All in One PC Barebone Mid- to High Performance - General Interest?

Hey guys!

I am currently working on an idea to start a brand which would be specialized in All in One PC Barebones.
So I wanted to ask you if there is any interest for such a thing?
In detail:

The focus is on a configurable system, like a desktop case, but this one here has already a build in mITX mainboard, monitor, speakers and everything is already cabled.

The power supply is external to save space and especially to keep the AIO as narrow as possible.
The lid on the back can be pushed open after only 2 screws have been removed, so it is very easy to maintain.
The technical data in a short overview:

Monitor: 27 "Full-HD, AH-IPS, Frameless Design

Mainboard:

• mITX, modified with a 90 degree rotated PCIe slot for the graphics card
• H110 chipset
• 2x RAM slots DDR4-SODIMM
• 1x mini PCIe slot
• 1x MSata Slot
• 1x 2.5 inch Sata connector

Graphics card: Power over PCIe lane (NVIDIA GTX 1050TI, Radeon RX460, etc.), with additional PSU up to Zotac NVIDIA GTX 1080 Mini

Power supply: External with 3 pin safety plug and 180W power, additional 250W PSU for Graphics cards with 6-8 pin Connector.

Connections:

• 2xUSB 3.0
• RJ45 connector
• 4xUSB 2.0
• SD card reader
• 1x HDMI-IN (for graphics card routing)
• 1x HDMI OUT
• 1x3.5mm stereo jack
• 1x3.5mm microphone jack
• Stereo speakers (believe it or not, they sound decent)

Here are some Pics from my Testsample:


I would really appreciate your feedback, thanks in advance!

 

Looks pretty slick, I like it.

 

Thanks

 

Looks very nice.

FYI: I recall an electronic store chain here in Switzerland advertised something similar: a high performance AIO, but with an ultra wide screen!

 

Yes i think i know what you mean, Origin PC for example sell them under the name: OMNI and now they are available here in Europe too.
I think here they are sold as Hyrican Evolution, looks pretty sick, but unfortunately VERY expensive...
I wanted to get one myself but with the configuration i wanted, it was at a price range of ~3000€.

 

Any chance for a high res panel?

 

Not at the moment sry, but at the end of May this year, there could be a good chance for it ;-)

 

It looks like there isn't much clearance around the graphics card. Would that be an issue with long/thick cards, even if we are limited to 75W ones?

Is providing auxiliary PCIe power connection practical is such a setup, assuming cooling is not problem? If you can double the power, those cards will play demanding modern games at 1080p or even 1440p 60Hz comfortably, if not better.

 

Jup i know, but then the whole Setup including the power supply needs to be changed because Graphics card with more power need a 6- or 8-pin power supply.
They won't be able to run only on 75W PCIe, also these cards are mostly bigger and longer and would not fit in the case.
As you can see on the pictures the room is limited, because the main focus was a slim and tidy setup.

But if you know of any external power adapter which has also an 6- or 8 pin power connector, please let me know, that would allow users to take a mini 1060 or even an 1070 if there will be a small form factor card in the future.

The room for the graphics card is max. 210mm~215mm in lenght and no more than 2 slot height.

Cheers!

 

I'm not aware of any external adapter with 3.3+5+12V (attaching your own connector should be trivial given the right output), but server PSUs are usually slim, and many of them are ATX-compatible from the shelf. They might fit into that kind of thickness. Or you can just wrap the cables and use the internal server PSU as an external one. (You might want to paint it black.) A less attractive solution would be using one dedicated PCIe PSU alone the primary PSU.

I understand that your priority is forum factor. But limiting the width and height of the main "case" area seems to be pointless beside minor aesthetic difference. As long as it's no bigger than the panel the effective footprint is the same.

 

Thank you, did not think of the Server PSU, i will look into it .

Limiting the "Building Area" has a reason, the electronics for the Panel, WLan antennas, Speaker, Cables etc. are routed through the rest of the case so the only solution would be to make it bigger in diagonal, but then you would have a more "thick" appereance on the whole back. I think it depends on what your priority is at that point.

But as i said at the End of May, maybe there will be a upgraded model.
I will definitly take a note on the space limitation, thank you again for your feedback .

Cheers!

 

Another idea about the PSU: just use a normal tower type PSU. But instead of throwing it mindlessly onto the ground, make a nice looking little stand to keep the PSU sitting vertically. If you can't hide it, make it look like an appealing feature rather than a blocky annoyance.

Is your exiting 180W adapter passively cooled like most laptop adapters are? With more power active cooling would be necessary at some point whether you go with server units or not. If left on the floor dust build-up will be a problem, which further necessitates the stand. A removable filter will also help.


Edit: looks like some consumer mini iTX units are quite capable as well.

 

Yeah i got the same idea, but every solution was just too bulky with a normal PSU.
The existing PSU in passively cooled, yes... i will take a picture once i get back home.

I will have a look at the mITX PSU's thnx

 

So maybe a housing for the PSU to make it look like it belongs with the rest of the system?

 

Yeah pricing was similar in Switzerland.

 

Yeah a housing for the PSU would be great, but one big Problem is: There are no Modular Mini ITX PSU's... so you have a bunch of cables which are useless.
The best thing to get atm. is a passively cooled Mini ATX i think, but they are bulky.
But nevertheless i will do some pioneer work :-D
I just saw that Zotac are already selling 1060 and 1070 cards with 210mm lenght, so they would fit.
Also they have a 1080 which would fit but in that formfactor that thing is way off from "silent".

So i think i will order a Mini ATX PSU and a 1070 and will test them with the device.
I will post the results and images as soon as i receive them.
Maybe even until friday when i can get them via Amazon Prime.

Will keep you informed

Cheers!

 

Just do a custom heatsink and make it a piece of desk art.

You talking about the zotac 1080? I haven't seen one in action yet but I don't recall them being reviewed as particularly loud.

 

Yes there are different 1080 models from Zotac, but im talking about the 1080 Mini, it has a size of 210mm.
It is not a jet turbine but its definetly noisy, similar to the Founder Edition and with the AIO you are sitting right in front of it^^.

 

Also: good news!
The graphics card arrived today and i had an unused ATX PSU lying around.
I went with the 1060, because the 1070 was a bit pricey and for Full HD Gaming the 1060 is enough.
I now used a Corsair PSU for testing purposes and an Antminer Power Switch.
I also was also able to overlclock the Graphics Card and everything is working as intended, played some Shadow of Mordor with everything set to Ultra, avg. ~92fps
So yes, you can use any Card you like as long as it fits .

Also i found an external PSU on Amazon with 12V and 192W which i will test next and i wanted to make a little adapter for switching from a standard DC Plug to a 6+2 pin PCIE Connector.
https://www.amazon.de/Netzkabel-Min...id=1491516053&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=pico+192w

I will keep you informed ;-)

Here are some images and i know ... the setup is so ugly that only its own mother could love it but hey...for testing purpose only. :-D

 

I like the idea, and I think the execution is clean and well thought out. But if it limits you to what LCD you can have, I personally am going to have to say no. Now if it were a Universal type case that could be fit with an adapter to the VESA mounts on the back of the LCD and still be able to mount it on a wall, it would be great. User could choose their monitor and mount it. But as it stands I think it will have limited appeal.

 

Using a VESA mount would make the thickness of the whole assembly a lot higher. Still much more compact than the alternatives though.

 

Yeah, already discussed this previously.
It would be a good idea with a VESA Mount on it, but then you would need to change the whole Chassis, that said the Maintenance wouldn't be as easy as it is now with only 2 Screws for the Case to open.

What i'm currently at is that i try to find a "clean" solution to get a 6 or 8 pin connector into the case without the need of a complete ATX PSU.

 

The same thing with a low latency 1440p display would be a deal-maker for me.

 

I know, problem is that it would be more expensive... but as i said maybe there will be something at the end of may

 

While true, having a 1440p customizable AIO would be worth the extra price to me, were I in the market.

 

Just for reference:

 

These are based on a common model (LP3400 I believe) and (are/were) available from a number of sellers. I've seen them in person, and it's as cool as he says it is. A 120Hz version would be the only thing that would majorly improve it, but that would jack the cost up even more. But I haven't seen anything in a standard ratio screen other than OP's.

 

Depending on cost I'd consider them for key points around the house (probably one in the kitchen and one in the shop)

 

Hey, sorry for the late response...

Its the same as the Hyrican Evolution, which i wrote about at the beginning.
Yes its a beast, but it is in a completely different price range and it is also very noisy with the built-in cooling solution.
Like i said, i wanted to get one for myself but even with a "standard High-perfomance" configuration it costs 3000€!

The approach with this AIO Barebone here, is to offer a relatively fair priced Barebone for self configuration and no pre configured models.
I know the display needs a WQHD Option, that a good point which i will forward to my supplier.

But another thing...
I finally got a decent PSU with a PCIe like Connector for the Project, and it does not only work like a charm, it even has sufficent Power for a Zotac 1080 + OC and its a relatively "clean" solution.
Currently i am using a 1060 because its enough for most 1080P Gaming/Editing and with its low power consumption, the PSU doesn't even get warm.
I routed the 6 Pin out of the chassis, directly to the PSU. I also tried the same with a 6+2 pin connector and it also works seamlessly.
The PSU has 250W @ 12V and fortunately the same LED Color as the standard PSU, so it looks like they belong together^^.
Here are some pictures (Sry for the Dust, the house is a building site atm.^^) :


In addition, this PSU can be used not only for the AIO Barebone but also for eGPU Solutions!
What do you think?

Cheers!

 

So you went the independent PCIe PSU route.

If you can put this device inside the AIO assembly that would be great. Otherwise it's another brick to place/hide.

 

Maybe but only if you want the extra power.
I see it more as an advantage, as long as you are fine with a mid range, PCIe Lane powered card, like a 1050Ti you only have one small PSU, like on a notebook...
For the people who need extra power, now there is also an option with a second PSU, which they can hide under the table and it also gives the option to upgrade in the future to a better card without having to sacrifice the slim, clean and space saving design.

And i really have to say that its totally awesome, to play BF1 Maxed out @ constant 70 FPS (70Hz refresh OC) on a device which has the same size as a 27" monitor^^.
One great thing is also... its silent even under load, thanks to the ITX30 Cooler and the Zotac 1060 AMP!, so even Noise does not have to be a problem with the right stuff.

 

Also added on top, that you can use every graphics card with a height around 210mm with this additional PSU.

 

That will definitely widen the appeal, someone upgrading could even transfer a few parts from their previous build to the new one.

 

Yeah i know , one last thing i wanted to make sure is that the 1080 really fits in the Case, so i ordered one, i think it will arrive on Friday so i will post the results over the weekend.

 

Can't see a reason it wouldn't, I'm excited to see the result.

 

Epic!

I'd love something like this.

 

If you've got the cash there's a 34" barebones around now.

 

Hey guys... sry for the late response again^^.

Unfortunately the PCB of the 1080 Mini is >3mm< too thick xD.
The PCB with the backplate bumps at the nut of the bottom of the pedestal. So the screw would have to be shorter and the nut replaced by a very small one.
The most annoying thing is that I connected the graphics card to the loose mainboard and it worked absolutely great . It is really only these 3mm ...
I will post a picture when i get back home from work today, maybe some of you guys got an idea.
To be honest, a 1070 though is an overkill for Full HD Gaming and the 1080 doesn't even use its full potential, but it would be nice to have this option at least.

See you later!

 

Is there any possibility to make a flexible PCIe adapter?

 

What do you mean by that?

 

Soft PCIe extension cable. The soft cable itself is easy. The hard part is how to securely mount the card onto a PCIe bracket holder that can be moved somewhat to accommodate cards of different sizes. When you have a thick card you move the mount outwards.

 

Agreed on 1070 being enough, but you know people here, gotta fit the best in there.

 

Got Home from work

So first, the idea with the Soft extension cable is a nice one if you dont need the aesthetics.
I thought of an option for an egpu like case which you can then mount at the back for example, for that an extension cable would be perfect... but that is just an idea^^ .
Second, yes i know that people want to fit the best into the case so i really have to think of something regarding the 1080 Mini.

Here is the picture of that goddamn nut :-D



i hope that someone got an idea how to get rid of this thing without compromising the stability of the stand :-/

Cheers!

 

You need 3mm on each side, or 3mm overall? A thinner nut and shorter screw might still do the job.

 

Hey guys!

So it works with a thinner nut and srew but that is obviously no solution for selling them.
I think a 1070 for max configuration is allright, but if there is need for a 1080 i could just provide an alternative nut and screw.
Because the stability is way better with the standard screw and nut.

I'm also currently building the webshop for the AIO and will let you know once its finished.
The Plan is to also build a forum-Like page with the webshop so that people can look up tweaks or mods or can create some themselves and post it there.
Sry for the few responses the last days but im very busy at the moment. :-/

Cheers!

 

Does the instability come from less friction? Could you partly solve it with some non-permanent thread lock?

 

Yes exactly, there is just not enough "area" with a short screw to get enough stability.
It works and it does not bend or anything but i fear that this can't be a long term solution.

What exactly did you mean with non-permanent thread lock?

Cheers!

 

Threadlockers come in different strengths. Red is permanent (or effectively so), blue is what you'd want since it provides enough friction to keep it from moving in most situations but you can still undo it.