WXGA+ all have bad Graininess?

After all my observations on this forum I've made a couple of conclusions.

-Obviously none of the anti glare screens have the graininess.
-The glossy WXGA doesn't seem to have a problem either.
-The WSXGA has minor graininess.
-And finally the WXGA+ (1440x900) has it the WORST. Every single owner of this display complains about a really bad silk screen effect.

So if anyone on the forum has a 1520 with WXGA+ with no graininess...speak up now because I'm getting worried.

 

yea that sounds about right

 

Well I am worried too. But I order the WXGA + on the 1420. Is that affected by the dreaded graininess too? Seems like more people receiving their 1520's now. I wish somebody with a 1420 with the WXGA + would post a review and pictures on the 1420 screen. Seems most of the 1420 reviews have not had this display. I really don't know if I should change my order (again) or just move on to something else. I was looking at the Sony CR but actually saw one at best buy and the reviews are correct on that. The CR's verticle viewing angles are horrible. You pretty much have to really adjust that display exactly or its really washed out.. Pretty amazing for a Sony display.. Actually its the worst Sony display I have ever seen. At this point the Dell 1420 and Sony CR are the only Red 14 inch models out. And that is one of the features that are important to me for some reason. The CR has no bluetooth or WXGA + option. Its a really pricey piece of garbage so I really don't know what else to get other the the 1420. Forget the M1330. I don't have patience to wait that long.. and the m1330 is reported to get much hotter then the 1420. I think that is one of the biggest pros on the Inspiron line.. low heat.

 

yes I heard the inspirons are good at keeping cool.

According to this thread, people with 1420s (WXGA+) do not have grainy screens so you may be in luck.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=143710&highlight=1420+graininess

 

I guess the fact that people are not posting complaints on the 1420 is a good thing. I guess customers that receive good working notebooks are less likely to post complaints about it. So the lack of 1420 posts is a good thing. I know some people thought the 1420's headphone jacks up front was a bad idea. But now I am thinking that different location may be why it does not have the dreaded head phone jack static. Man I wish they would hurry up and send it.

They said they would expedite and overnight. But I have a feeling it won't.. Probably they just say that. But I am hoping. I also don't care for something being in "build stage" for weeks on end.. I mean that is kind of misleading. To me build means they are assembling it. That obviously is not the case.

 

I know what you mean. I feel like my inspiron has been in build stage forever...

 

Wait a minute ... I ordered my Vostro 1500 with the wxga+ truelife screen ... does this mean I'm destined to join the disgruntled herd?? ?

 

not necessarily

 

Take a look at farelli09 link, http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=143710&highlight=1420+graininess Apparently, its not much of a issue on the 1420. At least from what users are saying on that thread. Most of the blunt of bad news is affecting the 1520.

 

I am starting to think this is a first generation problem. The D620 was the first Latitude with a wide screen display. I heard the WXGA+ models had major problems with grainy screens. Luckily the problem was fixed with the D630. I am starting to think Dell did not learn from their mistakes.

 

farelli - i think its the 1440X900 glossy on the 1520's that have it worst.

i conducted a poll asking about the 1420 and most owners of the glossy said they were happy with the screen.

 

exactly what I feared.

 

That's my take too. I just cancelled my order and am reordering with the 1280 x 800 glossy.

 

i'll post when i get it today. (sig)

 

this would be much easier a mystery to solve if everytime an owner of a NON GLOSSY screen didn't post saying "OMG I LOVE THE SCREEN, WHY IS EVERYONE COMPLAINING ABOUT GRAININESS?" HELLO, it's only the glossies!

perhaps we can narrow this down further and even more scientifically with a poll asking owners of both the 1420 1440X900 and the 1520 1440X900 if they have the graininess

 

Whats messed up is they push you back to the end of the line if you modify your order. But I can see why you want WXGA + on a 15" That seems like the best resolution for that screen size.. I am a bit worried that WXGA + on the 14" may be a bit small. From what users are reporting, you can return within 21 days without restocking fees. If that is true you should be ok.

 

yea wxga+ is perfect for a 15.4" display. there's nothing I can do now because god forbid you have to modify your order you have to cancel the entire thing.

 

thats my problem. ide change it to the anti-glare but i cant stand the 1280X800. i need the extra real estate.

im wondering if this can be fixed by a BIOS update as some have suggested in other threads?

 

the asus forum has a lot of threads pertaining to the graininess. they talked a lot about a bios update possibly fixing things.

 

im not too computer literate so i dont know what a BIOS update is. we could really narrow down the root of these problems and possible solutions if people would just participate in the damn polls.

 

I realize it's pointless generalizing when talking about resolutions and screen sizes, etc, but really, WXGA (1280*800) on a 14.1" is not that bad, whereas on a 15.4", IMO, everything just looks way too big.

However, I've read on this site (an article by Pulp) that for gaming and viewing dvd movies, WXGA, irrespective of screen size, is the way to go.

 

i have graininess .

but...i don't think its really bad. I've used the new imacs (the flat ones), and their screens are a wee bit worse than this.

I have an AUO screen.

shots taken with a 3MP digital camera

in person, the graininess really isn't that bad to me. I'm used to this sort of stuff. (its REALLY bad in some color cellphones) If you aren't looking for it, you probably won't find it, but i've been reading that some people are very sensitive.

to minimize camera noise, ISO50 was used, and manual focus was used to prevent focus from distorting picture.

 

yeah uhh... I can't see any grainyness but I do see a craptacular lense!

 

check the next buttons ... not all the pixels have the same color values

 

Here are the manufacturers web pages for notebook displays:

Samsung SEC

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/productList.do?upper_fmly_id=601&fmly_id=611

AU Optronics AUO

http://auo.com/auoDEV/products.php?sec=notebook&func=items&items_id=2&ls=en

Chi Mei CMO

http://www.cmo.com.tw/cmo/english/product/product_02.jsp
http://www.cmo.com.tw/opencms/cmo/products/notebook/?__locale=en


These pages don't tell if the screens are glossy (truelife) or not but the brightness is probably a clue. These numbers don't always match up with Dell service tag numbers.

I've been trying to figure out why the glossy screens have the graininess problem. It seems that glossy displays use a semi-transparent reflective film (like a 2 way mirror) that uses ambient light to boost brightness. This film is between the pixel plane and the backlight, near the "back" of the display. I'm thinking that this may somehow alter how light goes through the pixels, like looking at something through perscription glasses... but who knows. I initially thought it was some sort of coating but it does appear to be a film. What people may be seeing with their screens is a combination of effects. Some people are describing "dirty" displays which may be poor quality control when the TFT is attached to the Color Filter. Keep in mind this is all speculation... just trying to spur some discussion.

Also check out this maufacturing process flash movie from AUO (funky soundtrack too)

http://www.auo.com/auoDEV/content/technology/technology_tftprocess_popup_en.htm

 

my friend's lap actually has the graininess. it's worse than I thought...

also that high pitched sound was also going full blast without even putting head phones in. I fixed it instantly with rmclock.

 

so is this problem restricted to the 15/1420's only, I'm just wondering if my 1720 (1440x900) truelife is going to suffer the same problem

 

The graininess on my 1520's 1440x900 seemed worse than that of 1650x1050 I've seen in a store, so maybe that is a case. BTW, Apple MBP I saw, which uses 1440x900 screen, also suffer from graininess.

At first I thought I can live with it, but then I noticed my eyes are very tired after using this screen - which I suspect graininess and reflection (this thing is like a mirror) is culprit. Graininess is no issue when playing games, though.

 

I have the 1420 WXGA+. I don't have the grainy screen. Actually I was surprised how good the screen was. So far.
I feel for the people having trouble of any kind, Believe me I know what it's like.

 

My Vostro 1500 showed up today. Ordered 8/16 - shipped 8/19 - delivered 8/22.

I have the WXGA+ LG Philips panel. Looks great to me. No visible grain, acceptable backlight bleed.

 

I have WXGA+ and I have no graininess, or at least I don't notice any graininess. Personally I love my screen, the viewing angles are all around. I can see my laptop perfectly from close to 180 degrees. reflections are there but are so minimal even outside, mostly because my body ends up blocking it (no i am not fat ).

 

I forgot I even made this thread! well I can happily say that my wxga+ is great

 

mine is pretty grainy, but as mentioned before, while watching movies or playing games its unnoticeable.

 

So the 15.4" WXGA matte screen on the D830 is generally speaking safe?

-Tzale

 

yes, only glossy screens can possibly have the silk screen effect because of their higher resolution.