New Dell Studio 17 announced (Studio 1745/47)

Great News !!!

Dell has anounced they will soon update the studio 17.

Specifications:

- Core i7-720QM (quad-core): 1,6 Ghz (2,8 Ghz in Turbo mode) and 6MB L3-Cache
- 2 to 8 GB DDR3 memory
- Connectios: 1 line-in and 2 line-out, IEEE 1394, HDMI, Gigabit Ethernet RJ45, 2 USB, USB/e-sata combo, VGA, Displayport
- Ati Mobilty Radeon 4570/ 4650 (DDR3 512/1GB)
- JBL 2.1 Speakers (2 x 1.5 watt and 3 watt subwoofer)
- 2MP Webcam
- Display 17.3":
1) 1600x900, WLED, 220 nits, normal viewing angles (H40/40, V15/30)
2) 1920x1080, RGB LED, 300 nits, great viewing angles (H60/60, V50/50)
- 6 or 9-cell battery
- Touchbar (yes he didn't dissapeared like on the studio 1555!)

The new studio 17 will be slightly lighter and thinner. But don't expect much difference.
Hope to be able to post some pics soon!

More info? Dell support page ( http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/studio1747/en/index.htm

Frequently asked questions:
What are the differences between the new studio 17 (model n° 1745/47) and the old (model n° 1735/37)?
(read: new vs old)
- Core i7 vs Core 2 Duo
- DDR3 ram (max 8GB) vs DDR2 ram (max 4GB)
- Ati Radeon 4650 1GB vs Ati Radeon 3650 256MB
- 17.3" LED screen vs 17" screen (LED optional)
- JBL 2.1 SRS Premium Sound (incl. subwoofer) vs Intel HD Audio 2.0 (no subwoofer)
- 7200 rpm standard hdd vs 5400 standard hdd
- standard 9-cell battery vs 6-cell battery (9-cell optional)
- 3 USB ports (incl. USB/E-sata combo) vs 4 USB ports
- Displayport vs none
- 32 mm Expresscard vs 54mm Expresscard slot

Both have HDMI, Firewire, VGA, 2 line-out and 1 line-in, 8-in-1 Media card reader, Gigabit Ethernet, Bleutooth and Backlit Keyboard (optional).
The new studio 17 is slightly thinner (39 vs 43 mm) and lighter (3.2 kg vs 3.57 kg in minimum configuration).

When will it be available worldwide?
Nowadays it should be available almost everywhere in the world.

What is the core i7 turbo mode?
Quoted from Mastershroom:
The Core i7 Turbo Mode basically allows unused cores to "shut off" temporarily while overclocking the remaining active cores. If all 4 cores are used, the CPU runs at its default speed for all cores. If it's running 2 cores, then the two being used are overclocked by a good amount. If it's a single-threaded app running on just one core, that core clocks up even higher.

Where can I find more info about the new i7 technology?
Take a look at this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=420331

Where can I find a review of the new studio 17?
Notebookreview.com - link
Laptopmag.com - link
Notebookjournal.de (German) - link
No review has been found with the Full HD (1920x1080) screen yet.

Does the new studio 17 has a Synaptics touchpad instead of the Alps one in the old studio 17?
Yes, as the studio 15, the new studio 17 is the proud owner of a better touchpad.

Is there a built-in tv-tuner?
Yes, according to the manual. And according to Dell drivers, it's one from Avermedia.
At the moment (25/09) the option is not yet available when you order, nor is the extra cost known.

What to do when you're experiencing the 7 beeps of dead (=cpu failure)?
First report your problem to Dell technical support!

Dell is investigating the problem at the moment. But a temporary fix is available. Beware, this fix doesn't guarantee your notebook is completely fixed. Keep up to date with news from Dell!

What about the throttle issue? Is there a solution yet?
Dell has acknowledged the problem and are still investigating it. They haven't given an official solution yet.

Some users have come with their own (not official) solution. It involves buying a more powerfull Dell 130W psu (=power supply unit) and installing some software named Throttlestop, which removes the 90w consumption limit.

Beware, this solution (as far as it is one) is at own risk!

The appropriate Dell 130w psu's:
PA-13
PA-4E

Throttlestop software: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/3/1794507/ThrottleStop.zip

Ubuntu issues:

RECENT UPDATE:

How to install the sound drivers for the studio 1747 with Ubuntu 9.10?

How to install the video drivers for the studio 1747 with Ubuntu 9.10?

Does Ubuntu handles the Intel Turbo mode technology?

 

But whats the die size?? and the TDP of the new CPU's

I won't bother buying unless its 32nm

http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/core_i7_systems/fs.aspx?refid=core_i7_systems&s=dhs&cs=19

there are 2 choices

Core i7 720QM or Core i7 820QM


http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/.../09/23/march-of-the-dell-core-i7-laptops.aspx


Look at the specs on the new Studio 17 for $1099, WOW!!! with a $50 rebate, that should blow anything out of the water

still need the die size, and TDP

and what gives no more RGB LED option hmmmm somethings wrong

and glad to see I was 100% correct, the Studio 17 refresh was just around the corner exactly as I predicted.

So glad I extended my warranty another year this is what I will probably get as my replacement in 6 months SWEET!!!

 

these are clarkfield chips and no, they are not 32nm (they're still 45nm).
TDP is 45/45/55 (720QM/820QM/920XM) which includes the heat that was on the old northbridge chips which is now on the CPU die.

I dont know how that GPU compares to the alternatives available though. Mobile GPUs just confuse me lately.

 

I wonder if these processors will be upgradeable to the 32nm version. i.e., I wonder if, when the 32nm chips come out, these will be able to just pop them right in.

EDIT: Nevermind, Arrandale has it's own socket.

 

These are 45nm not worth buying at all. My Core 2 Duo Montvenia is 45nm.

Ask a replacement Studio 17 for the $50 it cost me for another warranty year sure I will take it buy by then

32nm Arrandale will be out as part of a refresh by this time next year.

Looking forward to 32nm Arrandale and low TDP watt usage

the one announced today are Clarkfield 45nm with a TDP of 45 watts no thanks

my Core 2 Duo is 45nm and uses 35 TDP watts

DDR3 dropping from 1.8volts in DDDR 2 to 1.5volts in DDR3 may help offset the Battery life suckage

my long standing Policy has always been ONLY upgrade and buy when its a DIE shrink, if not the gain will be minimal.


Sure the 45 TDP watt 45nm Core i7, performance wise blows away the 45nm Core 2 Duo.

However since DELL for some reason, is not offering the RGB LED 1920x1200 Display on the Studio 17, I will consider my 1737 Superior.

For now I am happy for the people who will buy these. But becarefull the Configurations DELL is offering on the new 1747 Suck no N WiFi only the Dell 802.11g receiver
and no RGB LED.



For this time next year around Christmas I will be looking forward to a new.

32nm Core i7 with a TDP of 20 Watts way superior battery life and performance

6GB DDR3 1333mhz performance RAM

Mobile ATI 5000 series cards (drool 40nm)

For free as a Replacement to my Studio 1737..


HAHA LOL

 

There's a TV antenna connector, subwoofer, and B+RG LED for HD screen... Interesting.

But wait...

Only 3 USBs and only 1 full size Mini PCIe slots and 2 are for half size cards...??? It might not be so good after all.

 

nope, same socket for arrandale. Different chipset (to support the GPU, if you want it), but same socket.

The parts announced today are quads and that +10W TDP includes two extra cores and the memory controller (which used to be counted separately).
Oh, and arrandale will be out within the next 3 months but is only a dual core (still preferable to me, but keep your names straight).

 

Darnit I just broke down and got a 1737 last week
I guess the 1737 will be recommissioned as my Mom's desktop replacement...meaning I will need a new laptop

 

Just return it.

 

well it is a little thinner and lighter, vs the 1737, has 2 full size PCI Express Mini, and 1 Half Mini.

the 1737 has 4 USB 2.0 slots + 1 eSata, which is also USB 2.0 (clearly looks like they sacrificed a USB for Display Port) they should have killed off VGA

the new 1747, also has 32mm Card slot vs 54mm card slot on the 1737.

And I still have not seen officially from DELL the RGB LED option.

clearly it would not be the same sourced 17" RGB LED since the new 1747 is 17.3" inches so it has to be a new panel.


I am really interested mainly by that "Antenna" port is that for TV or WiFi??

because I have always wanted an external cantenna for my 1737 but have no way to hook it up.

All in all good desktop replacement, They will improved it much by this time next year.

 

Hooking up an external cantenna is easy enough anyway, simply buy a USB wifi stick with a plug for an additional antenna (there are many that have this available, I have a spare one floating about somwehere, though damned if I can remember what the USB stick is called). Hook the cantenna up to that.

It's not the best solution of course, but if you wanted to try an external cantenna it would work.

 

right but I don't want to buy an 802.11n USB wifi stick for $80 bucks. All I want is a boost to what I already have.


On a side note also looks like they got rid of the WiFi Cather that no one used or draws battery power. Where you press it and if it glows theres WiFi in your area.

 

Funny, I never paid anywhere near that for mine. Guess you don't use eBay much.

Cantennas aren't often up to much anyway. My preference would be for an Intel 5100 or 5300 anyday.

 

You know it's gotta be for TV, they are competing with the entertainment notebooks from HP and those have TV tuner options, so I am sure Dell is thinking along those lines.

I've never seen a laptop with a WiFi antenna port, or an antenna port for a 3G/EVDO card (which IMO needs an antenna a lot more than a WiFi card) These latest generation WiFi cards are pretty amazing at what signals they can pick up now, no need for external antenna.

I think the VGA port will be around for a long time, people need these to plug into projectors for presentations and such, not to mention DisplayPort monitors have about 0.0001 % market share at this point, LOL.

I'm definitely going to grab one of these Studios this fall, even if battery life and heat is an issue... Core 2 Duo just isn't getting the job done for me anymore... the i7 desktop I have blows the doors off and to get performance like that in a laptop would be fantastic.

 

yeah display port can suck it, give people an extra USB 2.0

I have 5 and almost all used.

#1. Printer
#2. scanner
#3. HDTV Tuner
#4. Sprint Touch Pro for Tethering EVDO Rev A
#5. combo eSata (external 500GB back up drive)

and this bad boy in my 54mm express card slot

http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?Item_code=KEYB_ATAC_TA_GT


so I am maxed out display port would be useless.


the performance of a Quad Core i7 is amazing.

Its really nice for those with a Studio 17, because the replacements we get will be AWESOME!!


just becarefull on the 1747 bundles being sold now theres no option or DELL is not allowing the Intel 5100 or 5300 N WiFi they are trying to clear out their own crap 802.11g recievers

 

Good catch on the WiFi... no TV tuner option offered either, no fingerprint reader, no 3G EVDO card. $350 to bump up a lousy 0.13 GHz to the next processor, no thanks. I'll wait until November when they are shipping these certified with Windows 7. By then hopefully they have all the options available. Just like the Studio 1737 last fall, it was better to wait a couple months after the initial launch.

Edit: "Preliminary Ship Date: 10/29/2009" ... I guess there's a month wait anyways ...

 

Actually Windows 7 will be launched 22 october, so you won't have to wait until november

 

Hello all!

I was just wondering if you guys think it is best to wait a little before buying this laptop, as the last post said. I have just sent back my 1737 for a refund after having two defective ones sent to me.

I think it sucks that it is coming in the chainlink colour that's got to be the ugliest design ever. I love the Jet Black I have now, sadly it isn't even an extra option on the new one. Does anyone know if you can get something aftermarket to cover it up, I would like to cover up the interior chainlink as well? (if the design is on the inside like the Studio 15.)

I think I will be able to live with the colour since the new system has many upgrades!

 

Black Chainlink isn't bad if you wipe off the fingerprints every week or so. And the palmrest pattern is hardly noticeable if you're not staring right at it.

 

Yeah but I am very particular about that sort of stuff, I know it would drive me crazy.

Another question is how easy would it be to upgrade to an N wireless card?, that is also not an option when I build it online.

 

It is easy to replace a wireless card, it's pretty much plug and play.
You can find a Intel wireless 5100 AGN for around 20$ on Ebay. For more detailed installation instructions, follow this link to the Dell Manual.

OR, you could be patient and wait a bit until Dell finally got rid of most of his own crap Dell Wireless cards and puts the Intel ones as an option. Maybe Customer Support can already place the intel one in your configuration. Give it a try and call.

 

Does anyone know if/when this laptop will be available to order in Canada?

 

Already is (look in the faq in the first post).
Here's the link: http://www1.ca.dell.com/ca/en/home/Laptops/studio-1747/pd.aspx?refid=studio-1747&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&~ck=mn

 

Thanks for that. I couldnt find it on the site and the rep I was chatting with had no clue!

 

Yeah I am just going to wait, I spoke with my Dell rep today and he informed me that I should wait a bit to get a better price. He said that they usually offer incentives on new products shortly after release.

Thanks for the links though, if I get impatient I might have to try that. Or perhaps talk with Dell about placing an Intel card in. I know the representative I speak to at Dell can sometimes do those things, plus he knows what a hard time I have had with their defective machines!

Hey, I am in Canada as well and as answered it is available already, but you might also want to wait for them to offer a discount within the next few weeks!

EDIT: Chris don't talk to the chat support people, they have no clue about anything and are usually quite rude about helping people.

 

It's easy to replace the card but I would be somewhat hesitant because the internal wiring or antenna for the N card might not be there... Dell is usually pretty good about having things pre-wired for future expansion though.

I got burned on an HP dv7t -- I didn't order the TV tuner, and discovered the cheap b@stards didn't spend the extra 10 cents to run the internal wire for the antenna. The laptop would have had to be completely gutted to add the antenna wire later.

 

Both of my Studio 15's (1535 and 1555) had the third WiFi antenna in place, despite the laptops only shipping with two-antenna cards. I added the 5300 to each of them, and the antenna was just waiting inside.

 

Hey, I am in Canada as well and as answered it is available already, but you might also want to wait for them to offer a discount within the next few weeks!

EDIT: Chris don't talk to the chat support people, they have no clue about anything and are usually quite rude about helping people.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the tip!!!

I asked this in another thread but does anyone know how big a jump in performance there is going from the i7-720 to the 820? Its an extra $400 and I am not sure if its worth it.
I need something that will run Flight Simulator X fairly well. How does the Turbo thing work? Apparently FSX runs really well at a clock speed of 2.8ghz.
Thanks!

 

The Core i7 Turbo Mode basically allows unused cores to "shut off" temporarily while overclocking the remaining active cores. If all 4 cores are used, the CPU runs at its default speed for all cores. If it's running 2 cores, then the two being used are overclocked by a good amount. If it's a single-threaded app running on just one core, that core clocks up even higher.

 

What info does anyone have on the 1745 that does NOT have the Core i7 processors? I actually ordered one yesterday that has a T6600 (wanted the P7350 but that was not an option). They had a great deal on it via an Evalue code in the Austin paper last Sunday, but I can't find it anywhere else on the website. You can still get to it via Evalue code 00299-DNPHSH1, but without the $330 discount that was offered.

 

The Studio 17 with a Core 2 Duo and not an i7 is either a 1735 or 1737, not a 1745.

 

Yeah... But I wonder why 2 half mini PCIe cards. I'm pretty sure the full size is for WWAN/3G cards (unless they've started making half size 3G mini PCIe module). Dell is known to use half size WiFi card lately, so one of the half size slots is likely for this card. But if they would include WiMAX as option (mentioned in the Studio 1745/47 Setup Guide), then I guess we'll have to cross out WiMAX/WiFi Link 5350 since it doesn't come in half size, thus can only choose WiMAX/WiFi Link 5150 which is slower at WiFi, since it is currently the only combo WiMAX/WiFi card which has half size variant. Unless, of course, the WWAN/3G slot is not used.

And the last one is for the TV tuner. Apparently I didn't aware if there is half size TV tuner mini PCIe card, especially hybrid analog + digital TV tuner.

It's a shame for a desktop replacement laptop to have only 3 USBs. Even my current setup permanently uses 4 USB ports

Ah... Yes, this one also a downside for me. 32mm ExpressCard slot means no more remote control which fits in nicely in the 54mm slot. And I also have to ditch my 54mm ExpressCard Compact Flash Adapter which is very fast, way faster than using USB 2.0, in transferring pictures from UDMA capable CF cards used in my DSLR.

B+RG LED for the Full HD 1080 screen is documented in Setup Guide.

The antenna port is for TV. It's documented in the Studio 1745/47 Service Manual.

 

How come this isn't available in the UK? Is the UK just a place to sell off old stock without any price concessions.

 

#1. I read the setUp Guide and did not see anything mentioning a RGB LED Display at all.

#2. What I did find is a mention of an Optional "Touch screen" for the Studio 17

Now thats would be awesome. I actually had a dream once that my Studio 17 was Touch screen looks like DELL had the same dream.



Update: I found the mention of a 17.3" FHD B+RG LED backlight, display with True Life. I am really confused why the name change?? like on the 1737 and studio 16 XPS its simply called RGB LED now B+RG LED

 

Maybe since Blue LED was the last (or they say was the hardest) to be manufactured. So maybe this one has improved Blue LED...

Or maybe just different panel manufacturer uses different naming.

 

Not true. I you look at the Evalue quote, and go to "Print summary" wyou will see that they list it as 1745. In addition, it has DDR3 memory, the LED panel and the 1745 graphics cards, none of which are available on the 1735 or 1737.

 

Don't try to understand Dell's product launch strategies. But the new studio 17 and the updated studio 15 will probably arrive in Europe in october (probably around the launch of Windows 7 - 22 october).

I know it's hard, be we need a little bit of patience.
And the advantage is that by then possible new product failures of the studio 17 will be solved (let's hope there won't be, but still...). Probably also one of the reasons why they mostly launch products later in Europe: the strict customer protection in the EU would give Dell hard times if they dared launching products that aren't thoroughly tested yet. The US & Canada are way more easy on that part.

 

17.3 inch screen? I will pass. Frequent travelling has made me allergic to huge screen sizes. A 16 inch seems the perfect size for me.

 

Well, that's just silly.

 

The updated Studio 15 is already available in the UK. Haven't checked again since last night, but it could be that the 17 is also by now.

 

You're right, the studio 15 is already updated (not only in the UK, but in whole Europe). Still no sign of the new studio 17 though.

 

But the new Studio 15 came out months ago. It's not surprising it's available everywhere. The 14z still isn't available in Europe, so I'd expect a few months for the new 17.

 

For now I would not touch any of the Studio 17's because DELL does not let you add the Intel 5100 N WiFi or the 5300. Only the crap DELL 802.11g so stay away.

My guess is they are having supply problems sourcing the Intel 5100 and 5300, thats all people want.

 

My guess is they have too much of their own 802.11g cards left. Nobody wants them. And they hope the first studio 17 buyers will be too impatient and buy the studio 17 anyway, even if there's the crapp Dell card in it. I'm sure a lot of people can't wait. And there are always people who don't know it's crap.

 

Yeah but it is actually cheaper to buy it with the carp dell 802.11g and then replace it with an intel 5100/5300 yourself. And it is so rediculously easy to do!

 

I don't know about that. Usually they charged about 10 Euros more fore the Intel 5100 in Belgium (Europe). Personally, I can't find an Intel for 10 Euros, even on ebay.

Correction: Apparantly I thought wrong. Seems now they charge about 25 euros for the 5100 and 45 for the 5300. Well, now the offer with the crap Dell is indeed cheaper.

 

Is this wireless card a deal killer? I know nothing about them but you guys seem to think this one is no good. Will I notice slower internet speeds? Can I upgrade it myself? I am about to order mine so any info helps!
Also think its worth the extra $400(Canada) to go from the 720 to the 820 i7? How much improvement will I notice for gaming?
Thanks!

 

It's not a deal killer. I think the point is this is supposed to be state of the art machine and they don't have a wireless "n" option... If your internet connection is less than oh say 20Mbps you are not going to notice a difference (reading real-world throughput of 54Mbps "g" is actually anywhere from 18-34Mbps) Yes you can replace it later, it's really easy.

I've been looking for 720 to 820 benchmarks and can't find any... I really doubt it's worth paying that much extra for such a small increase in Ghz. This is the typical Intel pricing model when a new chip comes out, charge a huge amount for a little increase and hope the bleeding edge gamers will pay for it. Then a few months later the difference will be $50.

 

Perfect! Thanks for the info!!!

 

However, if you have a wireless home network that you use for streaming HD video then there is a big difference.

Seems like such an odd decision on Dell's part, with Wireless-N cards available or standard on every other laptop they make, including the Mini 10.