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Ive been in many of the FABS at Micron, as I was working in the construction boom (10 to 15K workers, small city) in the mid to late 90's out there. Maybe Micron puts a tighter leash on their DDR as apposed to Samsung? I have no respect for Samsung as a memory maker for what they did in the 90's by flooding the market with cheap ram to undercut Micron. I guess thats business though, but I just heard about it more than most, since the local news covered it.

 

Excellent. Thanks for the info.

Making the "eww," comment has nothing to do with being a fan of something over the other. It is no different than your views toward soldered laptops. It's just an expression of dissatisfaction.

Again, there are only two brands...micron and samsung that make the GDDR6 so there are only two to critique, dislike, like, favor, whatever... I just choose to prefer the one that has the marking "samsung," because it is better than micron. If you prefer micron, that's fine... it's not about brand war here.

The simple fact is that Samsung is far superior to Micron is just a simple fact. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't matter if it's american or not. There is a reason why companies like EVGA, HOF etc...use Samsung. Simple fact. Nothing more...

To make it very clear, the intent of saying "eww," is just basically saying..."yea it sucks that it can't perform better, what a bummer..." -

I'm sure you understand based on the strong principles you have toward favoring the best over the weak.

In this case micron is the weak and samsung is the strongest.

Brand and principle unfortunately does not produce performance here... I too tend to favor american brands, but unfortunately just because they are home grown doesn't mean they are good. In fact, in most sectors we fall way behind the World.

For regular gamers, that's correct it makes zero difference.

Keep an eye out for SKHynix (Worlds 2nd biggest semi conductor giant)... they are up and coming with GDDR6. It'll be nice to have another player in the game.

I wish they didn't go with the AIO with the KP lol.. it (the cooling) looks un-proportional to me...

 

That is business and just how the ball game works. Everyone does that... current day it's the chinese companies that are doing just that in the phone and consumer electronics sector. This is why micron joined up with intel and bought out entities such as lexar etc...

Competition is good for us. If a company can't keep up then that's their duty to catch up if they want to play ball...

Overtaking a market due to innovation, technology and having stronger work ethics (samsung) doesn't make them or any who play by the rules a bad company.

In the world of business, success gained by playing by the rules is an accomplishment, which has happened for very successful companies like apple and samsung. Then there are those that don't play by the rules like huawei, but as the saying goes "the truth shall reveal itself," and it has for them with their shady spying, stealing of info etc...

Most importantly, don't always believe what you see on the news.

 

I'll give this a try. Do I just download the attached file and run install.bat?

Any advantage to remove the intel dynamic framework driver as well?

This on the Area-51m? Did you update the microcode? I'll test this after tomorrow, got an exam tomorrow.

 

I reinstalled the latest bios downloaded from here. I think it might have had the updated mc, because my physics shot up pretty nicely after the flash.

Sounds great! Looking forward to it.

 

According to the man (K|NGP|N) himself, there are other bios for KP users outside of the shipping bios. Have you seen any 'new' bios available?



EDIT: I say this but I do understand that ultimately greater cooling will be needed to really stretch the KP's legs.

 

Weird, that's the BIOS I am currently on. I was thinking of flashing 1.5.0

 

I haven't seen any official ones floating around... leaked ones maybe @Johnksss would know?

I flashed 1.5.0 onto the black A51M and it seems to have the updated mc's from what I can tell...consistent 28K runs for physics.

 

Interesting, @Prema said all of them have the older microcode. Wonder if he also checked 1.5.0?

I'll try 1.5.0 first and then microcode update in windows and see if my score improves. What CPU speed is your 28k run?

 

All BIOS have the same microcode.
Pretty sure this part made the sudden difference after weeks of trying to get the Physics up and not re-flashing the same BIOS that was already on the system:

Without that you don't even have to start benching these days. Toggle it on/off, reboot and run Physics and you will see.

EDIT:

HUGE THX @Johnksss for sending me a Z370 / P870TM1 (2018) board. The extra PINs make a big difference in CPU stability over the Z170 / P870DMx (2016) model, which I was using before!
THX to you I could finally join the 5.2Ghz FS club:

 

I think you might be missing my point. But, you sort of circle back to it near the end of your post.

Yes, I would prefer to have Samsung chips on my GPU since their memory overclocks higher. If Micron or Hynix overclocked higher, I would prefer whichever of them did. So, we are in agreement on this topic overall.

I prefer (trust, want to see successful, etc.) Micron as a company based on principle and if I were not overclocking I would select them of the three mentioned. Micron makes good products that are dependable and durable, including Crucial Memory and SSDs and I think they operate on a higher level ethically... although, I'd said that somewhat tongue in cheek where tech business is concerned. Micron do not make "enthusiast" products that overclockers flock to. Aside from overclocking and seeking out the product that does that best, I would purposefully buy products from any American company over any foreign company, especially one in a country that hasn't always been a US ally. It's sad that it is a necessary evil in the case of overclocking and I wish that was not the case. The fact that they are US based, provide jobs to US citizens and keep most of the money at home is important and I value that. I suspect that you do, too.

 

My understanding, (which is limited,) is that the production K|INGP|N GPUs do not ship with the extreme firmware. I think you can request it either from EVGA or maybe they can tell you where to request it from Vince. Vince also actually briefly mentioned that in the first video JayzTwoCents did on LN2 overclocking, although Vince did not give any specifics on how to request it in either video. I think the first place to start would be to call EVGA Support. You may have to sign some kind of NDA or something because I have never seen that firmware posted anywhere for public download.

 

5.2GHz ... yea that's strange... I did update the mc on the white A51M and it improved it, but for some odd reason the black A51M was just a bios updated which then started to hit 28K ... hmmm beats me lol... but it's working and I'm so glad it's finally where it should be.

Either way... huge thanks and respect to brother @Prema

I agree it's the mc that definitely did the magic. Thanks again.

Wow congrats and what a nice gesture from @Johnksss ...awesome.

I think we both agreed all along on the main principle haha. All good. Yea I'm totally for supporting home grown stuff. I love that you're just as patriotic. Regarding samsung though they are not chinese, rather S.K. which are blood sworn allies so I have no problem supporting SK's stuff as both sides bleed red, white and blue. As for other places I'm sure we have similar views on them lol, but that's for another convo over a bbq sometime.

Sorry for any confusion, I've been exhausted the past few days trying to cram things in before leaving for a trip. The KP cards came in today and I haven't even had a chance to open them yet...

Ah yes, my buddy that is working on 2310 with his KP on DICE got it from vince... I'll give vince a ping....

 

how much of a difference? and damn thats a pretty sweet package from john, nice!

 

New Fire Strike PR: 26814
(Working on it...another step forward in breaking the 26 800 barrier.)

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19226933

Here's a really goofy run, but with a Graphics Score PR: 31406
(This run has all the right physics and graphics to be a potential 27K, but it went goofy somewhere lol. Work in progress...stay tuned.)

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19226982

Here's a run with a Physics Score PR: 28206

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19226970

 

What is your cache at?

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/35844914?

Went back and tweaked up the cache and drove that combined score up quite a bit. Picked up around 800 points overall. I need more than +1500Mhz memory offset in Afterburner. I would use PX1 but I hate that it wants to flash my firmware when launching/installing it. I wish Afterburner had a larger memory offset. With a larger offset I'm confident I could break 41K GPU, which would be bananas on a 120mm AIO.

 

I haven't checked, but once i get locked out at 520W, then I may start asking my old team (Pure) if there is in fact a different one where you do not have to be with in the temp group in the picture I posted earlier.

It still will not work right on standard cooling though. One can only go so high till you reach the next temp plateau.

Which card are you running?

You are more than welcome Brother @Prema !

Wasn't sure if that would change much over the Z170, but good to see it did.

Also i'm inclined to agree. It was the patch holding the cpu in check vs bios update.

 

EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Hybrid.

 

So it is the one in your signature. A lot of these EVGA cards seem to do nice gpu numbers. Did you also do the shunt mod on yours?

 

It's bone stock as far as vBIOS and hardware goes. Just tweaking with Afterburner.

Looking at tops scores I need to go back and drive up my physics.

 

@Johnksss yea I agree, these FTW3 cards are pretty strong. I think I'll bench the FTW3 first for a few runs before diving into the KP. I'm pretty sure I can top my PR. This is the stock card without any mods.. just OC. https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18855970 ... The newer FTW3 cards also have Samsung chips which is pretty neat. Should provide a nice boost due to the higher memory OC.

 

So then @Mr. Fox is right then, because he is on Micron memory with water chiller vs Samsung and 120MM AIO.

 

Can you run that same bench, but cpu core at 5.0 ghz? I want to see how much of a difference the core overclock made.

 

We both have the Hydro Copper Water Block so that definitely is something to take into consideration, whereas the AIO on the KP cools a smaller surface area... I was really hoping they'd release a full cover water block for the KP card, but rumor has it that they won't be releasing one?

Sure thing. I'll get the desktop put together later today... just need to install the new cpu water block and reservoir.

 

EVGA says they will be releasing a Hydro Copper block available for purchase separately, but not a K|INGP|N with a factory-installed Hydro Copper for some weird reason. Maybe because they know they can suck an extra $175-$200 out of their customers by selling them separately.

 

Wait, I thought he said he had a hybrid?

They are not releasing a hydro copper card as a single unit, but there will be a hydro copper waterblock. Is what i got from jacobs post about it.
Thanks Brother.

 

Ohhh okay. Gotcha.. Thanks guys... phew that makes my day. Yea totally @Mr. Fox ... a way to get more mula for sure. @Johnksss np brother... it'll be fun... gathering data is addicting lol... ah regarding having the hydro copper I was referring to me and @Mr. Fox having them...

 

I mean, really... they're already such a truly horrible value what's another $200? Right? Might as well make it an even $2000 if you're going to take that kind of financial blood bath on a GPU, LOL.

 

Titan RTX is still more though.
And I did look at those.

 

A new $1900 2080Ti card hit the market.


Asus ROG Matrix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Platinum graphics card coming soon but will set you back over US$1,900

 

That's so true. Well heck, what has me thinking now is how far I'd be able to push the newer FTW3 cards with the sammy chips with the hydro copper water block to see how close it can come to the KP cards... I already have a feeling that under non XOC conditions that they'll be very close and in ratio to dollar to performance the FTW3 w/ sammy I think will come up on top for sure... Hmmmm... then again, not to fault the KP cards at all..they were geared more for XOC to begin with as they have a much stronger core OC capabilities... it has me thinking though lol...

 

Work horse cards. They have that torque haha...

Interesting... competition for KP cards? I'm curious how it'll perform... I'm guessing hand picked binned chips like the KP etc... I'd be interested in seeing the actual gpu die and memory chips along with the phases etc...

On another interesting note, check this out....
"Liquid metal compound from Thermal Grizzly reduces CPU temperatures by up to 13°C* compared to standard thermal paste. The right amount must be applied meticulously for the best results, so we commissioned custom equipment that automates the process with mechanical precision. The block that sits on the CPU also has a special internal fence that prevents liquid medal from leaking out over time."

My first reaction was... if they can do it, this eliminates the excuse of other companies to ever say that they can't...

 

Have seen it before. They just eat from the small remaining cooling headroom in the laptop models. Why not offer better cooling? There is not much left an end user can do now.

 

I think you're right when you get a good FTW3. I waited until I saw a lot of new FTW3 owners getting Sammy chips, and then reports of a some really good clocks before I took the leap to sell old and buy new. Not exactly a good investment but meh I just wanted a 2100Mhz+ card with Samsung chips for the clocks. The KPE seems to need sub ambient to really shine and XOC vBIOS. Have they released that yet?

Edit:

Anyone have a link to a working Nvflash to flash other vendor vBIOS? My version decided to crap the bed and won't flash anymore.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/bk9i37/nvidia_reportedly_to_stop_a_and_nona_chip/

This would be huge if true. Those $1000 EVGA black editions with Samsung memory would be steals if true. You could get a ref black card, update it after available, have samsung memory and water block it.

 

It's a fully enclosed self-contained water cooled GPU. Interesting concept. Wonder if it works well? If the PCB is so abnormal that nobody makes a water block for it, leaving one stuck with the AIO that might end up being kind of sucky. Still way too much money. Probably won't perform any better than a K|INGP|N 2080 Ti and costs just as much.

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They are finally here!

 

Still setting things up on the new board, but it's looking promising:

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19232282

The best part is that I finally get to enjoy my own P870TM-RTX Mod that took the entire Christmas holidays to make.

We really have to do something about that 2100Mhz limit though...
I decided to give up my 1080 and invest it into keeping the borrowed 2080...hope we can fix NVIDIA's clock-block.

 

Second try
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/35858146

 

Having an issue here and hope someone can help. My FTW3 card refuses to flash any vBIOS that isn't a FTW3 vBIOS. I get to the part about overriding the board ID and then the screen will simply turn off and I hit Y. Even saving the stock vBIOS is causing this issue and upon reboot it did in fact save the vbios file as named. I've redownloaded nvflash, created a new folder everthing. On my old XC card it worked perfectly and would flash any vBIOS. I have a suspicion this is a newer firmware or vbios that won't allow flashing/locked by Nvidia with some new tricks.

Anyone have any ideas? @Mr. Fox @Prema @iunlock @Papusan Anyone? Aside from opening the card up and using the programmer I'm pretty stumped why this card is refusing to flash anything. It has a dual bios switch and I tried both switches. Not worried about bricking since I have a way back in with the alternate switch.

Edit: It started immediately after installing my new FTW3 into my system. I had just used it prior to shut down to flash my old XC card back to stock for prep for sale. I have to imagine this is another green goblin ****blockin' situation and it pisses me off.

 

Only thing I can think of, probably a permissions problem. if you are using Windows 10, make sure you are not running NVFLASH as admin. Do not use an elevated command window and see if that works. Something about the cancer feces OS plays rump ranger with admin rights. I had this happen to me once before and rebooting into Windows 7 stopped all of the emo retard nonsense and I was able to flash normally.

 

Like what @Mr. Fox said... it sounds like a permissions issue. Also, make sure that all the files are in the same folder.

 

Thanks for the help gents but no go on anything. I ripped apart the tower and installed the old XC card for verification.

 

Seems safe mode with CMD print was the only way to get it to flash normally. Something is jacked up but I’ll deal with that later I guess. Seems it’s working this way.

 

Yes, that certainly sounds like a borked permissions issue with Windoze OS X since it works in Safe Mode.

 

Ok I can't mess with this vBIOS, @Mr. Fox @iunlock @Johnksss maybe you guys will have more fun. This MF'er is pulling 500w++ at 1106mV. It's not the voltage that scares me, its the power. What is the limit of a PCI-E cable again?

https://xdevs.com/doc/_PC_HW/EVGA/E200/bios/xocrtxbios.zip

PW: ipromisenottoRMAthiscard

 

@Johnksss

Don't think that we didn't see this:

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19234710

How dare you are uploading something so close but below 35K...getting lazy in your old days eh?