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    Critique my upgrades

    Discussion in 'Desktop Hardware' started by Elminst, Jun 4, 2017.

  1. Elminst

    Elminst Some Network Guy

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    Hello,
    Current machine is running on mostly 6+ year old parts. It still runs pretty well. But it's starting to dog on the newer games. With some previous help, I've compiled the following list of upgrades.
    I'll be keeping a GTX970, the case, 2 newer hard drives (1 & 2 TB), and Win10 Pro.
    Please offer any and all comments, particularly on the motherboard. Hoping to get at least 4-5 years out of it (not incl video card upgrades).

    PCPartPicker part list
    CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.00 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-Z270X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($176.59 @ Amazon)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.99 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ Dell Small Business)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Total: $914.45
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-04 16:28 EDT-0400


    Current build for comparison:
    CPU - i7-920 (no OC, "turboboost" only)
    MOBO - Asus P6T Deluxe v2
    RAM - 18G DDR3 triple-channel (3x2 + 3x4)
    GPU - EVGA GTX970 (only slightly overclocked. 2 yrs old)
    PSU - Corsair CMPSU-850TX 850W
    HDD - 1TB and 2TB desktop drives. (no SSD)
    OS - Windows 10 Pro
     
  2. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Why but now? Intel is suggesting maybe coffeelake in Q3, the price cuts on skylake and ryzen, etc. No other complaints except time of purchase and buying Intel Kaby, especially when you could grab a 6 core later this month...

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  3. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    I think your upgrades look pretty solid. I haven't heard of that CPU cooler before; have you considered one of the small liquid coolers from Corsair?

    Charles
     
  4. Elminst

    Elminst Some Network Guy

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    Time frame is not real pressing, but i was hoping to have it before end of summer. I can hold off if there is stuff coming out in the next month that will cause a shift in market pricing.

    What do you recommend in similar price range? I'd probably just be cooling the CPU. Don't really want to dismantle my 970.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Q3 runs until the end of September. Look up Intel 8th gen Coffeelake Q3 and Z370 chipset. If those rumors are true, I don't want you buying dated hardware when Coffeelake will use Intel's 14nm++ and will have the strongest IPC until 2019, even stronger than 10nm cannonlake. This is to make sure you look at all options. If the rumors are true, that is a couple months. Do some Google searches on that. Coffeelake will also have a 6-core mainstream option, according to rumors, meaning more choice for your needs.

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    http://wccftech.com/intel-x299-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-z370-coffee-lake-s-z390-cannonlake-cpu-details/
    Intel Coffee Lake S CPU Lineup To Feature Hyperthreaded Core i7 and Core i5 Models With Up To 6 Cores, Core i3 To Boast 4 Cores – Support Recommended on Z370 Platform With LGA 1151 V2 Socket

    The conference also detailed a bunch of new information on the upcoming Coffee Lake CPUs. The Coffee Lake S family which is the codename for the mainstream desktop platform is already known to feature the first 6 core mainstream processor from Intel. The processor lineup will launch in the third quarter with a release focused around August at Gamescom 2017. The release will include a series of 6 and 4 core models. There will also be dual core models added to the lineup but later in first quarter of 2018.



    Coffee Lake S will be launching alongside the brand new Z370 chipset which is known as CFL-PCH (Coffee Lake PCH). The platform will feature the LGA 1151 V2 socket so while it will have the same number of pins as the current LGA 1151 socket, it seems like Intel is moving to ditch support of the Coffee Lake CPUs on older LGA 1151 socketed motherboards such as Z270 series. It is stated that Intel will clearly be differentiating the socket with the use of “V2” moniker so consumers don’t end up buying the wrong board for their Coffee Lake desktop processor.


    Intel’s Coffee Lake S CPUs are based on the company’s most advanced and refined 14nm++ process node to date.
    The new 6 core parts will feature 50% more cores, threads and cache compared to current offering. So we are looking at next-generation Core i7 mainstream SKUs with 6 cores, 12 threads and 12 MB of L3 cache. Similarly, the Core i5 models will be the first Intel mainstream models with full support for hyperthreading support. The Core i5 models will ship with 4 cores, 8 threads and 8 MB of L3 LLC (Last Level Cache). This is up from 4 cores, 4 threads and 6 MB of LLC on the current Core i5 model.



    All models in the Coffee Lake S family will feature the next generation Intel GT2 tier graphics chip. The Pentium series would include 2 cores, 4 threads and up to 4 MB of L3 cache. There will also be some models with 3 MB L3 cache while featuring GT1 tier graphics chips.

    Intel Coffee Lake S Mainstream Desktop Lineup Details (Preliminary):

    Coffee Lake S Series Cores Threads L3 Cache Integrated Graphics Socket Chipset
    Intel Core i7 6 Cores 12 Threads 12 MB L3 Intel GT2 LGA 1151 V2 Z370 (300 Series)
    Intel Core i5 4 Cores 8 Threads 8 MB L3 Intel GT2 LGA 1151 V2 Z370 (300 Series)
    Intel Core i3 4 Cores 4 Threads 4 MB L3 Intel GT2 LGA 1151 V2 Z370 (300 Series)
    Intel Pentium 2 Cores 4 Threads 4/3 MB L3 Intel GT2/GT1 LGA 1151 V2 300 Series (CFL-PCH)
    Intel Celeron 2 Cores 2 Threads 2 MB L3 Intel GT1 LGA 1151 V2 300 Series (CFL-PCH)


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    Elminst Some Network Guy

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    That's pretty awesome.
    But does that mean the coffeelake CPUs will be available to buy in Aug/Sept? And at the same pricing point i'm looking at (~300 for CPU)?
    I don't want to wait 4 months just to find out that the "mainstream" i7 version is gonna be $500+. (although that would probably push the Kaby pricing down)
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    First, I don't know if soft or hard launch, so don't know availability. I don't know pricing on the six core, but it would likely be less than the 6 core they are launching this month (7800X), which costs $389. So, the quad core 8700K (if they keep the same numbering scheme) would have to come in less than that.

    Note- coffee lake was originally planned for Christmas. Also, Intel just pushed the 14, 16, & 18 core i9s, with the 18 core coming next year and no word yet on the other two. So, it depends how much you trust Intel or if you think this is trying to take steam out of the TR release.

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    Reminds me of a Hyper 212 Evo, those seem pretty competent for cooling an i7.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    @Elminst - so, since we last talked, Coffeelake was pushed back to 2018. I believe this was to move fab time up on the 14-18 core Skylake-X. I just needed to correct that as it can affect the purchase decision.
     
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    I would never ever buy outdated tech now. Even if I had to wait 5-6 months for new tech!!
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Now that I do agree with! Considering how quickly every single announcement on releases has changed and what is in the pipeline, I'd definitely hold. Hell, my skylake desktop has devalued so much, I plan on taking a hit on the cpu and MB sale. The 980 Ti classy didn't drop too badly, so selling it on is less of a concern. But, I'd wait until we see the affects of HEDT wars in August.

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    Considering it looks like new tech is going to start coming out every 5-6 months anyway, that sounds like a stressful policy. :)
     
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    Still, 6 core mainstream is on its way. Buy 4 core chips now is like watching yesterday ;)
     
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    On that we agree, though in this case I'm personally tempted to jump on the end of the mature 4 core tech and then sit back for a gen or so and see what shakes out in the early days of 6 core mainstream. If something totally wows me I'm willing to retract that of course.
     
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    Based on what evidence? 4 cores have yet to be full implemented and used so now sure where there are software that is fully using 4 cores to spend more on 6 cores when there isn't software to fully use a 6 cores CPU.
     
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    My take go AMD Rz1800x for that price. Is here a reason your paying more when you can get similiar in Rz for less.
    I used my CoolerMaster 212 with upgraded holder and saved a bundle on it
    Get a Asrock X370 I am using one and have no problem so far with it plenty of Sata ports.
    I got EVGA 16gb DDR4-3000
    I get a Board that can take M.2 NVe SSD for main boot drive and 2.5 SSD for storage.
    I get a brand name PS 750W or higher for power stability and cooler running.
    I spend just around 850 for my AMD Rz 1500X build using still using my working hardware with a upgrade MSI GTX1060 Gaming 6G GPU. Installed Windows 10x64 Pro

    My old build was iNtel i5-4690K
    Asrock motherboard and MSI 970OC
    Windows 7x64 Pro Sp1
     
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    If you're talking for just gaming, sure, but there are a lot of non-gaming reasons to want more cores. (Even with gaming, newer engines are utilizing extra cores already). Any workstation, especially for rendering or autocad type work will benefit from more cores and people are increasingly using home desktops for that sort of thing.
     
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    Even Micro$oft advertising better support for 6/8 core for gaming with "Crematory Update 2" this fall. Of course, you shouldn't trust everything M$ say. But it's posted on the web and you find it if you don't trust me. As well Intel push normally 2 gen processors for same socket design. Ryzen is heavily in now with 8 core chips. I wouldn't buy a setup with older Intel socket LGA 1151 who is soon EOL. Aka you are screwed if you change your mind and later want 6 core or faster Cpu. It's a reason Intel push for 6 cores mainstream for first time and Ryzen is already there with 8 core processors. But that's me. I'm not forcing what other should buy. Good luck with whatever people buy.
     
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    Thought the next two mainstream chips were going to be the same socket 1151 but not compatible with existing chipsets/motherboards.
     
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    Yeah, so called 1151 v2 :eek: Of course with no "special" extra or must have features for coming Cpu. Only milking as usual :oops:
     
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    Seems an odd choice to me unless they're really trying to drive a wedge between HEDT and low level user / gaming rigs or some such tomfoolery.
     
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    It will most likely be like this below
    If Intel skip the change for Coffee, it will be the same problem anyway. Only 1 year later. Same will happen.. Angry people :cool:

    "The new chipset does mean that Intel has the opportunity to change the socket and considering the unusual die structure and later support for 10nm processors, we can expect that to happen. LGA 1151 will have served two processor generations by then, Skylake and Kaby Lake."
     
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    In your opinion, how many generations of CPU should a single generation of socket/chipset support? I think we're in agreement that Intel's game plan appears not to be ideal. (To frequent upgraders at least)
     
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    I don't remember, but I mean AMD will support 3 gen aka 3 years? Should at least be the same for Intel. We will see <improvement> aka PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 maybe next year. It will be changes and more difficult to follow up.
     
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    Next year seems optimistic for retail DDR5 I think.