gave back my gigabyte aero 15 what shall i get? dell xps 9560?

hello so i went on the dell website and there is no option to buy the dell xps 9560 4k version why is this?

 

Unless you are willing to mod the cooling on the VRMs, skip the XPS 15. Maybe take a look at the UX550.

 

Can I ask why you gave up the aero? Only thing bad that I heard about it was something about the keyboard.

 

I would go xps 100 percent.

 

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well the laptop I loved, I gave it back because it has bluetooth issues, it kept disappearing even after reinstalling windows....currently. have a MacBook Pro that I bought but now I might buy the dell xps and see what is best option...so far loving dell eps look but haven't go tit yet

 

has it got backlight bleed?
what is the sound like?
does the screen flicker

or have those issues been resolved

 

are you saying the cooling is bad?

 

The cooling simply doesn't exist on the VRMs. They reach 120*C and the components throttle. Hence why you need to mod the cooling

 

so your saying every person who has bought the eps had to mod the cooling system

 

Any person who wants a CPU that runs at 3GHz. By default, under load, the CPU runs at 1GHz. Most people simply don't notice because this is not a gaming/workstation device - it's a luxury device which people buy for facebook.

 

I am actually buying it for work, study...not for gaming.....I found one on amazon for 1699 pounds

the 4k version

 

Define work. If you mean heavy CPU/GPU load - it's not suitable.

 

Stay with the macbook pro unless its a really old year. Its not worth the sidegrade to get a xps.

 

I basically bought the macbook pro 2017 yesterday

Was considering ehcnaging it for the dell xps if its worth the hasslw

 

I have used one for about 30 min. It never had any of those issues. It was the touchscreen top spec model. I love that computer.

 

Those issues exist and are the reason many outlets have articles on the subject as well as many forum threads being started. Here are just a few
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/5zwxiz/how_to_fix_throttling_on_the_dell_xps_15_9560/
http://www.ultrabookreview.com/14875-fix-throttling-xps-15/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/4zajkk/dell_xps_9550_thermal_padding_mod_update/

 

I recently bought one of those for a family member and its fantastic. I wouldn't see any reason to go for the xps unless you really need that gimped 1050 gpu.

 

So no issues getting a macbook pro that overheats vs an xps that overheats?

 

Facebook isn't demanding enough to make a mac heat that much.

 

No thanks on the MacBook. Save 7-800 bucks and have a better device. Having upgradability and touchscreen is reason enough to run from macbooks right now.

 

The XPS 15 is also a pretty expensive device and it also has issues as demonstrated above

 

Again, it's still 7-800 dollars cheaper than a similarly equipped MacBook pro (which has problems of it's own), plus the xps 15 has many more features that make it better. The xps is expensive, but the MacBook pro is way more "expensiver" ha ha.

 

There is a reason for that. The MBP has a better screen, better battery performance, a VASTLY superior trackpad and a 16:10 aspect ration (some people need that for photoshop)

 

NOPE. disagree, screen on the xps is better, plus touchscreen...you can upgrade the dell, trackpad that's personal preference, screen ratio again is personal preference. Apples to apples, there is no reason for the MacBook to be 7-800 dollars more expensive, other than it's an apple. The xps is the VASTLY better computer.

 

I like my XPS touchpad much better than my wife's MBP. The 4k screen on the XPS is also better than hers IMHO.

 

Regardless of personal thought, the brightness, backlight control and colour accuracy and calibration are all better on the MBPs

The XPS 15 uses PWM to control bightness, MBP does not.
The XPS 15 has around 350 nits peak brightness, MBP is closer to 550
The XPS has a contrast value of 1000:1. MBP is 1200:1
Default XPS 15 Delta E values are 4-5 (too high for colour accurate work, you need it lower than 3). MBP is 0.8

So no, out of the box, the MBP has an objectively superior display.

(All values come from NBC)

 

A vastly superior computer that can't hold CPU clockspeed above 1.4GHz without reaching 120*C on the mosfets. Don't get me wrong, the XPS 15 is a good device, provided you mod the cooling, but there is a good reason it's 700$ cheaper. It's not as good as a MBP for a digital arts professional or musician.

EDIT: Also battery. the 4K XPS 15 lasts for about 7:20 on a single charge vs 8:30 on the MBP. That's not a small difference.

 

I love throwing specs around even though in the end state to me the 4k looks much better. Where are your touchpad facts as well? I can tell you're pretty biased toward the MBP considering you are willing to point out the thermal issues with the XPS but then praise the MBP.
I've been far less than impressed with my experience with my wife's MPB. Her itunes has corrupted itself multiple times, the OS seems nice but it's a total pain to have to dual boot into windows to use the software she needs, and I think of how cool of a laptop I could have got for the price of hers...

 

Where have I praised the MBP, exactly? Both are thermally limited but the MBP holds higher clocks than the XPS 15 under a sustained load. The problem with the XPS is not the components being hot, it's the power delivery ramping up to insane temperatures because there is no heatsink whatsoever on them. This has happened for 2 generations in a row and it's a glaring design flaw. Hence why I stopped recommending it. Most users who have 2000$ to burn on a luxury device are, usually, not savvy enough to understand basic things, let alone how to fix their 2000$ machine's design flaws. You know how to do that and have fixed, good. But many won't and many will have issues and feel cheated afterwards. Funnily enough, I don't recommend the MBP 15 either. Only to people who REALLY want the highest end screen possible. What I usually recommend is the ZenBook UX550. It's cheaper than the XPS 15 by about 500$, has no problem keeping clockspeeds at base under heavy CPU load (save for stress tests but torture testing these machines is not a good idea) and also has a large 8-cell battery. Screen is about the same as the XPS 15 and the trackpad is similar to the one on the 9560 (the 9550 uses Elan drivers and can go to hell)

 

Does the MBP really hold higher clock speeds than the XPS? The wife's machine throttles faster than any XPS I've owned (6 or so). You may not recommend the MBP but you never brought up the fact that the MBP has thermal issues too. In my opinion both the XPS and the MBP have some serious throttling issues that the average user wouldn't notice because ignorance is a bliss.

 

As far as I remember, the top spec model from the LTT video held 3GHz clocks under Aida64. Sure, at 95-99*C but clockspeeds were high. Meanwhile, the XPS 15 drops to 1.4GHz when the fets reach 120*C. Hence why I say both are bad but by default the XPS has it worse.

 

The only time VRM temps were an issue for me on my XPS was when running Realbench (CPU + GPU workload). I could run Prime95 all day with stock everything and only see a couple hundred mhz of CPU throttling but temps never went above 80C. With an undervolt and repaste temps never went above 62C in prime95 at 3ghz...

What workload were you using on the mac? If it was only CPU intensive I would say the mac is no better than the XPS.

 

CPU + FPU stress test in Aida64 I believe is what they used on the 3.8GHz 6820HQ and that throttled to 3.1GHz around 95*C. Also, the current 7700HQ MBP can actually hold 2.4GHz in a P95 + Furmark stress test with thermals around 89*C. GPU does downclock a bit, though. If stressing only the CPU then it holds 3.4GHz without issue.

 

I can only comment on my 9550 running furmark and Prime95 together. The GPU underclocked to 850mhz or so and the cpu ran at 2.4ghz instead of 2.8ghz (6300hq). Not bad considering the 555 is equivalent to a GTX 1030...

 

Yes, the 555 is a lower-end card but it's a 20W GPU and is as fast as last gen's 70W 960M

But yeah, the i5 in the XPS runs similarly hot under a P95 + Furmark test as NBC's MBP15 base model. Thing is, after an hour of P95 I imagine your CPU clocks will drop due to VRM heat - something that isn't really an issue on the MBP. (Of course, once you add pads and repaste, then the story becomes similar to the MBP with somewhat lower component temps)

 

Yeah I never ran longer than 20 minutes with prime 95 and furmark so I'm not sure what VRM issues I could have had there. With prime95 alone I ran 24 hours without any issues with the VRM (even totally stock without undervolt) on both my 9550 and 9560.
Also the 555 is not really equivalent to the 960m. It does pretty well based on some benchmarks but falls behind in games from what I've seen.

 

It is, though. Because it's mainly used for professional use (let's face it, gaming on such a GPU is not really why people buy the MBP or XPS). In optimized applications like Final Cut - it crushes even the 970M because of how well Apple handles OpenCL.

 

So why compare a professional card to a gaming card just to say it crushes it in professional applications? Compare it to the professional nvidia card in the Precision variant of the XPS...

 

Because it still crushes it. Dave2D tested it IIRC. Final Cut is INSANELY well-optimized. You have to give Apple that, their software is really well-made and bug-free for the most part. The same applies to basic desktop cards. The R9 290X still matches the Titan XP in Sony Vegas OpenCL renders. (A well optimized OpenCL application - it's not as good as Adobe Premier but it is a lot more stable). AMD cards have always had tons of compute performance that doesn't translate well into gaming. Look at Vega64. It's not a good gaming card, the Vega is better but not great. Meanwhile, they're unbeatable in GPGPU applications.

 

Ahh so really we're no longer discussing the merits of why a MBP is better than an XPS, it's more of a AMD>Nvidia in specific applications and final cut>whatever is on PC for video editing. I'm glad that AMD has something ahead of Nvidia, but that's not really the point of the convo we were having about thermals in the XPS vs the MBP. I can't comment on final cut as I've never done any video editing, but I've heard apple has an advantage in the music/video production world.
I suppose our playful banter back and forth is over since we've diverged from the whole the MBP>XPS talk.

 

I was merely answering the question at hand. Fundamentally, I believe both machines are geared towards different use cases and different users. The main attraction of the XPS is MacBook-like features at a lower price and the smaller footprint despite the 15.6" display.

 

I recommend the xps for windows 10 alone. MacOS is a mess. that alone is worth the 7-800 dollars savings. And most people won't see throttling issues...only benchmarkers. There are various videos out there where the xps 15 is put against the touchbar MacBook pro video editing and the xps is much faster. Please leave bencharking for the geek bench...not real useage.

 

Anyone who wants optimal performance from the components inside any of these machines will be the disappointed but without the VRM cooling mod, XPS users more so than MBP users. (As evident by thermals and clockspeeds shown above). And sorry but you're not being objective. As someone who uses Windows 10 - it's an objectively worse OS. MacOS has much better stability, better support and resource optimization. The savings are precisely because you have to rely on Windows 10 - which is still in Beta judging by the random issues I and many others are experiencing even 2 years down the line.

 

Again, THE XPS is FASTER, CHEAPER, and HAS A BETTER OS. There are no other ways to view this. I am...I OWN a MacBook, as well as various windows deivces. Windows 10 is a much better, easier to use OS. MacOS is all over the place.

 

As someone who has been using Windows 10 for years, I strongly disagree. And the fact that articles such as this exist is why I disagree. Users shouldn't have to disassemble a brand new 2000$ laptop so as to get it to run above 1GHz. Sorry but this has been going for a 3rd year in a row. It needs to be addressed because it is a fundamental design flaw.
http://www.ultrabookreview.com/14875-fix-throttling-xps-15/

Again, it's cheaper for a reason.

 

Again,

That is benchmark'ers and people trying to push the device beyond it's limits. USING the device AS INTENDED.......There is NO ISSUE. MACBOOK PROS have the EXACT same issues. Which are not really issues. However, the xps is much faster doing video and photo editing, it's hundreds and hundreds of dollars less, and can be upgraded if need be unlike the MacBook. Also, you don't have to learn finger gymnastics using windows 10 as well. I have been using windows 10 since it was released, and 8 before that, and all the way back to 3.11. I have used OSX from 6 on.....and windows has ALWAYS been the easier more user friendly OS. Again. It seems as if someone is a mac fanboy here. and NO...it is cheaper because it does not have the apple logo on it, simple. The hardware inside the dell xps 15 is better than a similarly priced apple....and YES I own many Apple products!

 

You're the only one acting irrationally here, sorry but the XPS 15 is also priced way beyond what the hardware is worth. We have 7700HQ + 1050 laptops for 800$. Does that mean the XPS 15 is overpriced by 1200$? No. Is there a reason Apple charge more than the XPS 15? Yes, because they've been able to beat it on several fronts - notably battery life, screen quality, software and touchpad. Whether that is worth 700$ is up to the individual but as we've seen, the MBP 15 2017 is able to hold reasonable clockspeeds in a torture test, albeit with high temperatures. The XPS 15 fails to hold normal clockspeeds in simple applications such as GTA V which doesn't tax the CPU beyond 40% yet, as we see here, it still overheats and throttles because the VRMs reach insane temps.


Live in denial all you want but the XPS 15 has had this issues for over 2 years now. That is unacceptable. It should have been corrected with the refresh yet it wasn't. That is not acceptable. This is the only modern laptop on the market to have overheating VRMs. Think of that, the 2000$ XPS 15 has worse cooling than a 800$ basic media machine. And that prevents it from delivering even half the performance it should. Again, users paying 4 figure sums should NOT have to modify the cooling of their device.

 

Sorry again, screen is not better on the apple, touch pad is a personal thing....Windows 10, xps has mac beat on speed as well as having touchscreen etc...please...you are not correct. A half dozen of my friends all have xps 15s, and they have no issues like you are talking about. what about the crappy battery life from the MacBook 15? that's a real problem. The only one in denial is you...

 

According to NoteBookCheck, the XPS 15 lasts for 7 hours on battery while browsing the web whereas the MBP lasts for 8 hours. Please, if you're going to be irrational, at least don't make up random stuff. Though I guess by your logic, a 1GHz 7700HQ is faster than a 2.5GHz 7700HQ so I guess I should be expecting opposite land-like answers.

 

Consumer reports got really crappy battery life, as well as others USING The MacBook. NOT notebookcheck who probably got paid off by apple to give it a good review. So, using YOUR logic, as long as the reviews and what not are against the XPS they are correct, if they are stating the xps is better they are false. Got it...sorta sounds like the orange messiah running the US at the moment. BOTH OF WHICH ARE TOTALLY WRONG. AGAIN....The xps codes video, edits photos etc faster than the new MacBook pro 15 by a good margin (so W.G.A.F. if it does throttle really since it's still much faster than the MacBook pro)....it's monitor is much better, it has touchscreen which is a total plus, the device is several hundred dollars cheaper, it's user upgradeable and does not cater to the starbucks crowd.....Please tell me again how the MacBook pro is better? IT'S NOT.

I will just leave this video proving what I am saying here. Thanks...the XPS handily out performs the MacBook BRO 15.