Coffee Lake - Owners Lounge and Discussion

I'm going by Intel's original release announcements vs shipping date to show the panic Intel is demonstrating, I think you know this - maybe you just forgot

The latest is Intel moving up z390 announced for 2H18 September / October 2018 to January / Feburary 2018, that's at least 6 months early.

Intel also showed they panicked by doing a paper release for the 8700k 6c/12t CPU, and continuing to not ship the 8700k in quantities, only to announce the 8800k (?) 8c/16t CPU to release in a couple of months.

Everyone was wondering why Intel was "messing the pooch" with the 8700k shipments, now we know why, Intel has already shifted production resources to the 8800k(?) CPU and z390 chipset.

Now everyone that realizes this, and just bought everything new to support the 8700k, are surprised and miffed to discover their expensive 8700k system will be outdone by the 8800k system in a few months. They all expected Intel to follow the announced release schedule, and thought they had at least a year of use before Intel outmoded it.

I'm wondering how soon the 9900k(?) will be out on Cannondale 10nm next year, it could be 6 months or less after the 8800k(?) is released.

Welcome to the new world of short lived Intel platforms and CPU dominance.

It will be interesting to see how long AMD can release faster CPU's on the AM4 / TR4 platforms. They say 4 years, but that is a long time in CPU years.

 

Responding does not equal panicking? Panicking to me would mean they're releasing sub par products, and I'm sorry but can you even argue that CFL is a sub par or flawed product? Just take a look at it's benchmarks and performance/ CFL is one of Intel's best CPU releases in years regardless if they dragged their feet for those years or not. When did they announce the 8 core 8800K? Also they are shifting production resources for a different chip? Weird looks like to me Intel is ramping up production of their 8700K and CFL chips.

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...cilities-online-improve-coffee-lake-shipments

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827&cm_re=8700k-_-19-117-827-_-Product -- Looks to be in stock to me and has been all day. What do you mean not ship in quantities?

Anyways @hmscott as always it has been fun friend but I need to get back to gaming tonight. Only have 19 days off

 

The panic is showing by Intel not having / taking the time to provide backward / forward compatibility for Coffee Lake CPU's and z270 / z170, and Kabylake CPU's on z370.

The panic has also shown by Intel not delivering product, you can't find 8700k CPU's anywhere except in pre-built systems, even now they are in and out of stock. Intel says shipments will pick up in 1H18, but isn't that when the z390 and 8c/16t CPU's will release?

That article promises a future improvement, not reflected in current availability:

"Intel Will Bring Additional Facilities Online to Improve Coffee Lake Shipments
By on November 17, 2017 at 3:29 pm
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...cilities-online-improve-coffee-lake-shipments

Intel is moving to test the 8th generation Coffee Lake CPUs at Chengdu, China. The facility is certified under Intel’s Copy Exactly program and should have no problem fielding additional cores into the market. The fact that Intel needs to bring up a new facility, however, does suggest that yields on its new 14nm++ might still be a bit dicey at the top of the product stack."

Intel's panic is most evident in moving up the z390 release 6 months and releasing a new CPU to replace the one's they just released a couple of months ago, killing their Xmas season if this is true.

Intel is panicking in the form of continually shooting themselves in the foot, killing any momentum for any product released since Ryzen was released.

Intel is not acting normally, and responding in stranger and stranger ways, at what point you want to call it panicking is up to you. I think Intel has long passed the panic point and is putting customer happiness in the rear view mirror until they are a step ahead of AMD releases coming in 2018.

Sure, let's stop here until we get some more details, "any details"?, all of this could be an unfounded rumor... including those benchmark database listings... of course those could be faked.

 

I know I said I was done, but you just quoted my message where I listed Newegg's own site and listing of the 8700K in stock and ready to ship, and yet you now state you can't find it anywhere in stock? Seriously brother what are you on?

Releasing new products, and pushing up release dates isn't a panic. It's what all companies do to respond to competition. See the 1070 Ti. This is all normal and great for consumers alike. Releasing another chipset is certainly different, but it does has a few new features, which may not have been available at the time of release for the Z370.

Additionally Intel releasing an 8 core CFL chip is no different than AMD releasing the 1700, 1700x, and 1800x, then the 1600x, 1600, and then etc. Then they also immediately released the Threadripper. Is that a Panic? So Intel is releasing an 8 core CFL, which may or may not work on Z370. This isn't panicking, its releasing product to respond to competition.

I will leave with I have near 100% confidence the CPUs will be both forwards and backwards compatible, and the 8 core CFL will work just fine on the Z370. You keep quoting how Z170 and Z270 don't have CFL support and completely ignore Intel's 2x gen support for CPUs. What about that is so hard for you to understand? I'm genuinely confused by how you're having trouble grasping that fact. Maybe we can look back at this thread in a few months when we have more information. If it doesn't then so be it. I will grab the Z390 and 8 core if it offers me substantial gaming performance. You know I like to have somewhat top tier products when it comes to gaming. Workstation tasks just don't interest me.

 

The 8700k's go in and out of stock, they are in stock now, then later they go out of stock. It's been that way since release. With the leak about the Coffee Lake 8800K(?) 8c/16t coming out early next year(?), maybe the 8700k will be in stock more often now.

The z390 supports the 8c/16t CPU, that's the main feature of interest. We don't know if that CPU will be supported on the z370, but why come out with the z390 and 8c/16t CPU at the same time? We don't know for sure yet either way, but I'm leaning toward the 8800k(?) 6c/12t CPU only being supported in the z390.

AMD was releasing to a schedule, maybe even later than planned. Even so AMD had startup issues that required new firmware for the Ryzen CPU's, the ThreadRipper release was better and timed with the Epyc release too.

Sounds good, let's see how it works out

 

It's been in stock all day, and going in and out of stock seems fairly normal for pretty much anything, especially a new tech device.

Do you think more gamers and mainstream consumers will purchase the 8 core/16 thread CPU over the already highly priced $400+ 8700K? I am leaning towards most consumers don't have or don't want the budget for such a pricey CPU, and the 8core/16thread CPU is definitely going to be one expensive chip no doubt.

 

Intel isn't delivering enough product, it's that simple. The article you quoted actually shows it's not enough yet, Intel is adding facilities to make quantities to keep in stock.

It may be in stock at newegg, but it's out of stock at Amazon, B&H Photo, Microcenter in Store every location I checked, Fry's Electronics - Out of Stock in half the stores, and similar spotty stock everywhere that comes up - only 10 places... that's incredibly low for an Intel CPU. The 7700k lists 107 places.

Most CPU's from Intel even at release aren't hard to find, they are everywhere, but yes of course they will go in and out of stock sometimes, but not the way the 8700k has been hard to get.

Like I said maybe that 8800k 8c/16t and z390 leak has taken a few people by surprise and they've stopped the run on 8700k's, so now they are in stock on Saturday, when they've been sold out more than in stock until now.

Intel is about to get to the point of dropping prices, so I am assuming the 8800k will be out around the same price as the 8700k is now, so that Intel stay's competitive when the Ryzen 2 generation CPU's release. And, I am talking about the 8700K MSRP, not the current inflated prices due to short stock.

If you are spending all that money on the z390/z370, why not get the 8c/16t CPU, so you have the best Intel offers at the time. That's the way to have a long life desktop build, or laptop build

 

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX8068...&ie=UTF8&qid=1511129490&sr=1-1&keywords=8700k -- Amazon 8700K in stock Nov 22.

https://www.frys.com/product/933976...MIoLi_49PL1wIVi-NkCh1XtwbPEAYYAiABEgJ2B_D_BwE -- Frys 8700K In stock now, ships Monday. Also available right now in more than half of their retail stores on the shelf.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827&cm_re=8700k-_-19-117-827-_-Product -- Newegg 8700K currently out of stock, was available all day yesterday. Seems people are still buying it even at the inflated price due to demand.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1356634-REG/intel_bx80684i78700k_core_i7_8700k_3_7_ghz.html -- BH 8700K out of stock with more on the way. Quotes 7-14 days.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/s...=8700k&Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=0&myStore=false --Microcenter 7/25 stores has 8700K stock, almost all of them with 10+ in stock.

Posting for a friend.

 

Yup, out of stock at Amazon...and it has been Out of Stock almost every time I've looked.

The glass is half full, the glass is half empty, still Out of Stock in half the stores.

Darn, just missed it

Yup, everytime I've looked at B&H the 8700k has been out of stock...

Actually it's not quite that rosey at Microcenter Stores, most locations are out of stock, including online ordering - Out of Stock:

AVAILABLE FOR IN-STORE PICKUP ONLY.
SOLD OUT AT ORANGE COUNTY/TUSTIN STORE
1 IN STOCK AT DENVER/DENVER TECH CENTER STORE
SOLD OUT AT GREATER ATLANTA/DULUTH STORE
SOLD OUT AT GREATER ATLANTA/MARIETTA STORE
10+ IN STOCK AT CHICAGOLAND/CENTRAL STORE
SOLD OUT AT CHICAGOLAND/WESTMONT STORE
SOLD OUT AT KANSAS CITY/OVERLAND PARK STORE
SOLD OUT AT BOSTON/CAMBRIDGE STORE
SOLD OUT AT BELTWAY/ROCKVILLE STORE
SOLD OUT AT BALTIMORE/TOWSON STORE
10+ IN STOCK AT DETROIT/MADISON HEIGHTS STORE
SOLD OUT AT TWIN CITIES/ST. LOUIS PARK STORE
SOLD OUT AT ST. LOUIS/BRENTWOOD STORE
SOLD OUT AT NORTH JERSEY / PATERSON STORE
SOLD OUT AT LONG ISLAND/WESTBURY STORE
SOLD OUT AT BROOKLYN/GOWANUS EXPY STORE
SOLD OUT AT QUEENS / FLUSHING STORE
SOLD OUT AT WESTCHESTER COUNTY/YONKERS STORE
10+ IN STOCK AT CENTRAL OHIO/COLUMBUS STORE
10+ IN STOCK AT NORTHEAST OHIO/MAYFIELD HEIGHTS STORE
10+ IN STOCK AT CINCINNATI/SHARONVILLE STORE
SOLD OUT AT PHILADELPHIA/ST. DAVIDS STORE
SOLD OUT AT HOUSTON STORE
SOLD OUT AT DALLAS METROPLEX/RICHARDSON STORE
SOLD OUT AT NORTHERN VIRGINIA/FAIRFAX STORE
AVAILABLE FOR IN-STORE PICKUP ONLY.

Those 10+ locations probably aren't selling many / any and still have their original and ongoing allocations, they're stacking up on the shelves.

The other odd thing is I thought the MSRP for the 8700k was $359, not $499 with an $80 "discount" to $419, the retailers are playing fast and loose with the list price, Microcenter Lists it like this:
$499.99 SAVE $80.00
$419.99

Maybe after Xmas the 8700K will be able to remain in stock, and maybe go back down to MSRP pricing?

 

I have to agree. Reacting with a sense of urgency is not panic. It is appropriate. For the first time in roughly 10 years Intel actually needs to give a rat's ass about AMD. That's good for everyone, including Intel. What they have done is show they can move mountains when they need to. Some people don't like that. They should have been doing the same all along, but it is probably hard to feel motivated when there is no business rationale for it (as in no competition to spur them on).

AMD has done the industry a favor by stepping up their game on CPU quality. Same thing needs to happen with GPUs and NVIDIA deserves to be forced into doing their best, too.

I appreciate the change AMD has brought about. I refuse to buy any CPU or GPU that sucks at overclocking, so I cannot offer direct support for their products for that reason. But, I still like the sense of urgency required of Intel. It is nice to see both companies taking their business seriously for a change. Intel pretended to before, and AMD didn't even try to pretend before. Nice change from status quo.

Intel has the money and the insatiable, maniacal desire do squash their competition. That is one reason, in addition to better overclocking, why they are still my preferred vendor. But, no matter how you want to slice it, we all win. The only losers are the owners of worthless BGA trash. They will never be winners, because their products are born predestined to lose.

 

No need to visit the store when you can purchase RIGHT NOW and ship it anywhere in the lower 48. The point is, if you want an 8700K there have been and still remain plenty of opportunities in the States to acquire one. Painting the picture that it's still some impossible task is factitious.

 

Demand remains high... Best price I have seen right here:
http://www.shopblt.com/item/intel-boxed-8th-gen-core-i7/intel_bx80684i78700k~b2df526.html

 

@Mr. Fox great price!

If you don't mind getting a tray CPU vs retail boxed CPU, when this comes into stock this will also be a great price IMO. Especially if retailers keep the prices of the boxed CPUs inflated. I have purchased CPUs and a GT60 laptop from Provantage in the past, and the experience has always been excellent.

http://www.provantage.com/intel-cm8068403358220~7ITEP5XU.htm

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827&cm_re=8700k-_-19-117-827-_-Product -- 8700K in stock right now at Newegg, GO GO GO!!!!

 

Thanks for the link. It's so tempting, even though I'm really not under much pressure to upgrade at the moment.

 

They are in stock at Fry's Electronics (at least in Tempe, AZ). I was just there and picked up a Steelseries Sensei Wireless mouse for $59 (yeah, crazy price). They are selling the 8700K for $419.99 and you can find them in stock online as well.

https://frys.com/product/9339760

Yes... this mouse... crazy price. Just under $60, LOL.

Spoiler: Wireless Sensei

@Phoenix

 

Dang. I never knew I could like a mouse this much. It just feels right, and I love the charging dock. It would suck on the go, but it's the perfect compliment to my desktop.