POST your 15R & 17R SE gaming performance

you guys with 15R and 17R special editions computers....please upload your gaming spec (or 3Dmark tests). im really intersted what Ati 7730 can do

Crysis 2.........17R SE

¤ 1080p
¤ Advanced settings (V-sync off)
...............................................................FPS= ~30

MW3........17R SE

¤ 1080p
¤ everything on Extra. 2XAA. (all eye candy enabled)
...............................................................FPS= ~45

MW2...........17R SE

¤ 1080p
¤ ¤ everything on Extra. 4XAA. (all eye candy enabled)
...............................................................FPS= ~65

 

7730m is a fail , much slower than gt 640m
sometimes slower than 630m

gt650m beat the out of it.

 

Played some Battlefield 3 on my 17R SE FullHD.
But before I post my results I have to mention that my GPU Boost is not working correctly.
So the framerates can be around 10% better with it.

Caspian Border, 64 players, Conquest Large, 1080p:

Medium Settings:
Frames: 933 - Time: 30000ms - Avg: 31.100 - Min: 26 - Max: 37

High Settings:
Frames: 674 - Time: 30000ms - Avg: 22.467 - Min: 18 - Max: 28

Ultra Settings:
Frames: 520 - Time: 30000ms - Avg: 17.333 - Min: 15 - Max: 27

On large maps like Caspian Border I prefer Medium Settings. High is playable on maps like Operation Metro.
Post-Antialiasing uses most of the power of the GPU. If you choose High or Ultra Settings and disable post-aa it will run quiet good.

 

17r se new bios has fixed gpu boost.

 

Really? Can you send me a link to it? I flashed my 17R with the bios on Dell support but after some time it isn´t working anymore.
The last one I have found was the A01 version.

 

There is only one version to date, the first.

There is a procedure to get the boost back, but it won't last if CPU temp is above a certain level, I guess it's 80°C.

 

it's just the A01 bios from dell download.
This one fixed gpu boost. confirmed by other users.

 

Anyway, 7730m cannot be overclocked by 1mhz

Ｉwill never buy a computer with ATI/amd card again, never.

 

It's not supported yet, I think. Have you tried using MSI Afterburner or maybe Sapphire Trixx?

 

That is not a fix really, but some sort of reset. You do not have to do it.

Things are like this:

Dell has set quite low maximum temps for CPU and GPU. Both can reach a max of ~90°C.

GPU boost will be gone under the next scenarios that I know of:

1. If you use the laptop on battery and you plug it in;
2. If CPU temp goes above certain level, my best guess is above 80°C.

There are two way to get the boost back:

1. Reflash the BIOS;
2. Make sure the laptop is plugged. Turn it off. Unplug. Plug again. Turn it on. I found out that this works. It took me some time to rule everything out.

Again, if now the CPU temp will go above that level, boost will stop working even after the fix, any of them. Just try it.

Some personal take on this:

1. The boost should come back in any situation if the temperature goes down;

2. There should be an option in BIOS (like there is in other laptops) to allows users control over CPU turbo. This is needed in N7720 since the CPU is not that important in all games, BUT if it gets hot, it will influence the GPU as well. 2.3Ghz is fast enough for most tasks anyway.

3. If the above (2) is not an option, Dell might raise the top value for CPU and let it hit ~95°C before throttling. Ivy bridge will run quite hot as Intel changed the design, making it worse than Sandy, but this is another story. Also some turbo mode for the fan will help - I'm not sure how fast can it go, it does about 4k rpm right now.

Sorry for this off topic part in here.

 

Anything that causes GPU throttling (eg. CPU > 80C or battery mode) causes a semi-permanent throttle that can only be undone by shutting down the laptop, removing the power and then reconnecting the power before turning back on.

Flashing the bios also has the same effect,but since the problem will still keep reoccurring, this is NOT recommended. Please follow the above, much less drastic, procedure instead.

 

you mean new BIOS ?? or new video BIOS ?? ( i think you mean NEW BIOS, just wanna ask you)


ps---and please ...you guys with 15R SE,,,,,upload your gaming spec.

 

There is only one BIOS for both and there are no updates.

 

Have you reported this problem to Dell and Dell-Bill? This seems like a problem that needs to be addressed in a future BIOS or video card update.

 

cman.....i have not (yet) felt any lack of the GPU when i play hardcore games....but i really want to get a little bit more info here.

options 1..........reflash BIOS to A01 (7720A01.exe (4MB))

options 2....(which is the one who is more interested)..... .Make sure the laptop is plugged. Turn it off. Unplug. Plug again. Turn it on.

how can this make the GPU works 100% ??? (thats the million dollar question)......thanks
...................................................................................................................................


ps....when i use Everest to check my BIOS version i see this: (it use to look at some numbers, but not any more i guess)



ps...i restarted i saw my BIOS is A01.....no need to flash that one i guess.

 

I think the bit of code that forms the throttling instruction is not undoing properly, and since it's at quite a low level, a standard shutdown doesn't affect it. By removing the power when shut down I guess the memory that the instruction is held in gets wiped/reset due to the lack of power to sustain it. Possibly.

Anyway, long and the short of it is, it is not 'working as intended' - the throttling really should toggle back off when throttling conditions are no longer present. It would be nice, though not desperately urgent, if Dell could issue a bios fix to solve the problem.

 

well....i played crysis 2 for a hour........and didn't fell any lack of GPU power any time. (played it in 1080 + advanced)

 

Unplug your power cord while playing, and you will probably see what we are talking about...

I solved the problem by

1) reflashing the A01 bios
2) Redo my power saving configuration to use something else than Dell one and made sure i checked everything i needed...

Problem solved... for now.

 

All the problems are known and can be fixed in one way or another.

If you have like 35fps and there is a drop of let's say 5-7fps, you can still play the game quite good. So it's hard to see that now. But in future games that might make a difference. And OK, you can always drop settings, but yes, it does not work as intented.

I also have an Asus G55 now so I can compare to GTX 660M.

The difference should not be much, 100Mhz right? But in real life Dell will work at 745Mhz, while Asus works at 950 all the time. There is a good 200Mhz difference now. Even more, under no scenario (worse case Prime+Fur) you can make 660 go up to 90°C and clock down.

It's a shame since this N7720 is such a great overall laptop.

I do not recommend unplugging during games since it might just turn off without warning. You can try, nothing bad will happen, but still it's better to know this. It has a thermal protection, you will see a warning when you start it again.

 

c-man....which software are using to monitor your GPU speed(Mhz) during games ????

 

GPU-Z or HWiNFO64 will do.

I use the last one more since it gives info on CPU as well.

GPU-Z will give you info on how the card performs in time so you can see any drops.

 

About msi afterburner. Can you oc directly just moving the slides?
Will Msi afterburner monitor your gpu speeds during games

 

Use nvidiaInspector. It also has a tool to monitor GPU. I like this better than Afterburner.

There is also this topic http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...guide-workaround-max-clocks-oc-stability.html

I never did that, so if you decide to do so, please read everything.

You can't really OC in a normal way unless you can keep CPU temp low enough for the GPU boost to work.

Also remember that around 90°C the GPU will start to clock down to 790Mhz until CPU temps hit the state where boost will stop and GPU will work at 745Mhz.

To control CPU there is Throttlestop, but again I did not use it to see how well it performs. It should be able to keep clocks down. You can find it's topic in the link above.

 

Oh no. Im not OCing this card. Its really good enough as it is. I just wondering

 

Glad to hear that.

 

is this any way to get proper turbo bost up 835Mhz on the gt 650 ???

c-man....which "energy/power-settings" do you think is best......... DELL or Windows(stock).............i guess you doesn't get proper turbo bost (835Mhz) just to change to Windows.

 

I have tried them all in all possible settings. This is a BIOS problem, not Windows.

 

so lets call DELL and make them change next A02 BIOS.

by the way. ....are you 100% sure a new gpu driver not will fix this ??

 

All I could find and have tried did not. But I don't see how the driver might change things. If CPU if cool enough, the GPU will work OK. If CPU goes above a certain level, the GPU boost stops. But the GPU itself does not reach very high temperatures to really justify this. If you test GPU alone, at 90°C it will do a constant 790Mhz and in games it's never close to that.

This can't be easy for Dell. I imagine those limitations are there for a reason.

 

ok, so the gpu boost right now up to 835Mhz (if the CPU have normal temp)

when i played crysis 2 with normal temp on the CPU, i didnt see the GPU reach up to 835Mhz......you know why ???

 

guys, have you tried disabling turboboost on the cpu for lower temps? this may allow your gpu boost to work. Most games are bottlenecked by the gpu and still work great at 2.3ghz.

An easy way to do this is to go into advanced power options and set your max cpu performance to 99%

I often do this on my m14x to reduce the fan noise. I set balanced to 99% and keep high power to 100% this way I can easily activate/de-activate cpu turbo when needed

 

Change thermal paste on cpu (and gpu/chip of course) and you get about 10C less heat on the cpu. I use artic silver 5.

But i will try this 99% in power settings and see if the gpu ALLWAYS run in 835mhz during games

 

Question. Are you sure you inactivate cpu turbo boost when setting to 99%?

 

you mean if a set this feature to 99% the cpu will stay way cooler and gpu will hit 835mhz all time during game ??

 

When I set that to 99% on the XPS 15 it disabled turbo boost. The CPU sat pegged just below the non turbo frequency.

 

Has anybody here tried the beta of Counter Strike: Global Offensive on their N7720? How did it perform if so? This will be released in three weeks, around the same time I hope to get the 17R SE and it'll be one of the first games I buy

 

A guide for overclocking AMD Radeon
7730M
***In this guide i have explained how
to overclock core and memory clocks
of 7730M for increased performance,
this overclocking guide is safe since it
doesn't involve messing around with
voltage but somehow if you brick your
gpu, i cannot be held responsible***
You will need,
*MSI afterburner (other OC tools like
riva tuner, EVGA precision, sapphire
trixx and asus gpu tweak won't work)
*Furmark
*Two .dll files namely, atipdl64.dll &
atipdlxx.dll, these are needed since
AMD has withdrawn support for
official overclocking by removing
overdrive option in catalyst control
center of new drivers (google the
names and download)
*At least two demanding games to
test stability
Now follow these steps
*Install MSI afterburner and open the
application, it will show you the stock
speeds (you cannot overclock at this
point, this step is just to create a
profile folder)
*Now go to MSI afterburner
installation folder and open a .cfg file
named Afterburner with notepad,
scroll down to the bottom and modify
as shown below,
[ATIADLHAL]
UnofficialOverclockingEULA = I confirm
that I am aware of unofficial
overclocking limitations and fully
understand that MSI will not provide
me any support on it
UnofficialOverclockingMode = 1
*Save the file and paste a copy of it in
profile folder also
*Now move the two .dll files into the
MSI installation folder or move
atipdl64.dll to windows>system32 and
atipdlxx.dll to windows>SysWOW64
*Open the registry editor and go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM
\ControlSet001\Control\Cl
\{4D36E968-E325-11CE-
BFC1-08002BE10318}, find the
following, EnableCrossFire, EnableUlps
& EnableUlps_NA, change all their
values to 0.
*Restart
Overclocking
*Open MSI afterburner and modify
the memory clock first, take it slow
and increase the frequency by 10-15
Mhz. After each increase run furmark
burn-in test at native resolution
(1366*768) in full screen for at least 5
minutes. once you see artefacts or if
furmark crashes reduce the frequency
by 10Mhz.
*Repeat the above step for core clock
also.
*I have read about a guy with hp
laptop who couldn't get past 590Mhz
with core clock, i was able to go till
645Mhz but the games became highly
unstable so i had to again reduce the
frequency. My final stable OC values
are coreclock=610Mhz and
memory=940Mhz.
*Use furmark only as a primary
benchmark to test system stability and
to monitor gpu load and temperature,
your final benchmark should be the
games. I used witcher 2 and
Battlefield BC2, if games crash after
overclocking just reduce the
frequency by 10Mhz.
Getting BSOD during overclocking is
normal. Make sure that you have not
selected ''apply overclocking at system
statup'' option in afterburner, if you
select it you might get BSOD at statup.
*Save the profile of your most stable
oc values and load it every time
before you launch a game.
*Use fraps for in game fps monitoring
and observe the increase in
performance after overclocking.
HAPPY GAMING!!!

 

Can you tell me why I don't have the same options as you in Processor Power Management? I tried all other power modes,plugged or unplugged but I only have this option.

 

ive just playing BF3 for 2-3 days now....................WOW.....what a game (i knew it would be good, im a true DICE fan)

anyway............my settings are:
1920x1080
texture & terrain quality : High
preferred & post AA: medium
shadows: medium
V-sync & motion blur: off
SSAO enabled (instead of HBAO (eats little to much fps)
6 X AF

after putting the cpu to 99%....i run the game around 35 fps.......works for me


andrei..............here how it looks (under power settings - advanced settings)

 

KSMB, thanks for helping me!

The strange thing is that I DON'T have the options you do using the High Performance Plan or any other power plan. My only option under Processor Power management is System cooling policy. Weird, isn't it?

See my attached file.

Can anyone tell me why I only have the System cooling policy option?

 

...................what windows version do you have ??? (i use right now win.7 64.bit, home edition).............you should have this options under power settings.

maybe your windows version not have this ???? (look it up)

 

I have Win 7 x64 Ultimate so it surely has nothing to do with my Windows version.

 

bug ?? really havnt seen this before

GT650 is just a damn strong card............it render shader-heavy games soooooo extremely good.

i wouldn't change this card to any GTX card in 5-series. (only GTX 670/680)

 

Are you trying to do that with a user with admin rights or with a limited user?
Also if you may have to click the "Change settings..." as below

 

I have full administrator rights. It is the default user from when i did my Win installation.

As you can see in the attached image from my above post I don't have the option mentioned in your attached image.

Could this be something related to drivers? I just checked Device manager and everything is properly installed, I have no yellow marked items.

 

Check your BIOS settings. Something may be set in there to prevent the operating system from controlling the processor state.

 

I checked my BIOS and I have the Intel SpeedStep option enabled. I have version A01.

Other than that I don't have other options related to the processor.

Can anyone who owns a 7720 post screenshots of their BIOS for comparisons sake.

Thanks in advance!

 

A01 BIOS....