Waiting for news on the Dell AMD G5 SE

Anybody have any updates?
It looks to be almost the same chassis as the current G3 3590, maybe a little thicker since it has 4 vents in the pictures?
This will likely be my next laptop purchase to replace both my current G3 as well as my secondary desktop.

 

It's now available for order in U.S, Canada and Australia's website.
Note that there are 2 system builds that could affect storage installation options as well as battery size options.
If you choose to hv a 2.5" storage bay, there won't be a 2nd M2 slot for further upgrades...

...the battery size will shrunk as well to 51whr.

If you opt for 2 M2 installation system, there will be a M2 slot soldered in replacement to the connection for 2.5" storage(HDD/SSD)...

...the battery size will be beefed up to 68whr.

Notice the difference between the 2? Here's a better focus...

 

I Just ordered the G5 SE with the

• AMD Ryzen™ 7 4800H Mobile Processor with Radeon™ Graphics
• Windows 10 Pro 64-bit English
• 16GB, 2x8GB, DDR4, 3200MHz
• 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
• 15.6 inch FHD(1920x1080) 300nits WVA Anti-Glare LED Backlit Display(non-touch), 144Hz refresh rate
• AMD Radeon™ RX 5600M
• Standard Backlight Keyboard.

i will likely install 1-2 1tb NVME ssds I have in there 1 Samsung 1 intel. hence why I went with the Lower Cost 512GB Version.
Also it looks like in the tear down instruction they are using a previous gen system where it shows the battery with a 2.5"ssd you will notice on the spec sheet it only has 2x NVME:

that wouldn't be the first time I have seen them do that...

I should have mine June 15th

 

If base on your screenshot that your order supports 2 NVME storage, you should get a clarification on your battery size such that you can get your battery upgradable to 68whr.
The pictures above i got it from the Service Manual page.
https://www.dell.com/support/manual...8de7b7-879f-45a4-88e0-732155904029&lang=en-us

 

Yeah mine is from their spec sheet. as of right now they don't offer the larger battery i called and they couldn't choose it them selves my guess is they are reserving the larger battery for the more power hungry Intel System and the smaller one for the amd system not that big of a deal for me currently.

also looking at the 5500 (intel) Spec sheet its the intel version that has the Drive bay changes my guess is the 1650 has the 2.5" option the 1660 Doesn't if you look at the specs for the 5500 its basically 2 diffrent chassis:
https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/g-series-15-5500-laptop_setup-guide_en-us.pdf

 

Looking forward to the arrival and your 1st hand evaluation of the first all red blood AND Gaming machine from DELL!

 

I am looking forward to it as well. I'm hoping it is good one thing that worries me is apparently Per Hot Hardware(see snippet Below) Dell decided to use the USBC port in ALT Mode Meaning no USB over that port...im hoping they see the error in their ways and enable it as USBC is the future...we will see currently everything I have is either USB A ports or USBC on the device but came with 2 cables C to A and C to C. we will see what happens. either way this will be my Home driver my XPS will still be the Mobile computer I take everywhere. But if i need ethernet or gaming the G Series will come with me lol.

From Hot Hardware: A wide variety of ports flank both sides of the G5. On the left, we can find all sorts of ports. There's one each of Super Speed USB 3.2 Gen 1 port, HDMI 2.0, mini DisplayPort, Ethernet, charger input, and a USB Type-C connector. That USB Type-C connection only carries DisplayPort Alternate Mode video signals, not data. We do like the inclusion of a Type-A port, since so many brand new peripherals even today only come with the older form factor. Wired Ethernet is a good choice for online gaming, too.

 

USB-C charging is still an exclusive attraction on INTEL system. Even non-executive or non-gaming makes still get that...

 

Exclusive in which way? The G14 allows for USB charging, although it only supports 65w or something like that.

 

How many AMD systems hv u come across that features USB-c charging?
Yes, the Zephyrus latest release does hv that, how about the others? Can share some others u know?

 

My Lenovo A485 with a 2700u had usb-c charging. I don't keep a spreadsheet on all the laptops in the world that has it, so you'd have to do some legwork if you really want that question answered...

 

well my inspiron 7375 & my late 5485 (Sold it to make the budget work for this computer and the 5485 was worth more lol and the 7375 has a sentimental spot in my heart its the first 2in1 from dell i got with AMD all the way) 2in1 charged fine using USBC as long as they where not completely dead I only carry my 130W Acadaper for my XPS when traveling...and dells spec sheet for the 5505 does mention the usb c port is usb 3.2 gen 2 so i hope that means if they do have data turned off on it that they will turn it on at some point (Could have been an issue with the early test builds)

 

A-series? Had u missed out other business centered series as well? X,T,E AMD systems comes with USB-C charging as well...

Home user centered AMD base vs INTEL base
https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/IdeaPad/IdeaPad_5_15ARE05?M=81YQ0003US
https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/IdeaPad/IdeaPad_Flex_5_15IIL05?M=81X30000US

Hmmm... Non executive INTEL modelgets USB-C charging?

 

I don't understand what you're getting at. You said usb-c charging was limited to Intel. I provided examples where that wasn't the case and then you provide more examples? My point was simply that AMD laptops can and do support usb-c charging...

 

i think the thing is AMD till Now has been a budget option now its Budget & Performance I hope the next XPS 2in1 is AMD 100% i would likely get it if i can sell my current XPS 15.

 

What i was trying to deliver initially is that it's GENERALLY known to most, USBC charging design is found mostly in INTEL system, much more than AMD system* there are. When someone walks up to you asking for advice for a laptop not only portable, but also have that convenience of utilizing USBC charging... What's the first few you can GENERALLY think of? AMD have more option? Or INTEL have more option?
I myself as a follower from the RED CAMP will certainly give my best to suggest whatever i have in mind, and i believe others will do the same, even if they're from the Blue Camp. However, to GENERAL knowledge of current product development, most will agree that USBC charging is one of the attraction in INTEL system more than AMD do.

Just in case you've missed, the 2 link i provided clearly shows the "bias" design between AMD and INTEL system of the same product of the same series of the same line.
*And incase if you've noticed, USBC charging is "common" in the business product range than GENERAL home product range.

 

I've never thought about Intel vs AMD when it comes to USB-C charging. It's all model based. There aren't many AMD laptops out there at all, let alone mid tier ones that would support USB-C charging. Almost all Dell inspiron laptops support it though, I'd venture to say their AMD variants would as well... It's something I would research though. The reason I know about the G14 offering it is the fact that it's the only gaming oriented laptop I know of that does so.

*on edit*
A quick search shows the following from dell with AMD and USB-C charging:
Inspiron 5585
Inspiron 5485
Inspiron 7405

So every AMD dell Inspiron.

 

perhaps a much easier way to identify which models from DELL supports USB-C charging... is by looking at charger's compatibility list...
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...us-45w/apd/492-bbwz/pc-accessories#polaris-pd

 

Right, but I don't know what models have AMD cpus so I had to look that up. The end state is it doesn't matter if it's AMD or Intel, you need to look and see if it supports USB-C charging. It's not mutually exclusive to Intel.

 

Good News i have a tracking Number!!!! 2-3 weeks early !!! but no activity yet...

 

Here a review of the DELL AMD G5 SE



For the price its hard to beat and it make me wanna join team red. AMD is really killing it this year!

 

I hope that it sells well and next year when AMD Releases the Zen3 Based Mobile processors and the 2ndgen Navi mobile that it will be in the XPS Line and show that Blue and green dont Mix Red and Red does!!!! it does suck that it is plastic but i will live with it and will enjoy it. My XPS will still be my portable machine that travels the most but the 5505 will be my Daily driver at home. plan on putting 2x16GB sticks @3200 CL 16 from crucial in it and it will get a Spare intel 1TB 660p ssd and a 1TB 970evo as well. unless the ssd that comes in computer is faster than the 970 evo may the fastest ssd win lol...

 

As per usual... Review units gets the best stuff...
Here the battery is fatter.

Integrated Graphic Vega 7 tested!
https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-vega-7-performance-in-dell-g5-15-se

 

I hope their website is wrong and in the R7 they are sending the fatter battery but it appears I'm getting the smaller one but can upgrade it at a later date in theory...
FEDEX get me my package lol...they still waiting on receiving the package...my guess is its still in transit from China/Taiwan or where ever its made lol...
Also funny its going to come from Chicago per FedEx and not the Lebanon(Nashville, TN) Facility like 99% of my new purchases do from Dell.

 

As much as i wouldn't want to burst your bubble of anxiety and joy...
I've been monitoring on DELL N.America sites since their 1st day of product listings... nope, nada, no no option for battery upgrades.

 

Normally review units uses better specs that customers cant get until a bit later.

Even with a 51wh battery you'll still get at least 4 hours or more of battery life.

 

Eluktronik's Matrix RP15 with 4800H+RTX2060+46whr combo...

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Elukt...zen-7-4800H-Impresses-Yet-Again.466470.0.html
I wonder what wattage does the RTX2060 draws that manage this Ryzen+Nvidia RTX combo to score 3.5hrs approximate use in non gaming mode?​

 

yeah well great News Mine ACTUALLY Shipped!!! and appears with the AMD+AMD setup you can disable the GPU on battery so that is great and maybe i could limit the CPU to act like the 4800U lol Joking it appears to sip power so long as you don't push it hard lol.

I should have it Wednesday will be adding my intel 660P as a secondary drive after i tinker for a few mins lol...then in a few weeks will likely upgrade to 32GB 3200MHz from Crucial: BALLISTIX
DDR4 PC4-25600 • CL=16 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR4-3200 • 1.35V • 2048Meg x 64 •
I have Respect for that ram lol CL16 @ 3200MHz vs CL=22 for standard ram
https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/dell/dell-g5-5505

 

Curious how that Crucial memory will work with the G5 SE. I did not have much luck with Micron memory (DDR4-3200 CL20) with the Clevo NH58AF1, although that is desktop Zen2 and B450 so maybe different compatibility with regards to AGESA versions. Do these Renoir processors need JEDEC timings, or do they work fine using XMP profiles meant for Intel systems?

 

not sure how it handles highspeed ram i am assuming these are true 3200MHz and not 2100 that runs at 3200 OC otherwise i would go with the standard modules with the CL22 EWW lol i guess i can look at what others have but i normally only buy from crucial as i have never had an issue with their memory. only ever left crucual due to RGB LOL(My main rig) which the water cooler malfunctioned on so went with the NH-D15 so you dont even see them any more lol.

EDIT: Dang...Looked on newegg sure enough it requires XMP to get up to speed so will have to check Bios to see if dell Supports XMP my guess will be a no they likely reserve that for Alienware. memory advertising is close to bait and switch in my opinion they should BE REQUIRED to call it what ever its native speed is 2667 MHz in this case then say XMP Profile 1 3200MHz so we know what we are buying.

 

I think we will know more once you get your machine and see what the stock ram is. Dell does have 16GB sticks on their own site listed as compatible, but for $180 each!

 

If you decide to upgrade the RAM later down the line in your DELL G5 15 5505, make sure to get 3200MhZ version with very low latencies. I know that 3200 SO-DIMM DDR4 from OEM's usually comes with very loose/high latencies, however for upgrading the RAM, you WILL be able to get a low latency version.
Also, your DELL G5 15 5505 should come with 3200MhZ version (I don't think it runs overclocked to 3200MhZ, but comes from factory set to 3200MhZ).

Amazon.com does sell Crucial Balistix 32GB (2 x 16GB), 3200 MhZ SO-DIMM DDR-4 CL16 for $160 (which seems like a good price).
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ball...-dimm+ddr4+3200Mhz+cl16&qid=1591130123&sr=8-2

They also have 2 x 8GB version with same (CL16) latencies for $80, but seeing how the DELL already comes with 16GB, I don't think low latencies and same RAM size are worth the $80 (I'd personally just spend more on DOUBLE the RAM and low latencies instead when you're ready to upgrade).

I'm only mentioning lower latencies because the CPU/iGP would work a lot better with lower latencies than with much higher ones (then again, it also depends on which latencies you will get with your RAM).

Also, it might be worthwhile to investigate the possibility of repasting the CPU/APU and GPU with GC Gelid Extreme or Kryonaut when you get the unit (despite initial benchmarks seemingly putting the temps in a relatively 'acceptable' range).

Dell has a bad track record with thermal paste applications (especially in G5 units), and when they tested the 4900H in the same unit it scored much lower than what it should have (though this could have been a result of BOTH inadequate cooling capacity for 4900H and improper thermal paste application - and it wouldn't be a wonder to see 5600M suffer because of this oversight as well and could also inhibit somewhat 4800H).

 

I have the Noctua NT-H2 that i use for thermal paste i just repasted my XPS and now wondering what took me so long lol...the CPU and GPU dropped 10-15C and the paste was rock hard and not thin at all. i will likely run Folding @ Home on it to see what it stresses at compared to how it ran before as it seems F@H is a good stress lol and does good, and is a ~12 hr stress test on that Vega card.

on the G5 i plan on maxing out the memory @ 32 GB @3200 MHz but will wait to see what it can do and for more sodimm options to come out. And will stress test it then do a paste swap then redo the same tests and see what i get. i am excited to get it tomorrow.

 

Well... I won't deny, I had tuned myself to believe that Ryzen Gen3 4000CPUs requires 3200mhz RAMs to work well. Although those low power U-variants may still work with 2666mhz types smoothly.

 

The only jedec approved kit is the slow micron 3200cl22-kit. Later this year a faster smsung jedec 3200cl18ish kit is rumored to launch. There are many other kits that are faster, but they are xmp. The Crucial ballistix 3200cl16-sodimm is one, but it uses xmp and 1.35V so WO possibility to tune ram in bios/ryzen master it will probably run 2666cl16 :/

 

Well Guess what i have in my little Paws!!! running PCMark 10 now that its updated driver and bios wise...then teardown time lol...

PCmark10 free edition: https://www.3dmark.com/pcm10/47437229
User Benchmark on the INTG GPU: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/28955633
i need to tinker some as it appears it none are running on the Discrete card...
so installing my SSDS PM981 1TB and Intel 660P 1TB
Here is the memory it came with 2x identical sticks

and here is the inside

it stinks that they didnt include the heatsinks/spreaders for fullsize ssds but i will find something...

 

Keep at it.
See if there may be a switch in the drivers which may be keeping the dGPU off (I think there IS a switch like that - or at least there should be in the DELL provided drivers).
If you are upgrading drivers, it may be worthwhile to express upgrade the drivers ON TOP of the DELL pre-installed ones - seeing how this should retain most/all of the functionality in case the AMD stock drivers from their own website may be missing a few things - though if they have mobile drivers for this, then nothing should be missing.

 

I am i am starting fresh now and will see what the fresh install brings as i wanted a bigger ssd but didn't want to pay the dell tax AGAIN...that 1 TB Samsung came in my XPS initially

 

Just a little different from what i had found... but basically, the M2 slot location is the same!

 

yep i can confirm 3dmark isnt hsppy with this config lol wont validate due to being too New, but it is very respectable.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/47447782?
when you have 2x, x4 NVME SSDs it appears to have Dual x4 3.0 connections per HWINFO did not test sata m.2s
i can also confirm the LCD is a BOE084A from week 1 2018 per HWINFO
hwinfo detects this as a 5700 but only difference apprears to me memory amount and bandwidth. GPUZ detects it all correctly so far im happy with it only complaint i have so far is lack of touch screen option

 

Hmmm... It seems HWInfo doesn't have the exact database of HardWare IDs...

 

Can't watch this yet but should be good info for those interested in purchasing:

 

Finally... A true no bulls assessment on a retail unit! And the uncover of base that shows us what Dell gives, and don't gives!

 

I would certainly choose this over any of the Asus Renoir models. Now, its a pretty hard comparison between the 110W 2060 in the Tongfang 15 / 17 Renoir laptops, but I suppose anyone wanting a pure AMD laptop can live with the slower GPU. At least it is not equipped with a nose cam!

We should get Stephen to tell us the part number on the full-size heatsink plates so folks can order them from Dell Spare Parts if they did not get them with their config.

 

I can Confirm Running Folding @ home the cpu spikes up to 101C on the CPU and 90 on the 5600. i will be replacing the thermal paste this weekend and see what happens

 

I was just about to ask you to see if you got the repasting done yet (obviously not).
Please do so, and re-run the tests to see if anything changes.

Dell's execution of cooling is worrying here because they might not be giving the GPU or CPU a chance to show just how potent they can be.
It could also explain the 4900H abysmal results when DELL tried it (basically, inadequate cooling capacity with questionable thermal paste application).
In Intel versions its relatively simple to undervolt, but we can't do that with AMD's Renoir (at least not that I'm aware of).
It 'may' be possible to enable Wattman in drivers using MSI afterburner and see if it gives you the option of undervolting the GPU at least... but that usually worked on the desktop replacements with AMD gpu's thus far (RX 580 and Vega 56)... not actual mobile gpu chips.

 

The advantage of what Asus gets on their Zephyrus range, are the lower tdp wattage yet maintaining same clock rate CPUs that ensures owners having longer road trip with their G14/15 in comparison to other makes in the market... currently.

 

Can you check if undervolting in afterburner is possible? That could massively improve thermals on both cpu and gpu since HP are shared.

 

This would be good indeed if possible along with doing a clean application of quality thermal paste.

This would be good indeed if possible along with doing a clean application of quality thermal paste.

However, it was supposed to be Dell's job to provide proper cooling assembly and quality thermal paste application

 

He mentioned FreeSync wasn't working, but I suggested he could try using CRU software to get that up and running if he did a clean install of latest drivers (and relaid our experience with Acer Helios 500 and GL702ZC), after which he confirmed it worked and Freesync was active (which confirms the display in DELL is Freesync capable).