Preliminary results of Quadro P5200m and GTX 1070m on M6700

Okay so tonight, I grinded a little around my M6700 (Got some other repair works going on for my cousin's M6700). The results are not satisfying (yet), but just FYI

1. Let's start with P5200
The only available standard MXM Quadro P5200 GPU available on the market is from HP. which appears to have missing the EEPROM chip for vBIOS. Dell use their own DGFF thing and thinpad P72 is BGA craps
So tonight I soldered on the EEPROM chip for my Quadro P5200m. But the results are more or less disappointing.
The vRAM chips for P5000 and P5200 appears to be the same, or of minor difference. And based on another person's GTX 980m => GTX 980 upgrade, I thought the P5000m vBIOS will work straight away. However it just refuse to boot. Appears like AMD vega where a embedded security microprocessor just shutdown the card when other BIOS are flashed.

Flashing the P5200m vBIOS from Dell 7730, it is working. The Dell logo shows up, But nothing further. In conclusing it will only work with P5200 vBIOS, which based on date will not be compatible with M6700

2. GTX 1070m
This one is a bit interesting. I tried the vBIOS extracted by henrik. My M6700 seemed to boot fine, it shows boot screen, the "Press F1 to continue" and stff. But when it gets to booting the system, the screen turns completely black, without backlit. Press Caps locks gives a response, however I cannot tell if it has really booted or not. Or what exactly was going on. When I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Delete it restarts, but I'm pretty sure it's not bluescreen or stuck at windows error checks.

Good thing is, I have quite a few vBIOSes to try around with. Will update later.


Also, I was trying to fix my cousin's M6700 tonight. It turned out that the GTX 980m is somehow shorted and worse, it will burn every single M6700 Motherboard that it is plugged into. Need suggestion!

Also looking for GTX 980m, PM me if you have one lying around somewhere

 

How does that work? I was unable to find the bios chip on my 980m either. But it clearly has a vBios

That bios is for a 1BE1 which I think is a gsync. That might explain the lack of display output. Are you able to try the HDMI or DP outputs?

 

Eurocom sent me this press release some months back. It looks like there is a Quadro P5200 MXM card used in this system. (Not sure if it would work any better, or how to get one standalone for that matter.)

 

Could you please send me the vBIOS?

 

I don't have one of these cards, I'm just mentioning its existence...

 

Oh okay. I think those will be some sort of deformed cards like the clevo GTX 1070. those would share similar PCB design

 

The press release does state that the cards are 82x105mm which is the standard size for MXM 3.0b.

[Edit]
On the upgrade screen for this system, you can purchase the Quadro cards standalone... Nice of them to do this, not cheap though
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgrade(2,452,0)TornadoF7W

 

$2499..... WOW, take my kidney.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/looking-for-quadro-p5200-vbios.827718/

May be of interest...

 

kudos on trying!

btw, do you have any nvidia drivers preinstalled on your system? the black screen upon windows loading sounds like it may be driver related. try and boot into safe mode and remove gpu driver via DDU, see if that helps.

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1. So I just tried the P5200m vBIOS. The dell logo show up. But I can't get beyond dell logo, just the same as any other pascal cards on M6700.

The HP Quadro P5200 card will work with adding an EEPROM (W25Q40EW) and a flashed vBIOS on the laptop which can take it.

 

ah, so your P5200 doesnt have an aftermarket eeprom chip on it? ive seen some sellers on taobao offering the P5200 with soldered on vbios chip, id love to play around with that, especially now that ive got a programmer on hand

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Really? Where?
The only standard mxm form P5200m as I know is from HP, which has a blue PCB and lacked EEPROM chip. Are you sure you are not looking at a P5000m?

 

on taobao, as i said i dont have the links at hand (at work right now), but i have them bookmarked on my laptop at home, ill be sure to share them here! its standard mxm 3.0b, chip clearly reads N18E-Q5-A1 (iirc the P5000 is N17E-Q5-A1, right?) and the EEPROM chip is soldered onto the PCB PCB is black, btw...

 

alright, sorry for the delay, here are the taobao links (all the same seller as far as i can see):

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.20141001.2.52522bdakHiXEN&id=574799021705&scm=1007.12144.95220.42296_0&pvid=16ba3447-460e-44c2-b612-82aee1d7b5bc&utparam={"x_hestia_source":"42296","x_object_type":"item","x_mt":0,"x_src":"42296","x_pos":2,"x_pvid":"16ba3447-460e-44c2-b612-82aee1d7b5bc","x_object_id":574799021705}

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.20141001.1.4fe95f13WUke5o&id=574645440161&scm=1007.12144.95220.42296_0&pvid=66f89f33-cd31-4731-b0ba-25e977c78566&utparam={"x_hestia_source":"42296","x_object_type":"item","x_mt":0,"x_src":"42296","x_pos":1,"x_pvid":"66f89f33-cd31-4731-b0ba-25e977c78566","x_object_id":574645440161}

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.20141001.3.4fe95f13WUke5o&id=574799161458&scm=1007.12144.95220.42296_0&pvid=66f89f33-cd31-4731-b0ba-25e977c78566&utparam={"x_hestia_source":"42296","x_object_type":"item","x_mt":0,"x_src":"42296","x_pos":3,"x_pvid":"66f89f33-cd31-4731-b0ba-25e977c78566","x_object_id":574799161458}

and i remembered incorrectly, its a blue PCB! but still, its standard format, N18E-Q5-A1 AND has the EEPROM chip soldered onto it...

 

I was very close to buying one of these cards for my zbook 17 g5 (which still has an mxm slot lol) unlike the new dell precision.
I changed my mind when I saw that insane price tag. I’m going to try my msi 1070 in the zbook instead. Hopefully hp’s horrendous vbios whitelist does not interfere.

 

@jaybee83 would that quadro still work in a hp laptop? The zbook officially supports it too but it does have a vbios chip. I imagine if there are issues I can take off the vbios chip and be done with it.

 

actually, for a quadro P5200 that's insanely cheap. but yes, compared to a 1070 in standard mxm 3.0b its hugely overpriced... but hey, stock vs. stock ull get +20% performance boost and u can still OC the vRAM and (with a mod) the 1080 cores to match full 1080 performance (its just 10% ahead, actually, at least according to notebookcheck)

so yeah, once the finances are sorted out, the next question would be to try and figure out which vbios would be compatible with your/my machine...

hmmmm, i have nooo idea tbh, im completely unfamiliar with machines sporting the eeprom chip on the mobo. no idea if the mobo chip has preference or if an MXM onboard chip would interfere. but yeah, if ure not scared of a soldering job u could just take off that vbios chip

 

I think in optimus mode the hp zbook couldn't give a **** lol, it seems to be just like dell's precision 7720 or 7710 where only unofficial cards work on optimus, when the bios is set to dgpu you get a black screen. Typical of laptop manufacturers nowdays. I used to despise HP but now I like them more than dell, not dropping mxm standards and sticking to upgradability, that goes a long way...

 

well as long as at least optimus works i couldnt care less about some added input lag and a few % perf. decrease as long as i would still have a gpu upgrade path

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Exactly, you can always overclock to make up for the decrease in performance too.

 

Dude at least they are much better than lenovo. I'd love to use my W701(ds) as my daily driver however it's stuck with FX2800m/FX3800m, which are even worse than HD 6670m/HD 5450m.

I'd love to throw 8740w in the storage. but it's the only 16:10 that is capable of carry somewhat acceptable GPU unfortunately.

 

Alienware M17x R2 is 16:10 1920x1200 RGBLED, it accepts 8970M so they're also that. I've been meaning to test with W7170m

Where did you source your P5200 from? I would like to try in the M18x via optimus. Too bad you live in NOVA....bring your toys down to Richmond and lets make some experiments lol

 

These are exceptions I would make just to have a laptop with a proper mxm socket.

 

Okay So I have tried the 30+ unverified vBIOSes found on TPU database including the one with hardware ID 1BE1 and 1BA1
In short answer, no luck. Either BSOD, or no display. The best I can get in boot without display, with the attached vBIOS. I can enter the BIOS and change settings with Henrik's vBIOS, but not booting into the system (Already safe mode DDU cleaned)

 

Check this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/trials-and-tribulations-installing-a-1070-in-a-m6800.828000/
@JEAMN has made progress on the BSOD that happens with stock vBIOS on the M6800. Maybe it will also help with the M6700.

 

Yep.

In particular, if you are getting a BSOD for Win10, it's worthwhile to setup a Win7 usb installer. Win7 will actually display error information on screen that can help pinpoint the problem.

 

I don't have winbugs 10 in the first place, skip that spyware.
BTW could you please help me modding a BIOS for M6700? I've seen you having a success in M6800

 

Nothing I did with the vBIOS helped. I'm using the OEM vBIOS and use a custom boot loader to patch the ACPI tables before booting Windows. It's basically a hack that UEFI secure boot was designed to prevent. =)

If it's the same problem for the m6700, my solution would probably work for it as well. Are you using Win7 or Win8? Win7 should be giving you some error codes if you are getting a BSOD. If so, could you post them? That'd give us a place to start.

 

Here's the vBIOS of the more cost efficient Quadro P4000m that are said to be working on M6700. Whoever have devices can test and report here

 

Also the ASRock GTX 1080 mxm card will not fit on M6700 (choke in the way of heatpipe)

 

Hi, do you have any source for the P4000 working on M6700 ? Do you think the HP branded P4000 mxm (with epprom on it) should work with the vbios you provided ?
Thanks

 

Source is from a good friend of mine from 51nb. trace backto qinhecat, who's a well known member of laptop modding community, he has modded GTX 780m/880m to K5100m before
The P4000m vBIOS should behave more or less same as Quadro P5000m vBIOS that I've posted.

Though I have no device to test it. I already have megatons of mxm cards and have no intention to get another one.

 

Okay thanks you

 

Did you manage to get this HP’s P4000 working on your M6700?

 

For now I don't have the card, it is on transit.
If you want to buy one from the UK seller, ask for a price in pm, I got it for 250GBP + shipping instead of 300GBP + shipping which is a deal breaker even versus a GTX1060 (less powerfull)

But I think that maybe I will need an eDP lcd in order to avoid optimus, I already have the vbios flashed onto a 3.3v epprom waiting to replace the actual one, and I just need to find a 17.3" 40pins eDP QHD 120Hz or FHD 120Hz with good latency and color accurency

 

Would you upload the vBios .rom file which you have prepared, so I can eventually use it?

 

It's right here :

 

Reminder: pascal cards uses 1.8V EEPROM chip. I can't remember the exact model but you can find it through bigger google images.

 

Thanks, I tought it was 3.3v

 

Did u manage to get P4000 working on M6700?

 

Yes with no issue

 

Would you mind sharing your benchmark results with it? 3DM11, FireStrike, Engine Heave (Ultra/Extreme)

 

yes, I think it's a little bit faster than a GTX980M or M5000M, like a GTX980M at 1400~1500MHz should perform equaly to the P4000, but the P4000 consume less than 70W in gaming, furmark at 90w, still far from the TDP limit in the vbios
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/superp4000-png.175319/
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/p4000-png.175350/
I will make other bench later
Sadly the frequency is locked, I didn't tried yet P4000 desktop vbios on it

 

Very nice, my 970m uses around 50w when gaming, I undervolted and made the tdp target 65w, making it easier to cool the damn thing. It is in an mxm-a slot after all...

I still bench higher than the average 970m and can reach 980m levels with insane core overclocks. Obviously tdp of the card increases by around 10w, still I managed to source a golden sample.

 

There is a big difference between the p4000 and the p5000 when tdp levels are unlocked, I would have tried to source the p5000 as it can actually reach gtx 1070 or above levels on overclocks.

 

Are you talking about an GTX965M (GM206) ?
The P5000 is already a big difference from the P4000, even with it's stock 115~120w TDP (iirc)

 

Nope I put the 970m mxm-b in an mxm-a slot in my acer 8940g motherboard. A laptop older than the first alienware 15 from 2009 with mxm upgradable gpu and will outlive it too

I have pulled about 120w from this slot alone even though it was made for a 35w tdp card. Just shows how much difference an mxm slot can make.

 

I also did UV my GTX 1070 at 0.775V and thi way it peaks at ~90W in FurMark stress test and ~75W when in games.
65-70C max temp.

 

is it 1070 on M6700?