Preliminary results of Quadro P5200m and GTX 1070m on M6700

No, 1070 on HP 8770W

 

I absolutely love the old HP Elitebooks over dells precisions, they are stronger and have much better panels, not to mention that the 8770w had edp at the time for dreamcolor!!!

You could install the new RTX Quadro in that thing, it might boot if you load the vbios into HP's bios chip, cant say the same for a dell precision.

To be fair that HP at the time cost a good thousand over the precision rival.

 

Exactly my thoughts. 8770W is hell of a machine! Built like a tank!

 

The M6700 also have eDP capabilities, I'm running it right now with a 4k panel, the M6700 bios issue for GPU upgrade is really killing it sadly, for sure using a 1060 or a 1070 (or even a 1080) in the M6700 would have been a lot cheaper and a more powerfull solution for gpu upgrading, but to be fair a P4000 or P5000 is a good pair for and "old" quad core ivy bridge cpu, my 3920XM @4.2GHz is a pretty good match with my P4000 which I get for less than a GTX1060 while being more powerfull, I think that Quadro RTX is overkill for these old ivy bridge cpu, except if you are planing to use an high resolution monitor, but even then, you are throwing big money in an old laptop instead of upgrading to a 6 or 8 core cpu laptop :/

 

Sadly the cooling of elitebooks are hard to elaborate.

TBH my favourite had been W701(ds), just the GPU can't be changed. :/ (The only imperfection of W701 is the position of RHS USB ports.)

 

are you able to oc the vram? that could still be doable.

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everything is locked, I'm looking about 86.04.2E.00.2C vbios, and also for those who have a P3000 and want to upgrade the M6700 gpu, you should try this vbios, it is very similar to the P5000 vbios

 

Just out of curiosity,Will the mxm version rtx 4000 work on the M6700?

 

No one has tried it yet, but it is likely that it will have the same issue that Pascal cards have, causing a lock-up at boot as the BIOS hands off to the OS.

 

Will it phisically fit being a bit wider than previous mxm cards?

 

Hadn't actually seen a picture of this yet, so I looked it up... It looks like this is HP's version of the RTX 4000:



Reminder of the M6700 layout:



Unfortunately, the way the card is oriented, I do not think that it would fit. There is basically no clearance between the "top" of the motherboard and the chassis and that is exactly where the extra bit of the card would be jutting out. The the extra width had been added to the opposite side then I think that it might have fit.

It may well fit in a M6800 which has a little bit of clearance on both sides of the card.

No idea why they made the card this way, it looks like there is clearance to move the RAM chips in and make it normal width. Maybe another vendor will make a standard-sized card. MXM is dying more and more with each passing generation, though...

 

Thanks for your help.
What is the rtx 4000 tdp?
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115W regular or 80W max-q

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Prema says that the RTX5000 has an 80W TDP, so I doubt the RTX4000 is more than 80W.
Using the RTX4000 in the M6700 would require to sand down a little but the card and/or mount it on the motherboard out of the bottom case and then fit both in the bottom case

 

doubt all you want, its fact

 

RTX 5000 might have 80W in some systems. It definitely works at 100W+ in the Precision 7740...

 

I am wondering if RTX4000/5000 would fit and work on HP 8770W..

 

It's strange, my M6700 is able to boot with desktop P4000 vbios, it just display nothing until windows lock screen, I'm using UEFI only oprom, no legacy oprom, it's even working better than before on my regular 24/7 P4000 dell mxm vbios, it totally eliminate the "2 minutes waiting time" at boot
Even if P4000 desktop are working, the boost is still limited to 1253MHz even if the default boost clock is stated at 1480MHz
So I think we don't really need a specific bios in order to boot on windows, I think we only need it to access the bios, if @RMSMajestic got his hand on a 1060 or 1070 we could try to directly boot on windows (it might still need a driver installed for it to work at all)

Bios tested so far :
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194484/194484
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/201976/201976

 

Brightness adjustment working or not?
I might try 1060 with Desktop 1060 vBIOS some time later. though I don't think there will be any luck for 1070.

 

Brightness adjustment is always working on my M6700, I have a regular eDP panel, which the GPU can communicate with no issues, while the PremierColor lcd is not a regular eDP panel, it is a 50pins display working with only 40pins effective out of the motherboard I think this is why you have issues with brightness adjustment, you should get a cheap 17.3" eDP 40pins display and a "3D cable" to check this out.
Brightness adjustment is working on the 86.04.2B.00.02 vbios, on the 86.04.67.00.03 it's not working, might not work for the other too, I did not checked if it was working on all vbios/desktop vbios
So far this is the result from the tested bios, keep in mind that any legacy oprom are disabled and only UEFI is enabled

The 214674 might work if I update my M6700 bios, I'm still on the A19 which is older than 214674 vbios, just saying.

If someone got an another P4000 vbios (86.04.A7.00.04 or 86.04.2E.00.0C), please share it

 

You are tempting me for getting a P4000 mxm, seriously!

 

But I think you will still get brightness adjustment issues if you keep the Premiercolor LCD and the performance is around an overclocked GTX980M

 

Problem is, the GTX 980m is such a power hungry card. And I have had 3 failed 980m already (maybe I've damaged the capacitors when soldering on the extra mosfet). with 1792 CUDA cores even locked at 1257Mhz 980m will be no match to it regardless of how much more it's overclocked. :/

And, if it's not the Premiercolor LCD, I might well just get a thinkpad P53 with RTX 5000 and 6 core processor and 128GB RAM capability

 

Yes for sure, the P4000 consumme about 65~70w.
Do someone know how to trick nvidia driver to install "desktop" drivers for a laptop card ? I know they are the same package but I believe it could be the only way to get the boost frequency working with thoses desktop vbios :/

 

As stated here, P5000 vbios works but it can't boost higher than the P4000 M6700 24/7 vbios : http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0b-alive-thread.795048/page-285#post-10976278
I looked at prema P5200 unlocked vbios and it seems like he made it by hand without adding support of UEFI which would not work on our M6700 unless we figure out a way to made vbios working before windows is booted

 

All cards supported in the package get the same driver (exact same nvlddmkm.sys file), just with some different settings set at install time. I rather doubt that a different driver will kick the speed up if there is a limit set in the vBIOS.

 

I tried P5000 vbios which GPU-Z says should boost up to 1500+MHz but I was stuck at 1252MHz, I even modified the P5000 vbios to match P4000 PCI ID but it change nothing.
Maybe nvidia drivers initialise the P4000 with a vbios that isn't on the card ? like windows using newer intel cpu microcode without requiring a bios update ?

 

If that were the case, wouldn't all P4000's not boost?
What does GPU-Z "PerfCap Reason" say when you are getting stuck at 1252? Could it be hitting the card's power limit?

 

The card isn't near it's power limit, look at the screenshot

 

@RMSMajestic If you are able to source a mxm GTX 1070 I can try to modify a P5000 vbios to make it work on the M6700 or M6800.
I don't think a GTX 1060 would work since all of 1060 mxm are GP106 and not GP104 like the P3000

 

How are you modifying the vbios?

Fwiw, I hard flashed the P5000 bios (the eng. sample one) to my 1070 and while it would boot, it would not initialize the card (Code 43)

 

Curious about this vBIOS mod. I was under the impression that starting with Pascal, the card is verifying a digital signature for the vBIOS at boot time, so the card would only take "official" vBIOS images from NVIDIA...?

 

I tried stock P5000 (the one for M6700) and slightly modified P5000 vbios (using hex editor, don't dream about a software that will make it automaticaly) and it work on my P4000, the card was running fine under windows except that it would not react as a P5000 with P5000 vbios, the P4000 with P5000 vbios ("modded" or stock) doesn't display DELL logo and/ or the bios at startup

 

I do have one! Let me know!

 

Do you know what is the Device ID of your 1070 ?

 

I can't remember. But I don't think it matters. can just cross flash gsync/non-g vBIOSes

 

Device ID is 10DE 1BE1. I just took apart my M6700 and don't want to put it back XD. Help appretiated!

 

vbios can't be modded, I never got a 1060 or a 1070 to try on the M6700, it should happen soon (I'm buying a dead Dell 1070 and trading some stuff for a dead 1060 as well) but I'm also thinking about selling the whole laptop because it's sleeping money, I use it so rarely and IIRC the last time I really game on it was like a year ago..

 

How can you cross flash gsync/non-gsync vbioses?
I end up with error 42 in device manager when I flash my 1BE1 gsync 1070 with 1BA1 non gsync vbios...

 

It might only work if the beginnign string is 4E 56 (That's saying, the vBIOS beginnign with 4E 56 might have a chance working, but the vBIOS not beginning with 4e 56 will almost definitely not work)

 

Thanks for this info!
Can you send me such a vBios version?

 

check my other post for the M17x R4 vBIOSes

 

Any updates on the p4000m? I have a hand full of mxm cards. I have a rtx quadro 3000, p4000 and some 880's and 980's. I just want to overclock my P4000 and get a little more out of it. as far as the rtx quadros, I cant seem to get it to work properly on any of my mxm pc's. Any help would be appreciated! I can post what I'm working on, if it helps.

 

Are you trying to use it on M6700? It works only with a certain vBIOS. I don't remember the details but I believe that @TheQuentincc had it working...

 

P3000, P4000 and P5000 works on M6700, however :
- Boost frequency are pretty low (for P3000 and P4000 it's below 1300MHz), only the P5000 have a decent boost clock
- You cannot overclock/underclock neither undervolt them
In term of gaming performance :
P3000 = 1050Ti +
P4000 = 1060 6GB
P5000 = 1070 8GB

P3000 and P4000 have a low power consumption (around 65W on the P4000) while the P5000 can eat around 110W

 

I'm using a zbook g2. But I have some ops motherboards and a "embedded" server motherboard that have mxm slots. Last night after I posted that, I was playing around with the unverified bios on techpowerup and found one with* 3x display ports in the description and flashed it successfully and now it works with my ops motherboard and embedded motherboard as a dedicated gpu. I'm running it water cooled with a old hp omen/blackbird mxm waterblock. As far as driver installation, I had to edit the .inf and install it as a 2070 max q because it wouldn't accept the quadro rtx 3000 driver on any bios. I'm not sure how to post pictures but the setup I use to flash is a little hanky. And would love to share.

 

And I do apologize for posting in the wrong thread, I didn't notice until now. My p4000 has a dell bios if that counts for anything.