, some opinions stronger than others. There are lots of "I love Dell/Apple/Sony/ASUS" guys on this site who are very strong willed, myself as one believe it or not.

I left the discussion table to get something and returned and was astounded on some of the things brought up...very knowledgeable input.

Lets stay on point if we can, whether it be any specific brand compared to another, and keep the thread open. Interest has hit the thread like wildfire and I'de like to see it stay.

Zadillo... Nice to se you offer open opinions in such a topic. I am working right now so I cannot express, in detail, my opinion on the Sony SZ vs the M1330. I must concede though that my overall opinion, as to who's top dog on the hill' lies in all of the systems qualities and downfalls, to include pricing, warranty availability, configurability, laptop support, build quality and so on... While I'm here, we all must concede that Dell sure is making both the M1530 and the M1330 attractive to buyers with this pricing. The Sony cannot come near this presently and, traditionally, most other companies don't work as such.

Its a strange situation because, you would expect that companies that have so many systems already built to a certain level (Sony/Apple/HP etc) would be more apt to have sell offs than Dell who builds their systems after purchase.

This is where Dell has succeeded in gaining the marketplace once again, the number of Q4 sales was a direct result of Dells change to what the consumer wants. The M1330 was huge as well as such things as colour configured laptops. This gave Dell a foothold on advertising with their creative "Choose your colour" commercials.

Anyway...to be continued and I hope we all stay in the conversation unangered. XPS M1330 WHUAH! (lol)

 

Well, maybe not the entire community, but have you seen the current deal on the 1330??? Wow! I'm thinking I may disappoint the entire Mac community, Zadillo, because I just may order the little Dell. It's such a great deal - seriously!

 

Well stated, zadillo. And this is where it should have concluded. Agree to disagree. We all know what they say about arguing on the Internet...

 

OK, well, my opinion of the Air is that it looks thin and that's pretty much it.

 

You know what would have helped out the MacBook Air...TouchScreen...

Or touchscreen tablet... Can you imagine taking notes on something like that for class?

You could write on it like a piece of paper (as its so thin) to which it would be then put into Word (or whatever Mac uses) and saved. Go one further then and integrate an audiorecorder for lectures.

I think it would have been huge. It would have hit the student needs directly.

Maybe thats next The MacBook AirTouch!!

If he can do it so well in the Touch why not???

 

Yeah, no doubt. That $799 off deal of a loaded XPSM1330 is an especially nice deal right now.

I hope I haven't given the wrong impression in this thread; I actually personally think the XPSM1330 is a great little machine, and I think it is a great alternative to the SZ. For me personally, the biggest draw of the XPS is the keyboard (I had owned a Vaio S360 for quite a while and liked it, but sold the SZ I bought because I couldn't get used to the SZ's keyboard style).

I think that's the great thing though, everyone has their own approach to the market, and the more options there are out there, the better. Personally I wouldn't have minded at all if the "MacBook Air" had instead been something a bit closer to the XPSM1330 or SZ (sacrificing a bit of weight and thickness perhaps for some more options). But I think the MacBook Air adds an interesting dimension to the market as well in terms of the specific balance between screen size, keyboard, thickness and weight, without being quite as expensive as something like the Vaio G series.

 

It would seem to be only a matter of time; all I can guess is that they are taking a more gradual approach to this (i.e. with multi-touch gestures in the trackpad, but not the screen itself). Certainly some of the changes in OS X itself (not to mention the support added for the OS running on the Touch and the iPhone) seem to hint at it coming sometime down the road though.

-Zadillo

 

That might have made the machine too great a competitor to the MB, but I agree with you. The MBA gave up too much, IMO, to become so thin and light.

 

Just a note to kamehame;

A week ago I probably would have said the same things you're saying about macs and their users and I would be defending you now. After all, I am a MSFT fan through and through. Been a beta tester for them for years, mostly involved in FlightSim betas but in more recent years with Longhorn/Vista and Office 2007.

But something happen a few days ago. I bought a MacBook Pro for my wife as a gift. She's always wanted to try one out because a few of her close friends have them and recommended them to her.

Anyhow, long story short, I've been using her MBP almost exclusively since it was bought. My wife has had the chance to maybe play around with it for a few minutes, and I am now literally taken by OSX. I'm really thinking of buying one for myself now.

It's really hard to place merits in words on an online post, but the philosophy and thought that's put into OSX has become apparent in only a few days of using it. It isn't the pretty colors or aesthetics I'm talking about, but rather the complete underpinnings and integration that's in place. It's light years ahead of anything with the word "windows" in it IMO.

All I'm trying to say is that after using it firsthand I am starting to understand people's positive general impressions of OSX. And maybe to a degree why some of those people feel that OSX is superior to anything out there.

It's too early for me to share the same opinion of OSX but I can tell you it's starting to rub off on me in a big way. And I never would have said this before as I consider myself to be one of those mac-bashers if you will, mostly because I loved MSFT products and was involved behind the scenes with some of their best products (Flightsim) and had no idea what the big deal was with macs.

I look back at some of the things I've posted in other forums about macs etc.. and I feel like an idiot now for saying them. Ignorance on my part, that's for sure.

 

ATC, that's the sorriest, lamest example of Mac bashing I've ever read! LOL

Congrats to Mrs ATC on acquiring such a fine new rig. Best to you both.