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    tax!?!

    Discussion in 'Dell' started by LoudFox, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. LoudFox

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    Did anybody else get taxed by Dell? I'm looking at $75 tax on my order. Plus they overtaxed me $0.02! I'm pretty sure Dell is not located in Minnesota.
     
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    i got taxed $66
     
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    I paid like 100$ in tax... yeah it sucks.
     
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    yup, $65...
     
  5. LoudFox

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    wth I thought online tax only applied if you purchased it from the state it ships from. This is bs.
     
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    around $98....
     
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    Malaysia isnt inside the US buddy
     
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    i think they tax all states well except the ones w/o sales tax because they probalby have an office of some type in every state.

    ~around 40 for me. well theres always Montana, Delaware, Alaska, New Hampshire
     
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    It's 6.25% tax in Illinois.
     
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    Sales Tax: $161.12

    sucks doesn't it
    8.93%
     
  11. lordofericstan

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    around 90 bucks for me, and my system was below 1100 before taxes.

    I believe you get taxed if dell has any sort of store or production anywhere in your state.
     
  12. LoudFox

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    Is their factory in Malaysia?

    Anyone think if I called them they'ed cover my tax?
     
  13. PowerEdge

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    Dell has kiosks all over. Plus, I think the sales-tax moratorium ended for online sales a long while back.
     
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    You guys are lucky you aren't in Canada... 14%.
     
  15. lordofericstan

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    I dont care, i'm still pissed at you canadians.
     
  16. arch

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    Any state there is a Dell kiosk, service center, or retail facility or authorized reseller/dealer they can collect the sales tax rate for that state. Also any state in which Dell may be incorporated in, they may also collect sales tax.

    With the business these computer companies do all over the US, Im sure the government has no problem fully authorizing them to collect taxes anywhere thier product is sold in the US. I dont mind, I love the USA and everything Ive accomplished and acquired here is because its the USA. I'll never complain about taxes as long as Im free, I can enjoy my lifestyle, and all the other great things this country offers our citizens.
     
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    You sure ur talkin about the USA.. and not Canada.. Cause we do have the Patriot Act
     
  18. LoudFox

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    I'm glad to see someone who enjoys all the "perks" of being a US citizen. I only have a 6.5% tax which seems to be a bit below average but it still bothers me a little. We work hard, pay more taxes when we want to spend our hard earned money, and most of the benefits go to those who don't work as hard, or pay the majority of taxes.
     
  19. lordofericstan

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    i see this thread getting way out of hand and people spitting out regurgitated pieces of information that they clearly have no idea what they are talking about, be it redneck right wingers or hippie left wingers.
     
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    cali tax 8.75%. i really dono why, our public schools are the worst in the country.
     
  21. LoudFox

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    I'm not a big fan of the Patriot Act(or its connotation that its patriotic somehow) but it's really not that bad. Too bad our sales tax is going to a company who has people in Malaysia doing all the work. I have a problem with that.
     
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    sup oregon 0.0%
     
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    One of the many perks of living in Cali, hunh? lol. I haven't been there but the weather must make it worth it or something.
     
  24. LoudFox

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    How are your income and property taxes?
     
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    Mainly because of Prop 13. Which in summary = property tax = 1% of the value you purchased the property. Any increase in property value can't be taxable unless you 1) sell your property or 2) i think renovate it.
     
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    :( ownd :(
     
  27. arch

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    Patriot Act didnt stop me from making $296k in real estate commissions and bonuses so far this tax year. So yeah, I love the USA and our economy and dont mind paying taxes to keep it going well.
     
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    I assure you Im a professional in my fields of study and career, with conservative beliefs and plenty of business experience to know a little bit about anything I take the time to explain.
     
  29. Ice-Tea

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    Stop whining. VAT over here: 21%
     
  30. Leon2245

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    This is correct.
     
  31. dc74

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    That's only if you're in Ontario (8% PST + 6% GST), NF, NB or NS (14% HST). Albertans only pay 6% GST , no PST. If you're in PEI, it's 16% (10% PST + 6% GST).
     
  32. acgarib

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    I got taxed $0. :cool: I live in Delaware, home of tax free shopping! :D

    They find ways to make it up though, like higher gasoline prices (regular is $21 per gallon) , an air tax (2 cents per breath), a hair tax ($1 per inch of hair per month), sunshine tax (if you want your grass to grow, you'd better cough up that $50 per month), etc.......JK :p

    But seriously, Delaware's taxes as a whole are pretty low... at least they are now. The governor is in the process of raising just about every tax there is right now.
     
  33. d94

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    dell kiosk somewhere in your state
    6% for me..$95 in tax
     
  34. Topspin14m

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    Get used to paying sales tax...

    http://www.boston.com/business/glob...nline_sales_tax_a_priority_for_states?mode=PF

    Online sales tax a priority for states-
    Simpler rules could expedite collections

    By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff | July 16, 2007

    Every year, Americans save billions in sales taxes by buying merchandise on the Internet rather than at retail stores. But state and federal legislators are working together to close the loophole and generate billions in new revenues for state coffers.

    GOP Senator Mike Enzi of Wyoming has proposed legislation that would encourage states to adopt a simplified sales tax code drawn up by a consortium of 45 state governments.

    Under the Enzi bill, states that embrace the simplified code could compel out-of-state companies to collect sales taxes when they sell to residents within their borders. This would let states cash in on taxes they often miss when a citizen buys an item by phone, through a catalog, or over the Internet.

    According to a 2004 study from the University of Tennessee, between $21.5 billion and $33.7 billion in sales tax revenue will be lost to the states in 2008 if they don't collect taxes from online sales.

    "States are being harmed by missing out on this revenue," said Enzi's spokeswoman, Elly Pickett -- especially a state like Wyoming, which has no income tax and relies mainly on sales taxes for revenue.

    A resident of Massachusetts who buys a computer from a local retailer is charged the state sales tax of 5 percent, or $50 on a $1,000 computer. If the consumer buys the machine online from an out-of-state company, he's still legally obligated to pay the tax. But hardly any citizen pays unless the retailer collects, and most out-of-state retailers don't, thanks to a pair of US Supreme Court rulings.

    The high court held that states can't demand sales taxes from out-of-state retailers who sell through printed catalogs, by phone, or over Internet unless the retailer has a physical presence in the state. The court also said Congress could pass legislation to require out-of-state sellers to collect the taxes.

    There are about 7,500 state and local bodies that charge sales taxes, spread across 45 states; five others do not charge sales taxes. Not only do these taxing bodies set different rates, but many states have complex rules about which items are taxable. For instance, in Massachusetts band uniforms are tax-exempt, but football uniforms are not. Similar distinctions exist throughout the country. A law ordering retailers to comply with so many different rules would result in a bookkeeping nightmare.

    But state governments want to start collecting the revenue they're losing. So for the past seven years, state tax officials have worked to draw up a simplified sales tax system. Twenty-two states have committed to adopting the system, and 15 have already changed their tax laws to comply with it.

    Under Enzi's bill, any state that has adopted the simplified system could order Internet retailers to collect sales taxes when they sell to consumers in those states.

    Massachusetts State Senator Richard Moore, a Worcester Democrat, has proposed legislation that would begin the process of moving Massachusetts to the simplified system. If Massachusetts joins that system, and Enzi's bill passes in Washington, Moore estimates that the state's sales tax revenues would increase in 2008 by about $350 million.

    Moore said the current system puts brick-and-mortar retail stores at an unfair disadvantage. Customers often shop at a store, but make their purchases online to avoid the sales tax. "The business has spent all the time and energy on the sale, and then [they] don't get the sale," Moore said.

    But opponents say collecting sales taxes on the Internet could stifle the growth of online commerce and weaken the economy.

    "We would view it as a real burden on the growth of companies and of the Internet," said Mark Micali, vice president of government affairs at the Direct Marketing Association in Washington.

    Hiawatha Bray can be reached at [email protected].
     
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    Good thing I live in NH ;)
     
  36. DoubleBlack

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    The correct terminology is anywhere the organization has a point of presence in the state it is being shipped to, is obligated to charge sales tax. Point of presence can be defined as any point of purchase, factory, office, or just where your company is incorporated.
     
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    Actually in Minnesota you are expected voluntarily to pay tax on any item purchased if the vendor does not collect sales tax.

    http://www.taxes.state.mn.us/taxes/use/tax_information/usetax_whatis.shtml

    I believe that it is only a matter of time before all large vendors are required to collect sales tax for every state that has such a tax. Otherwise all vendors may eventually be required to report purchases to the states and then the "use" tax will become enforceable.
     
  38. Topspin14m

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    That's true of all states that have sales taxes...not just Minnesota.
     
  39. Methodis

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    Go New Hampshire Tax Free! Hurrrah!
     
  40. hanna423

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    I've got you all beat. My tax was $123.87!!! And I got basically the cheapest model, aside from upgrading to the LED screen and a 6 cell battery. That's NYC for you!

    FYI... I saw on a Dell webpage somewhere which states have to pay sales tax and which don't, so maybe if you were so inclined, you could have your computer sent to a friend's house. I wouldnt' have had to pay sales tax if I just had it sent to my parents' address... then, of course, I'd have to wait longer to get it, so i guess the tax was worth it. I sure hope they use my tax money to make a really nice public park or educate low income children or something really nice!
     
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    YOUR CRYING ABOUT TAX? CALIFORNIA TAX is one of the highest!

    I paid $106.02

    edit:

    I thought california was one of the highest until I saw some 2 digit percentages....
     
  42. hanna423

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    Oh, just found this in my order confirmation email

    *Dell Home Systems collects tax on orders to Texas, Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, Tennessee, Idaho, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Illinois, Florida, Missouri, California, Washington, Oklahoma, New Jersey, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Georgia, New York, Kansas, Alabama, Wyoming, Utah, West Virginia, South Carolina, Alaska, Rhode Island, North Dakota, Maryland, Maine, Hawaii, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Nebraska, District of Columbia, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Vermont and Iowa. For shipments to other states, tax relates to the third party service contract only. The purchaser is responsible for remitting any uncollected tax on their order directly to the local tax authorities.
     
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    Tax for oklahoma city,.. where i'm at is $116.12
    I mean holy sh!t!!!!!!!!!! bad enough for gas price up over 3$ regular LOLL :D
     
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    132.87 here in Taxachuetts
     
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    Little known fact that I learned from my accountant ---> If you buy something online (even if the business is not located in the state); YOU are obligated by law to send in State Sales Tax into the IRS. There is no way of monitoring this but if you get audited, the burden of proof is on you. Thats why there all these bills that are discussing charging online ST and ofcourse companies like Amazon are lobbying against it. Dell falls under some othe Tax law and thats why charge SST.
     
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    Stop saying your tax is higher than others people, look at your total price. My tax is lower, because I paid less for my machine. We don't want amounts paid here, we want percentages. People are saying that's NYC for you! Taxing is determined by the COUNTY and not the CITY, and your comment about NYC is totally irrelevant. As for the percentages, I live in one of the higher percentages in the country (Cleveland) at 7.5% but I don't complain...because that's how it always is, and always will be. If you think taxing on a laptop is insane, go buy a car people...

    And yes, as previously stated many (if not most/all) states with sales tax does have lines in tax forms for out-of-state purchases, that really isn't a little known fact...just people don't care for that very reason. People are taxed enough, they don't want to pay more, and there really is no way to monitor it so you can never get in trouble...
     
  47. hanna423

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    NYC has a higher tax than the county, so it's not irrelevant! I didn't know the exact percentage. that's why I said, I got a pretty cheap system, just with a better battery and screen, and yet my tax still came out over a hundred, much more than most people. But anyway, the percentage is higher because the dept of transportation adds a percentage onto anything that is bought in the city and Westchester county.
     
  48. DoubleBlack

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    Well, I'll leave it at this.

    I'm not from NYC, nor do I really want to be...but AFAIK city's cannot place sales tax on purchased goods, only things like luxury tax (like NYC's famous Hotel Tax) or something like that. If there are another 2 or so people who can claim NYC has an additional sales tax on top of the county sales tax, then maybe I'll start to believe it...but until then, agree to disagree ;)
     
  49. hanna423

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    I just post this because I think my comment was perfectly relevant and I have as much a right to post without having my understanding of tax law attacked. But if you don't believe me:

    http://ny.rand.org/stats/govtfin/salestax.html
     
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    That's 8.38% which isn't anything insanely high...

    But yes it appears as if I was wrong, that New York does allow for cities to charge different sales taxes :p
     
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